Farewell Jesse Hogan

[Lucifers Hero 38,984]

8 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

ffs sake the fwit is wearing a Filthy jumper...how can ANYONE take him seriously 

The jumper must be some sort of prank - he barracks for Carlton (yes I know, not much better than Collingwood...)

[beelzebub 23,198]

Just now, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Jesse flying to Perth tonight

Ch 10 just showed an airport ambush by a journo and cameraman on Jesse

he has family and friends there apparently......?

[Redleg 40,207]

Was just thinking, if we could get 4/5 from Freo for Jesse and could get GC to accept our first pick in 2019 plus a player or another pick thrown in, we could have 2 early picks to use in this draft,

GC has a swag of early picks in this draft I think it is 7 in top 40 and therefore may be happy to spread it a bit and take another first rounder next year to avoid a glut of 18 year olds this year being added to the list.

If we could swing that sort of deal and if say GC took the King twins, who would solve FF and FB soon, as replacements for Lynch and May, options would open. The Kings are 202 cms and strong so could possibly play next year. They have said they are happier to go interstate if picked together.

If that happened, we would have a Jesse replacement in Lukosius and could take Rozee his mate, or Rankine also from SA.

It is just another scenario that could develop. If GC took the SA boys we would have the Kings and would only need to draft or trade for mids, this year and next.

We could even keep 5 and trade 4 to Port for 9 and 10 or do a deal with the Crows for a player and their first pick. We could have 3 picks in the top 10 or 2 in the top 12 and a player.  The options really open up.

Just a thought.

Edited October 3, 2018 by Redleg

[beelzebub 23,198]

1 minute ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

The jumper must be some sort of prank - he barracks for Carlton (yes I know, not much better than Collingwood...)

he obviously lost a bet....seems most  probable with his footy IQ

[Adam The God 29,389]

32 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Was just thinking, if we could get 4/5 from Freo for Jesse and could get GC to accept our first pick in 2019 plus a player or another pick thrown in, we could have 2 early picks to use in this draft,

GC has a swag of early picks in this draft I think it is 7 in top 40 and therefore may be happy to spread it a bit and take another first rounder next year to avoid a glut of 18 year olds this year being added to the list.

If we could swing that sort of deal and if say GC took the King twins, who would solve FF and FB soon, as replacements for Lynch and May, options would open. The Kings are 202 cms and strong so could possibly play next year. They have said they are happier to go interstate if picked together.

If that happened, we would have a Jesse replacement in Lukosius and could take Rozee his mate, or Rankine also from SA.

It is just another scenario that could develop. If GC took the SA boys we would have the Kings and would only need to draft or trade for mids, this year and next.

We could even keep 5 and trade 4 to Port for 9 and 10 or do a deal with the Crows for a player and their first pick. We could have 3 picks in the top 10 or 2 in the top 12 and a player.  The options really open up.

Just a thought.

I just can't see us going to the draft with the first rounders. Unless the guy(s) that we want knock(s) back the offer or their club does.

Edited October 3, 2018 by A F

[beelzebub 23,198]

Just now, Redleg said:

Was just thinking, if we could get 4/5 from Freo for Jesse and could get GC to accept our first pick in 2019 plus a player or another pick thrown in, we could have 2 early picks to use in this draft,

GC has a swag of early picks in this draft I think it is 7 in top 40 and therefore may be happy to spread it a bit and take another first rounder next year to avoid a glut of 18 year olds this year being added to the list.

If we could swing that sort of deal and say GC took the King twins, who would solve FF and FB soon as replacements for Lynch and May.They are 202 cms and strong so could play next year. They have said they are happier to go interstate if picked together.

If that happened we would have a Jesse replacement in Lukosius and could take Rozee his mate or Rankine also from SA.

It is just another scenario that could develop. If GC took the SA boys we would have the Kings and would only need to draft or trade for mids, this year and next.

We could even keep 5 and trade 4 to Port for 9 and 10 or do a deal with the Crows for a player and their first pick. We could have 3 picks in the top 10 or 2 in the top 12 and a player.  The options really open up.

Just a thought.

Red...I like the banter with your good self on these matters...as to menus...well......lol ;).. I digress.

I see GC as the litmus in a fashion for all of this. GC is a bit of a mess currently...but Dew is no mug. He's needing to rebuild...and on the run. I see him as quite pragmatic. If he holds any sway over their FD  some sanity might prevail next week. I fear far too many people are viewing this ( the Hogan extravaganza ) in too much isolation.  I would agree if we can help facilitate ( in a fashion ) a viable remedy for some of the SUns worries then they ought to be a little kind in return. 

Maybe unlike some...id be happy to see most of our desired deals through.. If all...well yahoo and crack the champers.

[Diamond_Jim 12,359]

5 minutes ago, A F said:

I just can't see us going to the draft with the first rounders. Unless the guy(s) that we want knock(s) back the offer or their club does.

out of curiosity who are we looking to use the second pick ( pick 5/6) on assuming May is available for pick 10 or thereabouts.

