Farewell Jesse Hogan

[Wolfturdo 123]

I love it how the minute someone doesn’t like a thread they want it closed. 

I also love it how quickly people are ready to 100% believe everything they are told. Haven’t you been watching football long enough to know that it doesn’t always mean everything when someone says what Goody said tonight? I remember Jeremy Howe coming out after a game in the middle of 2015 saying his priority was to stay at Melbourne. I’m sure a lot of people here took that as gospel as well. 

[layzie 33,299]

8 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Haven't seen the OTC interview, but seriously folk, did anyone think he'd say anything else? Goody was hardly going to say he's up for trading Hogan in October. It's the start of our first finals in 3279 years and all coaches would state the obvious in this case.

 

 

That’s usually my thinking in these cases. Don’t get me wrong it’s very encouraging but it’s mainly elevator music. 

[Redleg 40,380]

Should we trade Max before he shaves his beard off?

We could trade Gus before he changes helmets, or Harmes before he gets more tatts.

Edited August 27, 2018 by Redleg

[Ethan Tremblay 30,417]

I’m convinced some people just need drama in their lives and need something to get outraged over

Edited August 27, 2018 by Ethan Tremblay

[Redleg 40,380]

2 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I’m convinced some people just need drama in their lives and need something to get outraged over. 

That is an outrageous comment and way too dramatic.

Edited August 27, 2018 by Redleg

[layzie 33,299]

43 minutes ago, Wolfturdo said:

I love it how the minute someone doesn’t like a thread they want it closed. 

I also love it how quickly people are ready to 100% believe everything they are told. Haven’t you been watching football long enough to know that it doesn’t always mean everything when someone says what Goody said tonight? I remember Jeremy Howe coming out after a game in the middle of 2015 saying his priority was to stay at Melbourne. I’m sure a lot of people here took that as gospel as well. 

Yeah true but to be fair Howe was out of contract. 

[Ethan Tremblay 30,417]

7 minutes ago, Redleg said:

That is an outrageous comment and way too dramatic.

Edited August 27, 2018 by Ethan Tremblay

[Moonshadow 17,577]

3 minutes ago, layzie said:

Yeah true but to be fair Howe was out of contract. 

So is Hogan in 14 months

[RedsoxMan 144]

2 hours ago, Lord Neville X Flash said:

I wonder if Hogan could become the best third tall ever that pushes into the midfield, with Weid and Tmac as the traditional FF and CHF.

He is  near an All Australian, and can play may position, including CHB, Mid Field, as well as a forward.

We should not trade him.

Also, Why would he go to Fremantle, and suffer more years of down the ladder games.

We are just staring to get going as a Club.

 

 

[layzie 33,299]

43 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

So is Hogan in 14 months

Alas this is true. Which maybe brings a more pertinent question, when do we start contract negotiations if not already? Because if he plays into next year without it, well..

Edited August 27, 2018 by layzie

[Wolfturdo 123]

6 hours ago, Allus Monk said:

I know it doesn't get him to WA,, but would we consider a straight trade with Gold Coast for Steven May, who now need a key forward to replace Lynch. Or more likely, a three club deal involving Freo in some way.

That is a complete load. You really have no idea what you’re talking about.

[DV8 2,271]

1 hour ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Looks like de melk. can he kick, goals?

[jackaub 1,402]

My problem is if Weid and T Mac are firing Melks and othersare on fire 

Where do you play him?  Petraccas' position at half forward? On the ball?Whose position does he take?  Perhaps forward pocket.

[Ethan Tremblay 30,417]

28 minutes ago, jackaub said:

My problem is if Weid and T Mac are firing Melks and othersare on fire 

Where do you play him?  Petraccas' position at half forward? On the ball?Whose position does he take?  Perhaps forward pocket.

How many games has Weid ‘fired’ in? I’m sure we can find room to squeeze in a player who kicked 42 goals in 18 games. 

Edited August 27, 2018 by Ethan Tremblay

[Wiseblood 24,637]

5 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

How many games has Weid ‘fired’ in? I’m sure we can find room to squeeze in a player who kicked 42 goals in 18 games. 

Apparently it isn't as important as squeezing in a bloke who has kicked 2 goals in 2 games. (And, for the record, I've loved Weid's output in the last two games.)

[jackaub 1,402]

7 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Apparently it isn't as important as squeezing in a bloke who has kicked 2 goals in 2 games. (And, for the record, I've loved Weid's output in the last two games.)

