7 hours ago, Demon from Sydney said:

Hmmmm Gawn yes but Oliver no way in my eyes.He is good but certainly not top 10

Oliver is in the top 5 for afl player ratings, top 10 SuperCoach, top 10 afl coaches association and probably top 10 in the Brownlow in a year he's been playing with 2 busted shoulders. He is on track to be ranked 1-3 in the afl player ratings if his form continues and he keeps relatively injury free.

45 minutes ago, Skuit said:

Cheers Faulty. I told my boss to go [censored] himself this week and ended up with a far better contract - because he apparently dug my new fired-up emotional side (which is huge coming from a Dutchman). I must be on a roll - Skuit 2.0. Hopefully the MFC will adopt the same posture. 

I genuinely believe based on limited footage and no real clue that our team would be significantly better off with Rankine rather than Hogan in the long-run. As such, i would take a straight swap right now, all things being equal. 

I don't however expect we'll get 4 & 5 for Hogan and don't think it's a reasonable market expectation despite what we're giving up. I currently think it's probably likely to be 4 and something; maybe a player or a next year first, reasonably expected to be in the top five range.  

If we can however wriggle our way into the next pick above the Saints following Carlton (surely Walsh) and GC (which I think will already have 2 and 3 through natural and compo picks?) by handing GC an 'overs' deal of both our two next year firsts for example  - Freo's 2ish and our 18ish (which can then be on-traded now) for May and KK, in exchange for a draft 'understanding', then I think we come out way on top. 

GC can take both Kings and a potentially a top-line mid with some additional horse-trading, while we get Rankine, May and KK for Hogan and pick 18ish.  Again. I'm certain we've manipulated draft outcomes with GC in the past and have good trading relations. 

 

I am in the "viewed in totality", and "pragmatist"groups when it comes to trading.

I see that's the way you view it also by looking at it like this.

I would put my money on the Dees selecting ready to go players over kids, but if we choose to keep an early draft pick in our current situation, I will be bloody excited, because the footy gurus must regard him as something quite special.

 

Does this kid defend, or is he a one way runner?

Tim Gossage just said Hogan adamantly doesn't want to go to West Coast.....(and West Coast don't know why)

9 hours ago, qwerty7 said:

Well, I’ll be happy to be proven wrong, but looks like Hogan is out the door. Shame because he’s such a talent and it would have been nice to keep the group that saw the beginning of our rise together.

But, it is what it is, and now it’s time to look at how we can maximise this to our advantage. 

Personally, I see Freo giving us their picks 4 and 5 as the most appropriate compensation, but they may give us 5 and 10.

If we are to receive picks 4 and 5, trade pick 5 to GC for May + KK and then use pick 4 in the draft to secure Izak Rankine. I saw someone post earlier that Port are right into him, but if the Hogan deal is done, we should be too. The kid looks a gun - speedy, agile, and a regular feature in the highlight reel.

check out these highlights from his 2017 and 2018 seasons. I saw on his Instagram he likes to sing as well - he can do duets with Robbo.

 

Freak talent this boy.

NOW @TimGossage on Jesse Hogan's tour of Fremantle

"He was there for four hours" 

#NABTradeRadio

12 hours ago, picket fence said:

Ah Cough Cough DUSTY MARTIN ?? No Martin = Toothless Tiges!!

And there inlies the problem.

A team should never be defined by one player. I don't want us Jesse ( or anyone ) centric .

25 minutes ago, SFebes said:

Tim Gossage just said Hogan adamantly doesn't want to go to West Coast.....(and West Coast don't know why)

Didn’t Karl Langdon say not five days ago that he was “100% adamant  Hogan would be staying st Melbourne” coz he bumped into Hogan’s Mum and got the inside goss?

Same thing here I reckon. Empty goss from numpty Gossage. These journos generally have as little idea as anyone else. Gotta sell papers and clicks to stay relevant.

What we do know as fact is West Coast have publicity declared their interest. That’s on the record.