Thanks

[Ethan Tremblay 30,025]

I was only joking Jesse, I want you to stay don’t leave me!!! 

[beelzebub 23,198]

2 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I was only joking Jesse, I want you to stay don’t leave me!!! 

track him down...yore there  

[Davos 793]

15 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Was just thinking, if we could get 4/5 from Freo for Jesse and could get GC to accept our first pick in 2019 plus a player or another pick thrown in, we could have 2 early picks to use in this draft,

GC has a swag of early picks in this draft I think it is 7 in top 40 and therefore may be happy to spread it a bit and take another first rounder next year to avoid a glut of 18 year olds this year being added to the list.

If we could swing that sort of deal and if say GC took the King twins, who would solve FF and FB soon, as replacements for Lynch and May, options would open. The Kings are 202 cms and strong so could possibly play next year. They have said they are happier to go interstate if picked together.

If that happened, we would have a Jesse replacement in Lukosius and could take Rozee his mate, or Rankine also from SA.

It is just another scenario that could develop. If GC took the SA boys we would have the Kings and would only need to draft or trade for mids, this year and next.

We could even keep 5 and trade 4 to Port for 9 and 10 or do a deal with the Crows for a player and their first pick. We could have 3 picks in the top 10 or 2 in the top 12 and a player.  The options really open up.

Just a thought.

If that plays out, you take Rankine and run. The guy would walk into our best 22, he's the most AFL ready player in this draft. 

[Adam The God 29,389]

34 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

out of curiosity who are we looking to use the second pick ( pick 5/6) on assuming May is available for pick 10 or thereabouts.

Thanks

I'm only speculating by piecing things together that I've read on here, but given we've allegedly asked whether we can trade our 2019 first rounder, it would make sense that we packaged that with one of the Hogan picks not going to GCS. 

I'd hope we could do an exchange of later picks with the other first rounder for May AND KK.

From there, I hope we are thinking of putting the remaining pick and next year's in front of GWS and saying to Kelly 'come and play in a flag tilt with us next year - you can play on the MCG every week, in front of a Melbourne revival that saw 1,000,000 fans watch our games this year'.

We can now argue to prospective players that we can pack the MCG out, we play in big games (QBD, ANZAC Eve and hopefully finals) and this list is ready to properly challenge for a flag.

There's a chance we'd be able to lure any A grader in the league after our season (so anyone like Kelly, Whitfield etc). We have a legitimate shot at winning it next year if we get our defence sorted and add some more class to our midfield.

Edited October 3, 2018 by A F

[John Demonic 5,520]

3 minutes ago, A F said:

I'm only speculating by piecing things together that I've read on here, but given we've allegedly asked whether we can trade our 2019 first rounder, it would make sense that we packaged that with the Hogan pick. 

I'd hope we could do an exchange of later picks with the first rounder for May and KK.

From there, I hope we are putting the other pick and next year's in front of GWS and saying to Kelly 'come and play in a flag tilt with us next year - you can play on the MCG every week, in front of a Melbourne revival that saw 1,000,000 fans watch our games this year'.

We can now argue to prospective players that we can pack the MCG out, we play in big games (QBD, ANZAC Eve and hopefully finals) and this list is ready to properly challenge for a flag.

There's a chance it could be anyone from Kelly, Whitfield etc. We have a legitimate shot at winning it next year if we get our defence sorted and add some more class to our midfield.

[Dr. Gonzo 23,710]

3 hours ago, faultydet said:

5) We try to bluff Freo with demanding 2 x early first rd picks, only to realise that Hogan will leave for a pick around 18 next year, so we bite the bullet, trade him for something less than 4/5, and play in a Grand Final with Steven May at full back.

 

The idea of Hogan for May stinks to high heaven, but with the hand we have, it will only take Hogan to really warm to Freo, and we will be forced to take the single early pick. As much as I hate the idea, if it gets done, we are 1 large step closer to a flag.

 

Heres hoping we get more than pick 4, as we should.

How would he leave for pick 18 next year? He's not a FA.

[Dr. Gonzo 23,710]

2 hours ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

We won't get these 2 picks

If Jesse publicly states he wants to leave, then his value is diminished - we won't make him stay for 2019, imagine the impact the press coverage would have particularly if he has a few bad games

I think we'd get 5 + a player at best

Why would he publicly state anything?

[Dr. Gonzo 23,710]

2 hours ago, Wunders said:

id guess at May and Kolodjashnij for Hogan is being floated. I'd still want more, but thats just me. KPF are harder to find than other players. Although on the opposite if freo wait one year and hogan leaves for restricted free agency we'd get crap all (so hoping we play hard ball.

 

2 hours ago, Darkhorse72 said:

But we can choose to match the RFA package if we wish.  