So if Hogan were available for first final who do you drop to put him in?

I presume Weiderman.

Edited August 27, 2018 by jackaub

[Wiseblood 24,637]

5 minutes ago, jackaub said:

So if Hogan were available for first final who do you drop to put him in?

I presume Weiderman.

You just answered your own question.

[640MD 3,327]

I have been a critic of gifting games to OMac and also to Weid,

OMac has been pretty good this year and the last couple of games Weid has shown something. After a prolonged period at Casey,  but I liked a couple of his marks on Sunday he will be excellent next season.

bit more fitness and more weight.

what a great time of the year not to be talking about who we will pick in the draft this year. It’s September Melb are still right in it and there is 2 m of snow. Go Dees !!!

hope we all enjoy next couple of weeks

 

[beelzebub 23,250]

8 hours ago, RedsoxMan said:

He is  near an All Australian, and can play may position, including CHB, Mid Field, as well as a forward.

AA ?based on what ? Nifty who's far more reliable, far more deserving cant get a Guernsey.  Hogan is very good , sometimes, but an inconsistent performer . AA is fanciful atm.

We should not trade him.

Even Paul Roos has said all players are tradable. It's down to all the various components of why's / fors etc. Not to say you go shopping with all in the basket, it means you keep options open.

Also, Why would he go to Fremantle, and suffer more years of down the ladder games.

Because WA is his home.

We are just staring to get going as a Club

Yes, as a club. They're generally bigger than the individual.

 

People seem to have fabricated this "super Hogan" . He is good but nowhere near the super prodigy some make out.

Hogan is actually replaceable. Gawn isn't. 

I'm also in the camp that thinks maybe he's better suited to a half back role. But then again...where and how ? As a true CHB with Lever and Pig either side...Is Oscar behind ? Possible I suppose.

It again poses the very question that sparks all the debate. Is that the best outcome for the Club and team balance. It's not about him... it's about us...as a team/club.

 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

1 minute ago, beelzebub said:

People seem to have fabricated this "super Hogan" . He is good but nowhere near the super prodigy some make out.

Hogan is actually replaceable. Gawn isn't. 

 

 

Is he?  Who can replace him with?  Where do we get the 47 goals from?

I look forward to this answer.

[Robbie57 2,003]

I am with Goodwin on this, he stays and  has shown himself to be a Melbourne person through and through.  We have built a special group here.

[KingDingAling 3,750]

10 hours ago, Damo said:

How many "close this threads" calls were on Jack Watts thread?

It doesnt look to me as if Jesse is happy at MFC at all.At all.

If he is as staunch as stated fine, but I dont believe it.

If we go by his body language that may be the case. But we don't know if his body language is often bad because he doesn't want to be here, or because he just has high standards of himself, and it shows when he doesn't meet those standards. But either way, that negative body language could have an effect on the rest of the playing group. It may be partly why we have been better without him in our side. And would his body language remain the same if we moved him down back? These are things we need to investigate. At present, he has bad body language, and at present, we are playing better without him. 

[jackaub 1,402]

Well I guess any half descent forward could have kicked  35 against GC -4,WB-4,FREO-2,SK-3,WB-5,

AD-5,CARL-1,GC-3,SK-3.

as against 

SYD-1,AD-1,GEE-1,PA- 0,CW-0,ESS-2,RICH-2,HAW-1,NM-1,GEE-3      Total12

[beelzebub 23,250]

12 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Is he?  Who can replace him with?  Where do we get the 47 goals from?

I look forward to this answer.

One of the most ridiculous comments yet. Have you not been paying attention . 

Many of those 47 were in the bullying games. He kicks very few under pressure against harder opposition. So the value isn't quite what it seems. 

Of course he's replaceable. We've had to cover him often. We're covering him now. We're traveling ok are we not ?

Tmac has kicked more from less games.

I'd challenge the veracity of the idea one person replaces another in pure goal kicking. It can be argued a better performing team is less reliant on individual return and more upon what teamwork provides.

But still.. even if say Weed stood up for 1 and half goals per game.. that's  30 odd. The likes of Vanders would be good for similar.. there's 60.

I fully accept it's all numbers and hypotheticals but then so is much of the hype about Hogan.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

3 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

One of the most ridiculous comments yet. Have you not been paying attention

Don't forget your question marks.

And I see you don't have a replacement for him.  Cheers.