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Farewell Jesse Hogan

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18 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Some big marks taken last night on the end of some ordinary disposal from both teams due to the pressure. Didn’t see any supporters blaming their respective midfielders.

Well the Tiger supporters should be blaming their mids.

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    20 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

    I have said previously the threat isn't Freo it's Meth Coast. Jesse's contract ends at a time which is perfect for them Kennedy will be done Le cras will be done and Natanui's wage will be significantly lower.

    I hate them but they are well run and any leaks from them are deliberate 

    yep and we would get pick 20 or thereabouts in return. Even if we keep him it would be overs from a dollar perspective.

    Oh so blind are those that do not see.

    Sign him or trade him this year.

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    Ship him out - we clearly don’t need talent like his judging by the first half at Optus.

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    3 minutes ago, Tim said:

    Ship him out - we clearly don’t need talent like his judging by the first half at Optus.

    Would be bloody handy out there today.

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    3 hours ago, Tim said:

    Ship him out - we clearly don’t need talent like his judging by the first half at Optus.

    Yeah, who needs a talented forward who could turn out to be the next Josh Kennedy. 

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    The one worry I have with Jesse is the feeling that he's going to be the super talented guy who breaks down every year and never lives up to his potential because of the never-ending rehab. I would love to know what our medical staff think about him.  It's just possible that two top ten picks could turn into a bargain for him.

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    10 hours ago, Redleg said:

    Yeah, who needs a talented forward who could turn out to be the next Josh Kennedy. 

    Or someone who might drop his head, play for frees, half hearted second efforts and go sookilala if it's not his day.

    No he doesn't do that all the time...but does often enough for some to take notice 

    Anyone thinking he was the difference yesterday is kidding themselves.

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    We could have had wayne carey and gary ablett snr in out forward line yesterday and still would have got pantsed. If the team is prone to shirking the hard stuff your forwards will never be the difference makers.

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    10 minutes ago, Ugottobekidding said:

    Hogan would have kicked 50 this year - he is a player who kicks goals each week. Tom Macdonald and Weiderman are not players who kick goals each week.

    Tom McDonald kicked 53 goals this year you clown.

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    2 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    Tom McDonald kicked 53 goals this year you clown.

    He get some big bags then next week a zero. Hogan gets goals every week. He js our best big forward by a mile.

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    15 minutes ago, Ugottobekidding said:

    Hogan would have kicked 50 this year - he is a player who kicks goals each week. Tom Macdonald and Weiderman are not players who kick goals each week.

    Before yesterday, McDonald kicked at least one goal in every game he played this year. 

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    Saying Hogan should be traded is stupid when clearly he is our best forward option by a mile. Not say Tom Mac isnt good or Weiderman wont be good... nust pointing out those saying we should trade him obviously dont look at the statistics.

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    2 hours ago, Ugottobekidding said:

    Saying Hogan should be traded is stupid when clearly he is our best forward option by a mile. Not say Tom Mac isnt good or Weiderman wont be good... nust pointing out those saying we should trade him obviously dont look at the statistics.

    maybe you might want to study those same statistics closer :)

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    5 hours ago, beelzebub said:

    Or someone who might drop his head, play for frees, half hearted second efforts and go sookilala if it's not his day.

    No he doesn't do that all the time...but does often enough for some to take notice 

    Anyone thinking he was the difference yesterday is kidding themselves.

    He wouldn't have been the difference clearly, but he played better yesterday than our 2 key forwards and for that matter our 2 key backs and he wasn't even on the ground.

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    16 hours ago, Redleg said:

    Yeah, who needs a talented forward who could turn out to be the next Josh Kennedy. 

    this is an embarassing comment. josh kennedy is a coleman medalist that excels in defensive pressure. Hogan is one of the worst in the comp for his pressure. If tom mcdonald couldn't have an impact in yesterdays game, no chance hogan wouldve gone near it. 

     

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    19 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

    this is an embarassing comment. josh kennedy is a coleman medalist that excels in defensive pressure. Hogan is one of the worst in the comp for his pressure. If tom mcdonald couldn't have an impact in yesterdays game, no chance hogan wouldve gone near it. 

