Farewell Jesse Hogan

[Redleg 40,926]

18 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Some big marks taken last night on the end of some ordinary disposal from both teams due to the pressure. Didn’t see any supporters blaming their respective midfielders.

Well the Tiger supporters should be blaming their mids.

[Diamond_Jim 12,591]

20 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

I have said previously the threat isn't Freo it's Meth Coast. Jesse's contract ends at a time which is perfect for them Kennedy will be done Le cras will be done and Natanui's wage will be significantly lower.

I hate them but they are well run and any leaks from them are deliberate 

yep and we would get pick 20 or thereabouts in return. Even if we keep him it would be overs from a dollar perspective.

Oh so blind are those that do not see.

Sign him or trade him this year.

[Tim 3,423]

Ship him out - we clearly don’t need talent like his judging by the first half at Optus.

[What 18,810]

3 minutes ago, Tim said:

Ship him out - we clearly don’t need talent like his judging by the first half at Optus.

Would be bloody handy out there today.

[Devil In Disguise 2,278]

Look forward to seeing Jesse at pre season training.

Edited September 22, 2018 by wizardinoz
wrong thread

[Redleg 40,926]

3 hours ago, Tim said:

Ship him out - we clearly don’t need talent like his judging by the first half at Optus.

Yeah, who needs a talented forward who could turn out to be the next Josh Kennedy. 

[RalphiusMaximus 6,054]

The one worry I have with Jesse is the feeling that he's going to be the super talented guy who breaks down every year and never lives up to his potential because of the never-ending rehab. I would love to know what our medical staff think about him.  It's just possible that two top ten picks could turn into a bargain for him.

[beelzebub 23,378]

10 hours ago, Redleg said:

Yeah, who needs a talented forward who could turn out to be the next Josh Kennedy. 

Or someone who might drop his head, play for frees, half hearted second efforts and go sookilala if it's not his day.

No he doesn't do that all the time...but does often enough for some to take notice 

Anyone thinking he was the difference yesterday is kidding themselves.

[rufus 1,162]

We could have had wayne carey and gary ablett snr in out forward line yesterday and still would have got pantsed. If the team is prone to shirking the hard stuff your forwards will never be the difference makers.

[Ugottobekidding 1,187]

Hogan would have kicked 50 this year - he is a player who kicks goals each week. Tom Macdonald and Weiderman are not players who kick goals each week.

[dazzledavey36 54,947]

10 minutes ago, Ugottobekidding said:

Hogan would have kicked 50 this year - he is a player who kicks goals each week. Tom Macdonald and Weiderman are not players who kick goals each week.

Tom McDonald kicked 53 goals this year you clown.

[Ugottobekidding 1,187]

2 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Tom McDonald kicked 53 goals this year you clown.

He get some big bags then next week a zero. Hogan gets goals every week. He js our best big forward by a mile.

[Ethan Tremblay 30,861]

15 minutes ago, Ugottobekidding said:

Hogan would have kicked 50 this year - he is a player who kicks goals each week. Tom Macdonald and Weiderman are not players who kick goals each week.

Before yesterday, McDonald kicked at least one goal in every game he played this year. 

[Ugottobekidding 1,187]

Saying Hogan should be traded is stupid when clearly he is our best forward option by a mile. Not say Tom Mac isnt good or Weiderman wont be good... nust pointing out those saying we should trade him obviously dont look at the statistics.

[beelzebub 23,378]

2 hours ago, Ugottobekidding said:

Saying Hogan should be traded is stupid when clearly he is our best forward option by a mile. Not say Tom Mac isnt good or Weiderman wont be good... nust pointing out those saying we should trade him obviously dont look at the statistics.

maybe you might want to study those same statistics closer

[Redleg 40,926]

5 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Or someone who might drop his head, play for frees, half hearted second efforts and go sookilala if it's not his day.

No he doesn't do that all the time...but does often enough for some to take notice 

Anyone thinking he was the difference yesterday is kidding themselves.

He wouldn't have been the difference clearly, but he played better yesterday than our 2 key forwards and for that matter our 2 key backs and he wasn't even on the ground.

[Dr.D 1,771]

16 hours ago, Redleg said:

Yeah, who needs a talented forward who could turn out to be the next Josh Kennedy. 

this is an embarassing comment. josh kennedy is a coleman medalist that excels in defensive pressure. Hogan is one of the worst in the comp for his pressure. If tom mcdonald couldn't have an impact in yesterdays game, no chance hogan wouldve gone near it. 

