9 hours ago, Jaded said:

He would never go to Hawthorn because Clarko doesn’t tolerance soft fools. Which is why he’s won 4 flags and Watts will never win even 1. 

If he didn't like Neeldy, imagine him on the end of a bake from Clarko!

10 hours ago, Jaded said:

He would never go to Hawthorn because Clarko doesn’t tolerance soft fools. Which is why he’s won 4 flags and Watts will never win even 1. 

I would in sentiment agree with you but then why did Hawthorn recruit Wingard ????

1 hour ago, doc roet said:

I thought he would have retired after being delisted at Melbourne.

I may be wrong but why would a bloke who seeming is timid put his hand up again for more 

$$$

1 hour ago, dl4e said:

I would in sentiment agree with you but then why did Hawthorn recruit Wingard ????

Wingard is a far better footballer than Watts ever was. Even if she is a bit soft. 

It’s hyperbolic nonsense to suggest Clarkson wouldn’t have played Watts. Like Roos and Goodwin (quality AFL coaches), he would have played Watts knowing his worst was still okay and his best would be great if he could correct the mindset. Sure, he’d have given up eventually (as Goodwin did), and it might have happened earlier, but Watts would have played a lot of AFL games in the meantime.

On 2/3/2019 at 1:11 PM, Ethan Tremblay said:

Not a good look, I agree. But it wasn’t cocaine and it’s not an illegal substance. 

A non-story really. 

Do you reckon that's the only time he's snorted powder? Didn't look like he was an amateur.

4 minutes ago, Nasher said:

It’s hyperbolic nonsense to suggest Clarkson wouldn’t have played Watts. Like Roos and Goodwin (quality AFL coaches), he would have played Watts knowing his worst was still okay and his best would be great if he could correct the mindset. Sure, he’d have given up eventually (as Goodwin did), and it might have happened earlier, but Watts would have played a lot of AFL games in the meantime.

Ryan Schoenmakers says you are correct.

As for the video, whether or not the substance was illegal, he is a complete and utter idiot firstly for doing that, and secondly for allowing it to be filmed. Why you would risk getting this type of publicity has me completely stumped. He’s not stupid, he must have known this might happen (whether it is warranted or not), especially after last time.

44 minutes ago, Nasher said:

It’s hyperbolic nonsense to suggest Clarkson wouldn’t have played Watts. Like Roos and Goodwin (quality AFL coaches), he would have played Watts knowing his worst was still okay and his best would be great if he could correct the mindset. Sure, he’d have given up eventually (as Goodwin did), and it might have happened earlier, but Watts would have played a lot of AFL games in the meantime.

Hawthorns been a top 4 club for over 10years.
Who do ya think Watts would have forced from the side?
As soon as Watts shirked contact and ducked his head in a marking contest that would've been it.
Clarkson would've traded him to us for a couple top10 picks and 800k a year.
Having said that.
I doubt Roos would've wanted him but Neeld would've snapped him up..

 

Edited February 8, 20196 yr by Fork 'em

2 minutes ago, Fork 'em said:

Hawthorns been a top 4 club for over 10years.
Who do ya think Watts would have forced from the side?
As soon as Watts shirked a contest and ducked his head in a marking contest that would've been it.
Clarkson would've traded him to us for a top5 pick and 800k a year.

It always disappoints me to see people turn on a player as many here have but I suppose for someone we placed so much hope in and then disappointed us it's an understandable if regrettable reaction.  I was one who supported him when he was with us but I'm pleased we traded him. 

But lets put this Hawthorn business to bed.  If Watts had been recruited to Hawthorn he would have been in one of the best cultures the AFL has produced coached by one of the best coaches and captained by one of the best captains.  He wouldn't have turned into the player he now is.  He wouldn't have had the hopes of a team resting on the shoulders of a teenager.  He would have been developed properly and when he came into the team he would have been surrounded by mature players and played in a winning culture playing an appropriate role with appropriate expectations.  And if you want an example of Clarkson understanding players strengths and coaching to them just look at Brad Hill.  Soft as butter but Clarkson used is attributes.  He would have done the same with Watts.

For all Watts is being criticised now he played some really good footy for us.  He was loyal when he probably shouldn't have been and I'd contend his dumping by us now means he finds footy without his mates just plain boring.

Footy has been pretty cruel to Watts.  When Watts played his 100th game the AFL media department put on a video of his worst moments.  When have they ever done that before for any other player? He has been the subject of more media attention than just about any other player in my memory.  He's done some dumb things no doubt and he's soft by AFL standards but he's probably a better human being than many other players and many here who are spitting bile at him.

It's time for people to move on and just accepting Jack for the person he is.  Sadly it won't happen.

Well he provided me with more WTF moments than highlights that's for sure.

 

1 hour ago, Nasher said:

As for the video, whether or not the substance was illegal, he is a complete and utter idiot firstly for doing that, and secondly for allowing it to be filmed. Why you would risk getting this type of publicity has me completely stumped. He’s not stupid, he must have known this might happen (whether it is warranted or not), especially after last time.

Not sure about you Nasher, but in my ""early days", I did many idiotic things, indeed, in some cases, shameful things under ""the influence"".  Many more than poor old Jack.

Okay I was not an AFL footballer, but I still did some stupid things that I regretted at the time and still carry a residual of that shame today particularly when I upset people that I cared for.

I don't think you can say that because Jack is a public figure he is a bigger idiot than the next person.  

It's more about stupid and sometimes dangerous behaviour that occurs under the influence.  