Assuming Neale leaves and it sounds like he wants to, then picks 4/5 is what Hogan is worth this year.   If not we hold him and see what they come up with.  

 

FFS Hogan is NOT a Free Agent next year, Restricted or otherwise.

[olisik 4,060]

Jesse needs to make a decision. His heart obviously isn’t in it otherwise he wouldn’t have asked Goodwin about going to Perth. The longer this drags out, the less time we have to spend our compensation.

Beating around the bush isn’t going to do anyone any favours Jesse

[Dr. Gonzo 23,710]

2 hours ago, Skuit said:

The bolded with the second clause is somewhat ambiguous, no?

If we weren't to use our first-rounder in the draft this year and next, then we face trading restrictions? 

Is it designed to give clubs the chance to trade back in on the final year of their requirements? E.g. - we trade out this year, and then can trade back in next? 

The restriction is only on trading FUTURE first round picks. There's nothing to say you can't yrade your first round pick every year but if you haven't used 2 in a 4 year period you won't be allowed to trade any FUTURE first round picks.

Of course this all comes with a massive asterisk that states the AFL will consider this on a case by case basis (or if you ask nicely we'll let you do it anyway).

[faultydet 7,594]

7 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

How would he leave for pick 18 next year? He's not a FA.

Sorry, I actually mean he goes into the draft. I expect Freo to be near the bottom again.

Then we take what Freo offers, or lose him for nothing.

 

Very very unlikely but possible.

 

We should be doing something now if we think losing him can give us the Flag pieces that we need. He gives us the currency we need.

[Dr. Gonzo 23,710]

1 minute ago, faultydet said:

Sorry, I actually mean he goes into the draft. I expect Freo to be near the bottom again.

Then we take what Freo offers, or lose him for nothing.

 

Very very unlikely but possible.

 

We should be doing something now if we think losing him can give us the Flag pieces that we need. He gives us the currency we need.

If all they offer us this year is a one first round pick then we hold on to him. They'll offer the same next year and will have a top 5 pick again so we won't be any worse off.

[faultydet 7,594]

6 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

If all they offer us this year is a one first round pick then we hold on to him. They'll offer the same next year and will have a top 5 pick again so we won't be any worse off.

I'm not that confident that we will hold off and push it to the brink for those 2 early picks. I just cant see us getting 4 & 5

4 and a pick after 10 maybe is what I see us accepting, and if it goes to the final couple of trading hours, we may take pick 4 on its own.

I have a hunch that our guys view Jesse (leaving) now as the key to a serious flag hit next year. I reckon we REALLY badly want May, and cant take the chance of Colonwood swooping.

 

I hope you are right, as @Redleg trade scenario would be an absolute dream come true. But if it appears too good to be true, it usually is.

Edited October 3, 2018 by faultydet

[Diamond_Jim 12,359]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

If all they offer us this year is a one first round pick then we hold on to him. They'll offer the same next year and will have a top 5 pick again so we won't be any worse off.

well said... had come to the same conclusion

Freo won't be bottom next year nor will they rocket up the ladder so a very fair chance pick 4/5 next year is still there.

bTW on your Kelly trade... the problem I see is that pick 5/6 plus our first for next year (say 15 plus) sounds light for Kelly etc.

Like the thinking though

[Dr.D 1,771]

2 hours ago, blue and red in the head said:

For me it’s simple 2 top 10 draft picks or we keep Jessie. Have a crack for a flag with him next year and if he still wants to go we get a first round pick next year. If that’s all Freo are will to cough up this year then it will be no big loss. 

That's all well and good but that means you are happy with May not joining the club and Oscar mcdonald tearing your hair out for another season. 

[Dr. Gonzo 23,710]

2 minutes ago, faultydet said:

I'm not that confident that we will hold off and push it to the brink for those 2 early picks. I just cant see us getting 4 & 5

4 and a pick after 10 maybe is what I see us accepting.

I have a hunch that our guys view Jesse (leaving) now as the key to a serious flag hit next year. I reckon we REALLY badly want May, and cant take the chance of Colonwood swooping.

 

I hope you are right, as @Redleg trade scenario would be an absolute dream come true. But if it appears too good to be true, it usually is.

Another option would be they trade us pick 4 or 5 plus their first pick next year. We could then use that as currency for a player or trade it to another club this year for their first (as a lot of people will be banking on Freo having another high pick next year).

[DV8 2,271]

1 hour ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

Dockers will buckle... hold firm to 4&5 they simply can’t afford to not land hogan now. And he’s contracted so we have named our price.

Yep, their first 2 picks, 4 & 5, or its not on...  we'll deal with another suitor.

So Ross, your balls are in your own court, up in the Air,,,  and all that stuff.

 

Yoall Comeback when your serious'',  Signon-aria.

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[beelzebub 23,198]

there's a lot to play out. Disregard the public info. the backroom boys are playing on a different table.

In a game of dominoes....it often matters what goes first. this is important to the trade week.  Im intrigued