 

Edited October 4, 20186 yr by EnterTheDragon

3 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

Didn’t Karl Langdon say not five days ago that he was “100% adamant  Hogan would be staying st Melbourne” coz he bumped into Hogan’s Mum and got the inside goss?

Same thing here I reckon. Empty goss from numpty Gossage. They have as little idea as anyone else.

 

Yes Karl did say that mate, which was strange as he said Jesses mum enjoys flying to Melb a few times a year, when she actually lives in Victoria anyway. To my knowledge, there are a fair bunch of incompetent journos in WA from what I've seen over the years.

Edited October 4, 20186 yr by SFebes

32 minutes ago, SFebes said:

Tim Gossage just said Hogan adamantly doesn't want to go to West Coast.....(and West Coast don't know why)

No pressure to kick any goals at Freo, as it’s not the game plan?

1 minute ago, Jaded said:

No pressure to kick any goals at Freo, as it’s not the game plan?

If he thought Melbournes delivery was poor, wait until he gets to a Neale-less Freo.

Roll up roll up ...the circus is in town

36 minutes ago, SFebes said:

Tim Gossage just said Hogan adamantly doesn't want to go to West Coast.....(and West Coast don't know why)

If true it is odd that Hogan would exclude WCE entirely.  One wonders why he would be so fixated on Freo (barracking for them in is youth seems a flimsy reason).

Given he wants to return to WA one would think he looks at the potential for football success and considers all options.  From afar, it seems WCE have it over Freo on and off the field.  A strange cat, is Jesse.

2 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

If true it is odd that Hogan would exclude WCE entirely.  One wonders why he would be so fixated on Freo (barracking for them in is youth seems a flimsy reason).

Given he wants to return to WA one would think he looks at the potential for football success and considers all options.  From afar, it seems WCE have it over Freo on and off the field.  A strange cat, is Jesse.

Because Frem have been in his ear all year, and for many years, he probably has built some attachment to them. Also Jesse was a Crows supporter as a kid. He is strange, his interviews are weird, I have always felt he unattached to everyone and everything.

4 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

If true it is odd that Hogan would exclude WCE entirely.  One wonders why he would be so fixated on Freo (barracking for them in is youth seems a flimsy reason).

Given he wants to return to WA one would think he looks at the potential for football success and considers all options.  From afar, it seems WCE have it over Freo on and off the field.  A strange cat, is Jesse.

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2 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

If true it is odd that Hogan would exclude WCE entirely.  One wonders why he would be so fixated on Freo (barracking for them in is youth seems a flimsy reason).

Given he wants to return to WA one would think he looks at the potential for football success and considers all options.  From afar, it seems WCE have it over Freo on and off the field.  A strange cat, is Jesse.

Barracking for them as a youth is an especially flimsy reason when he barracked for Adelaide as a youth.

I’ve said previously that I thought this move was 50/50 go home/go to Freo, who have been courting him since he came on the scene. I would guess (and it is only a guess) he doesn’t want West Coast because they haven’t spent the last 6 years trying to lure him. Or at least, not to the same extent.

7 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

If true it is odd that Hogan would exclude WCE entirely.  One wonders why he would be so fixated on Freo (barracking for them in is youth seems a flimsy reason).

Given he wants to return to WA one would think he looks at the potential for football success and considers all options.  From afar, it seems WCE have it over Freo on and off the field.  A strange cat, is Jesse.