     

    Jesse Hogan

    Born:12-Feb-1995 (Debut:20y 51d Last:23y 181d)

    Height:195 cm Weight:100 kg

     

    Year   Team   #   GM   W-D-L   KI   MK   HB   DI   GL   BH   HO   TK   RB   IF   CL   CG   FF   FA   BR   CP   UP   CM   MI   1%   BO   GA  
    Totals 71 32-0-39 685 459 393 1078 152 81 13 110 17 174 20 132 81 37 14 458 629 124 183 87 5 44
    Averages 17.75 45.07% 9.65 6.46 5.54 15.18 2.14 1.14 0.18 1.55 0.24 2.45 0.28 1.86 1.14 0.52 0.20 6.45 8.86 1.75 2.58 1.23 0.07 0.62
    2015 Melbourne 1 20 6-0-14 178 134 83 261 44 19   25 1 45 5 20 17 6 5 118 139 47 52 22 1 12
    2016 Melbourne 1 21 9-0-12 206 149 104 310 41 33 4 29 8 47 1 39 19 10 6 123 189 43 63 24 3 12
    2017 Melbourne 1 10 5-0-5 91 51 51 142 20 6   15 2 26 3 19 9 5 3 55 87 10 21 9 1 6
    2018 Melbourne 1 20 12-0-8 210 125 155 365 47 23 9 41 6 56 11 54 36 16   162 214 24 47 32   14

     

     

    Josh Kennedy

    Born:25-Aug-1987 (Debut:18y 255d Last:31y 28d)

    Height:196 cm Weight:103 kg

     

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    Year   Team   #   GM   W-D-L   KI   MK   HB   DI   GL   BH   HO   TK   RB   IF   CL   CG   FF   FA   BR   CP   UP   CM   MI   1%   BO   GA  
    Totals 220 112-2-106 1887 1296 651 2538 559 306 52 519 15 486 38 467 254 227 69 1190 1370 323 591 259 15 119
    Averages 16.92 51.36% 8.58 5.89 2.96 11.54 2.54 1.39 0.24 2.36 0.07 2.21 0.17 2.12 1.15 1.03 0.33 5.41 6.23 1.47 2.69 1.18 0.07 0.54
    2006 Carlton 5 9 1-1-7 36 32 16 52 5 4 1 11   15 1 17 7 8   25 30 5 8 3   1
    2007 Carlton 5 13 2-0-11 57 50 40 97 6 5 40 27 4 16 6 19 10 9   40 55 7 6 15 1  
    2008 West Coast 17 7 1-0-6 55 46 34 89 7 4 1 7   19 2 12 9 5   34 55 9 6 7   4
    2009 West Coast 17 16 6-0-10 150 110 52 202 31 17 2 28 2 40 4 35 16 13   76 128 23 32 23 1 9
    2010 West Coast 17 22 4-0-18 199 130 61 260 41 19 1 60 1 69 3 58 25 27 3 108 149 28 34 30 3 15
    2011 West Coast 17 23 16-0-7 208 144 62 270 59 38   70   69 4 55 25 32 4 150 125 51 65 42 3 15
    2012 West Coast 17 9 7-0-2 58 43 16 74 18 14   13   13 1 16 7 11 3 39 35 14 24 7 1 1
    2013 West Coast 17 21 8-0-13 210 143 63 273 60 23 1 69 2 60 1 44 26 21 6 137 137 34 62 16 1 17
    2014 West Coast 17 20 10-0-10 175 114 51 226 61 33   62 1 33 6 46 23 26 11 90 131 17 56 19 1 10
    2015 West Coast 17 25 18-1-6 241 168 92 333 80 55   52 1 60 5 44 28 20 12 154 184 39 101 28 3 18
    2016 West Coast 17 23 16-0-7 229 148 71 300 82 37 1 69 3 45 4 52 34 26 17 151 157 42 87 30 1 15
    2017 West Coast 17 19 11-0-8 166 111 59 225 69 39 5 27   27   32 24 18 13 112 111 34 72 28   10
    2018 West Coast 17 13 12-0-1 103 57 34 137 40 18   24 1 20 1 37 20 11   74 73 20 38 11   4

     

    Jesse Hogan 152 goals in his first 4 years in 71 games.

    Josh Kennedy 90 goals in his first 5 years in the AFL in 67 games. 

    Jesse averaged 50% more disposals in those games as well.

    I think you are the one that needs to feel really embarrassed. Also I was rubbishing the get rid of Hogan thread. I never said he would have made a difference yesterday, so don't change the meaning of my post.

    I said he could be our Josh Kennedy and people want to get rid of him. He is on better track than Josh was at the same stage.