 

[Redleg 40,926]

19 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

this is an embarassing comment. josh kennedy is a coleman medalist that excels in defensive pressure. Hogan is one of the worst in the comp for his pressure. If tom mcdonald couldn't have an impact in yesterdays game, no chance hogan wouldve gone near it. 

 

Jesse Hogan

Born:12-Feb-1995 (Debut:20y 51d Last:23y 181d)

Height:195 cm Weight:100 kg

 

Year	Team	#	GM	W-D-L	KI	MK	HB	DI	GL	BH	HO	TK	RB	IF	CL	CG	FF	FA	BR	CP	UP	CM	MI	1%	BO	GA
Totals			71	32-0-39	685	459	393	1078	152	81	13	110	17	174	20	132	81	37	14	458	629	124	183	87	5	44
Averages			17.75	45.07%	9.65	6.46	5.54	15.18	2.14	1.14	0.18	1.55	0.24	2.45	0.28	1.86	1.14	0.52	0.20	6.45	8.86	1.75	2.58	1.23	0.07	0.62
2015	Melbourne	1	20	6-0-14	178	134	83	261	44	19		25	1	45	5	20	17	6	5	118	139	47	52	22	1	12
2016	Melbourne	1	21	9-0-12	206	149	104	310	41	33	4	29	8	47	1	39	19	10	6	123	189	43	63	24	3	12
2017	Melbourne	1	10	5-0-5	91	51	51	142	20	6		15	2	26	3	19	9	5	3	55	87	10	21	9	1	6
2018	Melbourne	1	20	12-0-8	210	125	155	365	47	23	9	41	6	56	11	54	36	16		162	214	24	47	32		14

 

 

Josh Kennedy

Born:25-Aug-1987 (Debut:18y 255d Last:31y 28d)

Height:196 cm Weight:103 kg

 

• 
   

Year	Team	#	GM	W-D-L	KI	MK	HB	DI	GL	BH	HO	TK	RB	IF	CL	CG	FF	FA	BR	CP	UP	CM	MI	1%	BO	GA
Totals			220	112-2-106	1887	1296	651	2538	559	306	52	519	15	486	38	467	254	227	69	1190	1370	323	591	259	15	119
Averages			16.92	51.36%	8.58	5.89	2.96	11.54	2.54	1.39	0.24	2.36	0.07	2.21	0.17	2.12	1.15	1.03	0.33	5.41	6.23	1.47	2.69	1.18	0.07	0.54
2006	Carlton	5	9	1-1-7	36	32	16	52	5	4	1	11		15	1	17	7	8		25	30	5	8	3		1
2007	Carlton	5	13	2-0-11	57	50	40	97	6	5	40	27	4	16	6	19	10	9		40	55	7	6	15	1
2008	West Coast	17	7	1-0-6	55	46	34	89	7	4	1	7		19	2	12	9	5		34	55	9	6	7		4
2009	West Coast	17	16	6-0-10	150	110	52	202	31	17	2	28	2	40	4	35	16	13		76	128	23	32	23	1	9
2010	West Coast	17	22	4-0-18	199	130	61	260	41	19	1	60	1	69	3	58	25	27	3	108	149	28	34	30	3	15
2011	West Coast	17	23	16-0-7	208	144	62	270	59	38		70		69	4	55	25	32	4	150	125	51	65	42	3	15
2012	West Coast	17	9	7-0-2	58	43	16	74	18	14		13		13	1	16	7	11	3	39	35	14	24	7	1	1
2013	West Coast	17	21	8-0-13	210	143	63	273	60	23	1	69	2	60	1	44	26	21	6	137	137	34	62	16	1	17
2014	West Coast	17	20	10-0-10	175	114	51	226	61	33		62	1	33	6	46	23	26	11	90	131	17	56	19	1	10
2015	West Coast	17	25	18-1-6	241	168	92	333	80	55		52	1	60	5	44	28	20	12	154	184	39	101	28	3	18
2016	West Coast	17	23	16-0-7	229	148	71	300	82	37	1	69	3	45	4	52	34	26	17	151	157	42	87	30	1	15
2017	West Coast	17	19	11-0-8	166	111	59	225	69	39	5	27		27		32	24	18	13	112	111	34	72	28		10
2018	West Coast	17	13	12-0-1	103	57	34	137	40	18		24	1	20	1	37	20	11		74	73	20	38	11		4

 

Jesse Hogan 152 goals in his first 4 years in 71 games.

Josh Kennedy 90 goals in his first 5 years in the AFL in 67 games. 

Jesse averaged 50% more disposals in those games as well.

