Farewell Jesse Hogan

[John Demonic 5,870]

6 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Why does everyone accept that GCS will get compensation pick 3/4 next year? What if they finish 9th and the bottom 8 sides lose free agents? Their fist pick could be around 17. They have no way of knowing what the compensation may be. 11 this year could be better than the unknown.

They won 1 from their last 17 matches and then just lost their Full forward and full back, how can they possibly finish higher than the bottom 4? Pick 3 next year is just about locked in. 

Edit: They also have the same percentage as 1995 Fitzroy.

Edited October 11, 2018 by johndemonic

[DTJ 95]

A number of commentators undervaluing Jesse but not articulating why.

"I just don't think he's worth 2 first round picks."

That doesn't stack up to his output and the price paid to get him (He would have been top 2 in his draft year). He hasn't gone backwards.

It's starting to really [censored] me, if they're going to say something stupid like Jesse is only worth 5 or 5 and a second round while May is meant to go for 5 - explain why you're discounting Jesse so much! 

Edited October 11, 2018 by DTJ
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[TheoX 1,222]

5 for May would be ridiculous overs. Get him next year for nothing, KPB isn't even a pressing need. 5 and 11 for Hogan not enough. We paid more for him than that before he was proven.

Edited October 11, 2018 by TheoX

[nosoupforme 3,085]

If we get 5 and 11 for Hogan  or  maybe 5 and 23 and another pick what ever it may be. Let GC come to us with the deal we have the time as it is on our side. If it doesn't eventuate we go into the Draft and chase the best kids.

We have OMac, Frosty and Lever to come back Start rating them they will do the job.

May is 27 not 23 and has a history of suspensions.

He is no world beater.

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[TheoX 1,222]

May's 27? Jeebus he's only got a few good years left

[Demon Spofforth 289]

19 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

 

wow nice work by Freo and very helpful to our cause

Port still have 6 & 10 which possibly gets them 2 of highly rated SA prospects Lukosius, Rankine, Rozee and Hately.

That's win-win trading

Port might get 7 from the Doggies for Wingard. Reckon they would then go hard at GC to swap 6, 7 and 10 for 2 and 3 to ensure they get those SA kids.

[DTJ 95]

Really, frack this fiasco. Keep Hogan, pick up May when he's a free agent and back in our backline to improve when Lever is back.

[—coach— 3,496]

Demonland forum a week ago: get pick 5+6 from freo for hogan, give pick 6 to GC for May... “sounds fair”.

Demonland forum today: get pick 5+11 from freo for hogan give 5 to GC for May... “THATS MASSIVE OVERS I WOULD BE LIVID IF THEY DID THAT”

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Edited October 11, 2018 by —coach—

[rpfc 28,832]

I care about what we finish with - if we get May with ND5 that’s fine if we can get back in the draft a bit more - we have a list to fill out.

[Demonland 73,266]

5 minutes ago, DTJ said:

A number of commentators undervaluing Jesse but not articulating why.

"I just don't think he's worth 2 first round pick."

That doesn't stack up to his output and the price paid to get him (He would have been top 2 in his draft year). He hasn't gone backwards.

It's starting to really [censored] me, if they're going to say something stupid like Jesse is only worth 5 or 5 and a second round while May is meant to go for 5 - explain why you're discounting Jesse so much! 

They are the same commentators that will denigrate the Demons if they don't get 2 first rounders for Jesse once the trade period is over.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

If we get Pick 5 and 11, I'd be happy to trade 5 for May.  You would rather do 11, but I doubt Gold Coast takes that.  

Then we have May and we can go to the draft with Pick 11 to snare a really good player.  I doubt we do any better than that, but I'm not sure we could anyway.

[red and blue forever 1,056]

1 minute ago, —coach— said:

Demonland forum a week ago: get pick 5+6 from freo for hogan, give pick 6 to GC for May... “sounds fair”.