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    On 8/13/2018 at 10:52 AM, Bombay Airconditioning said:

    Round, opponent, score, disposals, marks

    Round 1 :  Geelong 3.0, 16 & 3

    Round 2 : Brisbane 5.1, 22 & 9

    Round 3 : North 1.2, 26 & 7

    Round 4 : HAWKS 1.1, 24 & 3

    Round 5 : TIGERS 2.2, 22 & 9

    Round 6 : Bombers 2.1, 8 & 5

    Round 7 : St.Kilda 3.1, 25 & 7

    Round 8 : Suns 3.0, 22 & 8

    Round 9 : Carlton 1.1, 15 & 6

    Round 10 : Crows 5.0, 20 & 11

    Round 11: Bulldogs 5.1, 19 & 10

    Its at this point here people were saying he’s in AA form. 10 goals 1 from his last 2 games with a 31 for the year so far. The stage was set for something special on QB, and we got this....

    Round 12 : PIES 0.1, 17 & 3

    Round 13 : Bye

    No need to panic it was just a one off, or was it....

    Round 14 : PORT 0.1, 12 & 2

    Round 15 : Saints 3.2, 15 & 4

    Round 16 : Freo 2.3 19 & 7

    Round 17 : Bulldogs 4.1, 18 & 9

    More goals against weaker clubs and all is forgotten again. Hold on....

    Round 18 : GEELONG 1.1, 14 & 4

    Rd 19 : Crows 1.0, 10 & 4

    After yesterday’ loss many are now saying he’s been playing injured for weeks, so to help him recover the gets him to line up against the hapless Suns.

    Round 20 : Suns 4.1, 22 & 10

    Not bad for someone playing injured. But then again as some have already alluded to, a lot of players are carrying injuries this time of year, it all depends on whether or not it suits your narrative.

    Round 21 : SWANS  1.3, 19 & 4

    The games where the opponents names are in capitals are games where he needed to deliver. You could go into it more and look at how many of those behinds were easy misses, or like yesterday his disposal efficiency which was yesterday quite low. We are yet to play the Giants or the Eagles but looking at that the games against the other 5 top 8 sides and Geelong who are currently 9th there is a clear trend, and that is he goes missing in big games. Again, he’s not the player many thought he was going to become. 

    The club should be open to trading him but we don’t need more kids, line up and a ready made player and make it a three way trade.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Just reposting this in the hope some others might get some context on Hogan, his goals for the year and his inability this year to influence certain games. 

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    2 hours ago, Redleg said:

    Jesse Hogan

    Born:12-Feb-1995 (Debut:20y 51d Last:23y 181d)

    Height:195 cm Weight:100 kg

     

    Year   Team   #   GM   W-D-L   KI   MK   HB   DI   GL   BH   HO   TK   RB   IF   CL   CG   FF   FA   BR   CP   UP   CM   MI   1%   BO   GA  
    Totals 71 32-0-39 685 459 393 1078 152 81 13 110 17 174 20 132 81 37 14 458 629 124 183 87 5 44
    Averages 17.75 45.07% 9.65 6.46 5.54 15.18 2.14 1.14 0.18 1.55 0.24 2.45 0.28 1.86 1.14 0.52 0.20 6.45 8.86 1.75 2.58 1.23 0.07 0.62
    2015 Melbourne 1 20 6-0-14 178 134 83 261 44 19   25 1 45 5 20 17 6 5 118 139 47 52 22 1 12
    2016 Melbourne 1 21 9-0-12 206 149 104 310 41 33 4 29 8 47 1 39 19 10 6 123 189 43 63 24 3 12
    2017 Melbourne 1 10 5-0-5 91 51 51 142 20 6   15 2 26 3 19 9 5 3 55 87 10 21 9 1 6
    2018 Melbourne 1 20 12-0-8 210 125 155 365 47 23 9 41 6 56 11 54 36 16   162 214 24 47 32   14

     

     

    Josh Kennedy

    Born:25-Aug-1987 (Debut:18y 255d Last:31y 28d)

    Height:196 cm Weight:103 kg

     