I think you are the one that needs to feel really embarrassed. Also I was rubbishing the get rid of Hogan thread. I never said he would have made a difference yesterday, so don't change the meaning of my post.

I said he could be our Josh Kennedy and people want to get rid of him. He is on better track than Josh was at the same stage.

Edited September 23, 2018 by Redleg

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,396]

On 8/13/2018 at 10:52 AM, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Round, opponent, score, disposals, marks

Round 1 :  Geelong 3.0, 16 & 3

Round 2 : Brisbane 5.1, 22 & 9

Round 3 : North 1.2, 26 & 7

Round 4 : HAWKS 1.1, 24 & 3

Round 5 : TIGERS 2.2, 22 & 9

Round 6 : Bombers 2.1, 8 & 5

Round 7 : St.Kilda 3.1, 25 & 7

Round 8 : Suns 3.0, 22 & 8

Round 9 : Carlton 1.1, 15 & 6

Round 10 : Crows 5.0, 20 & 11

Round 11: Bulldogs 5.1, 19 & 10

Its at this point here people were saying he’s in AA form. 10 goals 1 from his last 2 games with a 31 for the year so far. The stage was set for something special on QB, and we got this....

Round 12 : PIES 0.1, 17 & 3

Round 13 : Bye

No need to panic it was just a one off, or was it....

Round 14 : PORT 0.1, 12 & 2

Round 15 : Saints 3.2, 15 & 4

Round 16 : Freo 2.3 19 & 7

Round 17 : Bulldogs 4.1, 18 & 9

More goals against weaker clubs and all is forgotten again. Hold on....

Round 18 : GEELONG 1.1, 14 & 4

Rd 19 : Crows 1.0, 10 & 4

After yesterday’ loss many are now saying he’s been playing injured for weeks, so to help him recover the gets him to line up against the hapless Suns.

Round 20 : Suns 4.1, 22 & 10

Not bad for someone playing injured. But then again as some have already alluded to, a lot of players are carrying injuries this time of year, it all depends on whether or not it suits your narrative.

Round 21 : SWANS  1.3, 19 & 4

The games where the opponents names are in capitals are games where he needed to deliver. You could go into it more and look at how many of those behinds were easy misses, or like yesterday his disposal efficiency which was yesterday quite low. We are yet to play the Giants or the Eagles but looking at that the games against the other 5 top 8 sides and Geelong who are currently 9th there is a clear trend, and that is he goes missing in big games. Again, he’s not the player many thought he was going to become. 

The club should be open to trading him but we don’t need more kids, line up and a ready made player and make it a three way trade.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just reposting this in the hope some others might get some context on Hogan, his goals for the year and his inability this year to influence certain games. 

[Dr.D 1,771]

2 hours ago, Redleg said:

Jesse Hogan

Born:12-Feb-1995 (Debut:20y 51d Last:23y 181d)

Height:195 cm Weight:100 kg

 

Year	Team	#	GM	W-D-L	KI	MK	HB	DI	GL	BH	HO	TK	RB	IF	CL	CG	FF	FA	BR	CP	UP	CM	MI	1%	BO	GA
Totals			71	32-0-39	685	459	393	1078	152	81	13	110	17	174	20	132	81	37	14	458	629	124	183	87	5	44
Averages			17.75	45.07%	9.65	6.46	5.54	15.18	2.14	1.14	0.18	1.55	0.24	2.45	0.28	1.86	1.14	0.52	0.20	6.45	8.86	1.75	2.58	1.23	0.07	0.62
2015	Melbourne	1	20	6-0-14	178	134	83	261	44	19		25	1	45	5	20	17	6	5	118	139	47	52	22	1	12
2016	Melbourne	1	21	9-0-12	206	149	104	310	41	33	4	29	8	47	1	39	19	10	6	123	189	43	63	24	3	12
2017	Melbourne	1	10	5-0-5	91	51	51	142	20	6		15	2	26	3	19	9	5	3	55	87	10	21	9	1	6
2018	Melbourne	1	20	12-0-8	210	125	155	365	47	23	9	41	6	56	11	54	36	16		162	214	24	47	32		14

 

 

Josh Kennedy

Born:25-Aug-1987 (Debut:18y 255d Last:31y 28d)

Height:196 cm Weight:103 kg

 