Demonland forum today: get pick 5+11 from freo for hogan give 5 to GC for May... “THATS MASSIVE OVERS I WOULD BE LIVID IF THEY DID THAT”

?‍♂️?‍♂️?‍♂️?‍♂️?‍♂️

Yes, because we would feel comfortable giving pick 5 if we still have 6

 

not if we have some pick 11 or later

[Demonland 73,266]

Just now, Wiseblood said:

If we get Pick 5 and 11, I'd be happy to trade 5 for May.  You would rather do 11, but I doubt Gold Coast takes that.  

Then we have May and we can go to the draft with Pick 11 to snare a really good player.  I doubt we do any better than that, but I'm not sure we could anyway.

I think the only way they will accept 11 is if we bundle in a player like Tyson. Yeah I know Tyson doesn't want to go but ...

[red and blue forever 1,056]

1 minute ago, Wiseblood said:

If we get Pick 5 and 11, I'd be happy to trade 5 for May.  You would rather do 11, but I doubt Gold Coast takes that.  

Then we have May and we can go to the draft with Pick 11 to snare a really good player.  I doubt we do any better than that, but I'm not sure we could anyway.

I still think Gold Coast will take 11 + sweeteners (player or 2nd round pick.)

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Just now, Demonland said:

I think the only way they will accept 11 is if we bundle in a player like Tyson. Yeah I know Tyson doesn't want to go but ...

You may be right.  I can see other picks being involved in the deal as well.  Possibly May and one of the picks they got from the Lions for Pick 11, or something along those lines.

[ManDee 7,236]

4 minutes ago, johndemonic said:

They won 1 from their last 17 matches and then just lost their Full forward and full back, how can they possibly finish higher than the bottom 4? Pick 3 next year is just about locked in. 

Edit: They also have the same percentage as 1995 Fitzroy.

Full back bad influence (according to some) full forward injured, Carlton could totally implode and ask for and receive priority picks. They won 1 less game than Stkilda so 15 is a very reasonable guess. Bris- Stk - Carlton lose free agents then GCS could get pick 8 as compo. They could have a good year other sides may crash. 3/4 is likely compensation but in no way is it a lock.

[olisik 4,060]

if we lose hogan and gain May then our list has gone backwards this trade period.

[red and blue forever 1,056]

what if we told Kent, it is Gold Coast or nowhere???? (Part of the pick 11 + May trade)

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Just now, red and blue forever said:

I still think Gold Coast will take 11 + sweeteners (player or 2nd round pick.)

Depends if they have any interest in the players we are happy to send to them.  They won't take our scraps and Pick 11, they would ask for someone who is probably going to be in their best 22 to go with that pick.  Not sure who we would give up.

[Moonshadow 17,678]

11 will go for Lobb

[Wiseblood 24,637]

2 minutes ago, olisik said:

if we lose hogan and gain May then our list has gone backwards this trade period.

You can feel that way now, but you can't be definitive on that.  What if, off the back of the trade, we win a flag in the next 2 years?  That makes the trade a massive win on all fronts.  You can't judge it now.

[Mondê 525]

I get the sense that the best we can hope for is Pick 5 + Future 1st rounder.

Jesse needs to make up his mind so we can focus on other ways to improve our list. 

[Deesprate 1,324]

Seriously Freo have been undermining one of our key players in Hogan for years. Now they have a chance to get him they want under or get severe stage fright. Talk about indecisive. You can build a whole forward line around Hogan. I for one hope they stuff him around and he sign a long term deal with Dees that see him full forward in a Dees premiership. I seriously hope this trade fall over to mention May in the same sentence is laughable.

[Ted Lasso 19,549]

We need to be really firm with the dockers and back it up. If the deal gets any worse than 5&11 I think it may be time to say sorry Jesse the dockers won’t play ball. 

 

[—coach— 3,496]

2 minutes ago, red and blue forever said:

Yes, because we would feel comfortable giving pick 5 if we still have 6

 

not if we have some pick 11 or later

So it has nothing to do with what May is worth, rather what we feel comfortable with? Like in the castle “it’s the vibe of the thing”?

Strange way of looking at it from my perspective, but just my opinion. Each to their own I guess.

Go Dees!