Maybe he thinks he may not get a game at WC. Big fish in the small pond syndrome. Yep, feel free to snipe, but frankly i’m A bit over the bloke

47 minutes ago, SFebes said:

Tim Gossage just said Hogan adamantly doesn't want to go to West Coast.....(and West Coast don't know why)

1. He's terrified of the Eagles mascot. But he thinks the Freo mascot seems like a top bloke.

2. At West Coast, they laugh at people who smoke cigarettes. That's what your grandparents smoke.

3. He can't convince the Eagles' players that he's not actually an "east coast guy".

4. He's hoping at Freo, they'll let him drive a real ship.

 

1 minute ago, Mazer Rackham said:

1. He's terrified of the Eagles mascot. But he thinks the Freo mascot seems like a top bloke.

2. At West Coast, they laugh at people who smoke cigarettes. That's what your grandparents smoke.

3. He can't convince the Eagles' players that he's not actually an "east coast guy".

4. He's hoping at Freo, they'll let him drive a real ship.

 

5. He's petrified Auzzie will swoop down and mess his hair up before games

13 minutes ago, SFebes said:

Because Frem have been in his ear all year, and for many years, he probably has built some attachment to them. Also Jesse was a Crows supporter as a kid. He is strange, his interviews are weird, I have always felt he unattached to everyone and everything.

 

11 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Barracking for them as a youth is an especially flimsy reason when he barracked for Adelaide as a youth.

I’ve said previously that I thought this move was 50/50 go home/go to Freo, who have been courting him since he came on the scene. I would guess (and it is only a guess) he doesn’t want West Coast because they haven’t spent the last 6 years trying to lure him. Or at least, not to the same extent.

 

I get all that.  Being chased by Freo for a long time is certainly a consideration but does he want football success or not?  He has spent 6 years at a struggling club and is facing something similar at Freo.  It will be difficult to play his best football at a club that is rebuilding.

I think we are about to find out where football success really sits in Jesse's life.  Maybe he just wants to play with his mates at Freo.  Whatever makes him happy, I guess. 

 

As an aside, I keep reading he was a Crows supporter but Wikipedia, which is not always right, says he was born and raised in Perth.

Edited October 4, 20186 yr by Lucifer's Hero

2 minutes ago, SFebes said:

5. He's petrified Auzzie will swoop down and mess his hair up before games

Or worse!!!

4 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

 

 

I get all that.  Being chased by Freo for a long time is certainly a consideration but does he want football success or not?  He has spent 6 years at a struggling club and is facing something similar at Freo.  It will be difficult to play his best football at a club that is rebuilding.

I think we are about to find out where football success really sits in Jesse's life.  Maybe he just wants to play with his mates at Freo.  Whatever makes him happy, I guess. 

 

As an aside, I keep reading he was a Crows supporter but Wikipedia, which is not always right, says he was born and raised in Perth.

He was born and raised in Perth, but he definitely barracked for Adelaide.

56 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

NOW @TimGossage on Jesse Hogan's tour of Fremantle

"He was there for four hours" 

#NABTradeRadio

Live scenes at Freo

Either Mahoney and Co. have a whole lot of players agreeing to come to us or this trade period may be viewed as a total balls up. We are going to have 10 players out the door, all of whom played roles in season 2018, and so far the only players we look set to get are Preuss, May, KK. With the exception of KK, I am not sure any of these inclusions address our lack of midfield pace and speed. There must be something brewing. I sure hope there is because we are losing a forward and without Pedo we have no pinch hitter. We lose the experience of Vince. We lose the hardness of Vanders through the midfield and we lose the butcher skills of Tyson. It’ll all play out, I am just slightly concerned about the breaking up of a list that just got into a preliminary final. I know some will say a lot of these players are fringe, but each contributed something in 2018. In Hogan’s case, 47 goals. Kent a match winning performance in the west. We could keep going. This turnover is a risk and I hope it’s been well calculated 

I’d say that this is about dollars, personal issues/preferences and the fact that Melbourne are not begging him to stay. Jesse has been through a lot of [censored] over the past couple of years which may have changed his outlook on life and footy in general. I think all things being equal the club would like him to stay but the MFC has now transcended begging and cajoling certain individuals to commit. In short our window just opened and we can’t afford to [censored] around.

2 hours ago, SFebes said:

Tim Gossage just said Hogan adamantly doesn't want to go to West Coast.....(and West Coast don't know why)

Probably because he knows they don't have what we want in a fair trade (not that any compo would really make up for losing Jesse, imo).