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    Year   Team   #   GM   W-D-L   KI   MK   HB   DI   GL   BH   HO   TK   RB   IF   CL   CG   FF   FA   BR   CP   UP   CM   MI   1%   BO   GA  
    Totals 220 112-2-106 1887 1296 651 2538 559 306 52 519 15 486 38 467 254 227 69 1190 1370 323 591 259 15 119
    Averages 16.92 51.36% 8.58 5.89 2.96 11.54 2.54 1.39 0.24 2.36 0.07 2.21 0.17 2.12 1.15 1.03 0.33 5.41 6.23 1.47 2.69 1.18 0.07 0.54
    2006 Carlton 5 9 1-1-7 36 32 16 52 5 4 1 11   15 1 17 7 8   25 30 5 8 3   1
    2007 Carlton 5 13 2-0-11 57 50 40 97 6 5 40 27 4 16 6 19 10 9   40 55 7 6 15 1  
    2008 West Coast 17 7 1-0-6 55 46 34 89 7 4 1 7   19 2 12 9 5   34 55 9 6 7   4
    2009 West Coast 17 16 6-0-10 150 110 52 202 31 17 2 28 2 40 4 35 16 13   76 128 23 32 23 1 9
    2010 West Coast 17 22 4-0-18 199 130 61 260 41 19 1 60 1 69 3 58 25 27 3 108 149 28 34 30 3 15
    2011 West Coast 17 23 16-0-7 208 144 62 270 59 38   70   69 4 55 25 32 4 150 125 51 65 42 3 15
    2012 West Coast 17 9 7-0-2 58 43 16 74 18 14   13   13 1 16 7 11 3 39 35 14 24 7 1 1
    2013 West Coast 17 21 8-0-13 210 143 63 273 60 23 1 69 2 60 1 44 26 21 6 137 137 34 62 16 1 17
    2014 West Coast 17 20 10-0-10 175 114 51 226 61 33   62 1 33 6 46 23 26 11 90 131 17 56 19 1 10
    2015 West Coast 17 25 18-1-6 241 168 92 333 80 55   52 1 60 5 44 28 20 12 154 184 39 101 28 3 18
    2016 West Coast 17 23 16-0-7 229 148 71 300 82 37 1 69 3 45 4 52 34 26 17 151 157 42 87 30 1 15
    2017 West Coast 17 19 11-0-8 166 111 59 225 69 39 5 27   27   32 24 18 13 112 111 34 72 28   10
    2018 West Coast 17 13 12-0-1 103 57 34 137 40 18   24 1 20 1 37 20 11   74 73 20 38 11   4

     

    Jesse Hogan 152 goals in his first 4 years in 71 games.

    Josh Kennedy 90 goals in his first 5 years in the AFL in 67 games. 

    Jesse averaged 50% more disposals in those games as well.

    I think you are the one that needs to feel really embarrassed. Also I was rubbishing the get rid of Hogan thread. I never said he would have made a difference yesterday, so don't change the meaning of my post.

    I said he could be our Josh Kennedy and people want to get rid of him. He is on better track than Josh was at the same stage.

    you can show me all the stats in the world. im sure you couldve shown similar stats to prove watts was decent.

    at the end of the day he offers 0 forward pressure. 0! he is not a great kick for goal and is mentally weak. no surprise he was no loss in finals and he is only best 22 if he fixes his attitude.

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    1 hour ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

    Just reposting this in the hope some others might get some context on Hogan, his goals for the year and his inability this year to influence certain games. 

    Thankyou...its valuable context.

    I dont think anyone really thinks the lad isnt talented. It's a very one sided extrapolation to say he'll be as good as Kennedy.

    That said it would not surprise me if WCE made a play for him

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    1 hour ago, beelzebub said:

    Thankyou...its valuable context.

    I dont think anyone really thinks the lad isnt talented. It's a very one sided extrapolation to say he'll be as good as Kennedy.

    That said it would not surprise me if WCE made a play for him

    People need to quote posters correctly. I said he COULD  become our Kennedy not that he is. 

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    1 hour ago, Dr.D said:

    you can show me all the stats in the world. im sure you couldve shown similar stats to prove watts was decent.

    at the end of the day he offers 0 forward pressure. 0! he is not a great kick for goal and is mentally weak. no surprise he was no loss in finals and he is only best 22 if he fixes his attitude.

    I’ve shown you he has kicked 60 more goals in the same games as Kennedy and you dismiss it as just a stat. Then you say  stats could show Watts was decent. Unbelievable. 

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    Tom McDonald. 20 games for 47 tackles.

    Jesse Hogan. 20 games for 41 tackles.

    Those 6 extra tackles must have been absolute bone crushers.

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