• 
   

Year	Team	#	GM	W-D-L	KI	MK	HB	DI	GL	BH	HO	TK	RB	IF	CL	CG	FF	FA	BR	CP	UP	CM	MI	1%	BO	GA
Totals			220	112-2-106	1887	1296	651	2538	559	306	52	519	15	486	38	467	254	227	69	1190	1370	323	591	259	15	119
Averages			16.92	51.36%	8.58	5.89	2.96	11.54	2.54	1.39	0.24	2.36	0.07	2.21	0.17	2.12	1.15	1.03	0.33	5.41	6.23	1.47	2.69	1.18	0.07	0.54
2006	Carlton	5	9	1-1-7	36	32	16	52	5	4	1	11		15	1	17	7	8		25	30	5	8	3		1
2007	Carlton	5	13	2-0-11	57	50	40	97	6	5	40	27	4	16	6	19	10	9		40	55	7	6	15	1
2008	West Coast	17	7	1-0-6	55	46	34	89	7	4	1	7		19	2	12	9	5		34	55	9	6	7		4
2009	West Coast	17	16	6-0-10	150	110	52	202	31	17	2	28	2	40	4	35	16	13		76	128	23	32	23	1	9
2010	West Coast	17	22	4-0-18	199	130	61	260	41	19	1	60	1	69	3	58	25	27	3	108	149	28	34	30	3	15
2011	West Coast	17	23	16-0-7	208	144	62	270	59	38		70		69	4	55	25	32	4	150	125	51	65	42	3	15
2012	West Coast	17	9	7-0-2	58	43	16	74	18	14		13		13	1	16	7	11	3	39	35	14	24	7	1	1
2013	West Coast	17	21	8-0-13	210	143	63	273	60	23	1	69	2	60	1	44	26	21	6	137	137	34	62	16	1	17
2014	West Coast	17	20	10-0-10	175	114	51	226	61	33		62	1	33	6	46	23	26	11	90	131	17	56	19	1	10
2015	West Coast	17	25	18-1-6	241	168	92	333	80	55		52	1	60	5	44	28	20	12	154	184	39	101	28	3	18
2016	West Coast	17	23	16-0-7	229	148	71	300	82	37	1	69	3	45	4	52	34	26	17	151	157	42	87	30	1	15
2017	West Coast	17	19	11-0-8	166	111	59	225	69	39	5	27		27		32	24	18	13	112	111	34	72	28		10
2018	West Coast	17	13	12-0-1	103	57	34	137	40	18		24	1	20	1	37	20	11		74	73	20	38	11		4

 

Jesse Hogan 152 goals in his first 4 years in 71 games.

Josh Kennedy 90 goals in his first 5 years in the AFL in 67 games. 

Jesse averaged 50% more disposals in those games as well.

I think you are the one that needs to feel really embarrassed. Also I was rubbishing the get rid of Hogan thread. I never said he would have made a difference yesterday, so don't change the meaning of my post.

I said he could be our Josh Kennedy and people want to get rid of him. He is on better track than Josh was at the same stage.

you can show me all the stats in the world. im sure you couldve shown similar stats to prove watts was decent.

at the end of the day he offers 0 forward pressure. 0! he is not a great kick for goal and is mentally weak. no surprise he was no loss in finals and he is only best 22 if he fixes his attitude.

[beelzebub 23,378]

1 hour ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Just reposting this in the hope some others might get some context on Hogan, his goals for the year and his inability this year to influence certain games. 

Thankyou...its valuable context.

I dont think anyone really thinks the lad isnt talented. It's a very one sided extrapolation to say he'll be as good as Kennedy.

That said it would not surprise me if WCE made a play for him

[Redleg 40,926]

1 hour ago, beelzebub said:

Thankyou...its valuable context.

I dont think anyone really thinks the lad isnt talented. It's a very one sided extrapolation to say he'll be as good as Kennedy.

That said it would not surprise me if WCE made a play for him

People need to quote posters correctly. I said he COULD  become our Kennedy not that he is. 

[Wolfturdo 123]

7 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Tom McDonald kicked 53 goals this year you clown.

What a moron 

[Redleg 40,926]

1 hour ago, Dr.D said:

you can show me all the stats in the world. im sure you couldve shown similar stats to prove watts was decent.

at the end of the day he offers 0 forward pressure. 0! he is not a great kick for goal and is mentally weak. no surprise he was no loss in finals and he is only best 22 if he fixes his attitude.

I’ve shown you he has kicked 60 more goals in the same games as Kennedy and you dismiss it as just a stat. Then you say  stats could show Watts was decent. Unbelievable. 

[Axis of Bob 11,830]

Tom McDonald. 20 games for 47 tackles.

Jesse Hogan. 20 games for 41 tackles.

Those 6 extra tackles must have been absolute bone crushers.