Perhaps, Jack should have had better awareness of the consequences of his behaviour but thats all one can conclude.  I suspect that he will be more concerned about the impact on his family and those close to him than what football clubs, media and people on the street think. 

 

 

6 hours ago, hemingway said:

Not sure about you Nasher, but in my ""early days", I did many idiotic things, indeed, in some cases, shameful things under ""the influence"".  Many more than poor old Jack.

Okay I was not an AFL footballer, but I still did some stupid things that I regretted at the time and still carry a residual of that shame today particularly when I upset people that I cared for.

I don't think you can say that because Jack is a public figure he is a bigger idiot than the next person.  

It's more about stupid and sometimes dangerous behaviour that occurs under the influence.  

Perhaps, Jack should have had better awareness of the consequences of his behaviour but thats all one can conclude.  I suspect that he will be more concerned about the impact on his family and those close to him than what football clubs, media and people on the street think. 

 

 

Of course he can say that. It's true.

A high profile footballer who gets plenty of social media training, as well as training around respect, responsibilty and substance abuse should be smart enough to avoid this behaviour, despite the white powder being legal or consent. As others have said, do you honestly think this is his first snort?

The "next person" usually doesn't get this training.

I'm not a wowser, seen and done plenty in my youth. Each to their own, but most of us grow up and move on. Jack Watts isn't in his "early days". He's a grown man, nearly 28, been around the block more than most blokes his age, but still acts like a spoilt teenager.

If he's embarrassed about his parents or sister seeing the clip, my guess is because it was degrading, irresponsible and immature.

What an idiot.

Edited February 8, 20196 yr by Moonshadow

1 hour ago, Moonshadow said:

Of course he can say that. It's true.

A high profile footballer who gets plenty of social media training, as well as training around respect, responsibilty and substance abuse should be smart enough to avoid this behaviour, despite the white powder being legal or consent. As others have said, do you honestly think this is his first snort?

The "next person" usually doesn't get this training.

I'm not a wowser, seen and done plenty in my youth. Each to their own, but most of us grow up and move on. Jack Watts isn't in his "early days". He's a grown man, nearly 28, been around the block more than most blokes his age, but still acts like a spoilt teenager.

If he's embarrassed about his parents or sister seeing the clip, my guess is because it was degrading, irresponsible and immature.

What an idiot.

All true, at 28 most have moved on.

Like others in the world of professional sport, he's a 28 year old living in a bubble. 

10 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Do you reckon that's the only time he's snorted powder? Didn't look like he was an amateur.

I’m quietly confident cocaine use amongst players is rife. Therefore, I wouldn’t be surprised if he has dabbled.

Edited February 8, 20196 yr by Ethan Tremblay

19 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I’m quietly confident cocaine use amongst players is rife. Therefore, I wouldn’t be surprised if he has dabbled.

Pardon my medical ignorance, but how long does it stay in their system in a detectable state? Ie, wouldn't it show up on random drug tests? Or is it a case of the mysterious 6 week hammy.... ?

13 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Pardon my medical ignorance, but how long does it stay in their system in a detectable state? Ie, wouldn't it show up on random drug tests? Or is it a case of the mysterious 6 week hammy.... ?

I imagine players would have to give a urine sample, based on this it would be detectable for about 2-4 days. 

If you’re a longtime or ‘chronic’ user, that’s when you claim mental health issues and fly overseas. 

Edited February 8, 20196 yr by Ethan Tremblay

Just now, Ethan Tremblay said:

I imagine players would have to give a urine sample, based on this it would be detectable for about 2-4 days. 

If you’re a longtime or ‘chronic’ user, that’s when you claim mental health issues and fly overseas. 

Or stay at the house of your club's GM of football?

5 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Or stay at the house of your club's GM of football?

Haha, exactly. 

The excuse of doing a hammy is reserved for getting out of playing in the AFLX. 

1 hour ago, Moonshadow said:

Or stay at the house of your club's GM of football?

Or retire, temporarily?

2 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I’m quietly confident cocaine use amongst players is rife. Therefore, I wouldn’t be surprised if he has dabbled.

dabbled ? 

Whatt, the Lipton jiggler.

19 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Do you reckon that's the only time he's snorted powder? Didn't look like he was an amateur.

If I said to a high school kid to snort a Whizz Fizz, they would know that;

A. You snort with your nose

B. You do so by breathing in in a sniffing style

Dont think you have to be an experienced coke head to know what to do.

19 hours ago, Fork 'em said:

Hawthorns been a top 4 club for over 10years.
Who do ya think Watts would have forced from the side?
As soon as Watts shirked contact and ducked his head in a marking contest that would've been it.
Clarkson would've traded him to us for a couple top10 picks and 800k a year.
Having said that.
I doubt Roos would've wanted him but Neeld would've snapped him up..

 

The last paragraph is laughable. Neepe would've "snapped him up"? Really?

Neeld had many, many faults. But I challenge you to provide examples of soft players that he picked up at all, let alone paying a premium for them (via trade).

20 minutes ago, The Chazz said:

If I said to a high school kid to snort a Whizz Fizz, they would know that;

A. You snort with your nose

B. You do so by breathing in in a sniffing style

Dont think you have to be an experienced coke head to know what to do.

What if you asked them to snort Wizz fizz off Hilda's [censored]?

Jack reminds me of that episode of Seinfeld where Kramer does karate with the 10 year old kids and acts like that's ok. Struggling to grow up.