We have won 14 (Premiership) quarters and lost two by a point

[DEE fence 5,004]

The so called 'premiership quarter' has been a strength of ours this year. One of the things I am enjoying about this season, is the 3rd quarters, I slacked off at work and checked and we have won 14 (and lost round 5 Tiges and round 15 Saints by 1 pt each). My memory is fuzzy but even in our salad days between 2000 to 2006 (relatively speaking) we never had such a good run with 3rd quarters. Following conclusions:

1, When Goodwin says the playing group is not caught up/in history(Pre Roos/Goodwin), I believe him. Our percentage this year shows the team took round 23, 2017 to heart.

2, Everyone bar Richmond has been cruelled by injuries (GWS might just get all its players back, which sucks). The dance card for the grand ball is open.

donc

We get to the finals, lack of experience will mean nothing for us. Our 'on' switch is terrifying and I expect cricket scores. If HUNT shows form at Casey swap him for Vince, but might want Vince for hardness if we get there.

My favourite finals team:

B: Michael Hibberd, Sam Frost, Neville Jetta

HB: Christian Salem, Oscar McDonald, Jordan Lewis

C:  Jack Viney, Clayton Oliver, Angus Brayshaw

HF: Jake Melksham, Jesse Hogan, Bayley Fritsch

F: Christian Petracca, Tom McDonald, Charlie Spargo

Foll: Max Gawn, Nathan Jones, Dom Tyson 
 

I/C: Jeff Garlett, James Harmes, Alex Neal-Bullen, Bernie Vince
 

Emg: Cam Pedersen, Aaron vandenBerg, Jayden Hunt, Sam Weideman, Jay Kennedy Harris,

 

[Sir Why You Little 36,987]

We are 11-7 with a lot of hard work to do

September is 4 Quarter pressure

[Skuit 10,031]

3 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

We are 11-7 with a lot of hard work to do

September is 4 Quarter pressure

SWYL: You forgot mention that we won the third quarter in round 23 2017 against Collingwood.

[MurDoc516 1,505]

3 hours ago, DaisyDeeciple said:

We get to the finals, lack of experience will mean nothing for us. Our 'on' switch is terrifying and I expect cricket scores. If HUNT shows form at Casey swap him for Vince, but might want Vince for hardness if we get there.

This is a great point. I think if we do make it we need to back the boys and not worry about defeat. Doggies had no fear because they were happy to be there. Richmond almost played with no expectations because of their past performances in the finals and when they got that win they became a wrecking ball. We can turn it on and nobody bar Richmond will want to face us because as we have shown so far this season we are hard to beat.

Yes we can look at the dissapointments of both Geelong games and the Hawthorn/Saints games. I was so gutted after the Geelong game and i was fuming after the St Kilda game because i didn't think the group was learning the lessons from past experiences. After the natural anger period wore off after those defeats i was able to find positive. Speaking for myself here, when i look at Goody and the players in the team i refuse to believe they ain't trying to improve. I don't believe they drink their own bath water (i think that's just phrase people here use to justify why we lose). I also don't believe the top 8 scalp is playing on the minds of players or coaches.  

Looking back on the season i can say we did learn a lot from the Richmond and Hawthorn games. More so from Richmond because i think the Hawthorn game was an aberration of players not playing to the base standard we expect. Since round 5 against the tigers we've gone 9 and 4 with 3 of the 4 defeats being close defeats. We also had to deal with the loss of Lever, Viney and Hibberd in that time while having everyone in the football world hype them up one week and tear them down the next week.

One game at a time, but if we make it i sure as hell hope we get Geelong. They survived us twice, but i don't think they will a 3rd time.


 

[jackaub 1,402]

No good winning the premiership quarter  and folding like deck chairs in the last quarter

Must learn to play games right out to the end

[DEE fence 5,004]

2 hours ago, MurDoc516 said:

One game at a time, but if we make it i sure as hell hope we get Geelong. They survived us twice, but i don't think they will a 3rd time.

Agree - Really want Cats or Essendon 1st up

[Skuit 10,031]

We're up to our necks in this season, premiership quarter dominance or not. All the current teams are flawed, as they have been for the past few years. Last year, the third quarter was a sticking point for us, this year not - but we can still be pretty sure of building a lead and giving it up or bridging any sort of deficit in most of our matches. 

At not one stage vs Adelaide did I think we were out of it or otherwise had it in the bag. It's the new MFC normal. Anything can happen this year if we reach the finals - as most of the less MFCSS-scared on here would be already aware - knowing each week that if we play at our best we're an equal or better chance of taking out any team in the league.

[DEE fence 5,004]

1 hour ago, Skuit said:

as most of the less MFCSS-scared 

I guess my OP was really about explaining why i was giving up on my own case of MFCSS... I get that there is 4 qtrs to a game.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,693]

The 3rd quarters are often where we switch from having played ordinary or even poor football to exciting, winning football. It makes me wonder two things:

• did the players not listen to the coach before the game but somehow are more receptive at half time?
• has the coach got the gameplan (using that word broadly to include match-ups, etc) wrong before the game but worked out how to rectify it and explain to the players what they need to do?

Either way, I suspect it's not just coincidence. I expect something happens at half time which suggests Goodwin and his coaching team are earning their money.

 

[The Chazz 4,077]

54 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

The 3rd quarters are often where we switch from having played ordinary or even poor football to exciting, winning football. It makes me wonder two things:

• did the players not listen to the coach before the game but somehow are more receptive at half time?
• has the coach got the gameplan (using that word broadly to include match-ups, etc) wrong before the game but worked out how to rectify it and explain to the players what they need to do?

Either way, I suspect it's not just coincidence. I expect something happens at half time which suggests Goodwin and his coaching team are earning their money.

 

I think you would need to look at a break down of all quarters results to see if there's coincidence or not.  If we find we are winning a majority of first quarters, then what does that tell us?

Perhaps if @DaisyDeeciple feels like slacking off again today, they might be able to do a break down of quarter by quarter results.

[SFebes 4,884]

Quarter won:

1Q: (equal 6th or 4th depending on how you look at it, which is down to 10th)

Rich, WCE 13

Syd 11

Frem, GWS, Melb, Haw, Adel, NM, Coll - 10

 

2Q: (2nd)

Rich 13

Melb, WCE 12

 

3Q: (equal 1st)

Melb, NM 14

Coll 13

Port 12

 

4Q: (equal 3rd)

Rich 14

WCE 13

Melb, Geel 12

 

Quarters won: (equal 1st)

Melb, WCE 48

Rich 46

Coll 43

 

So basically we are slower starters.

Edited July 31, 2018 by MSFebey

[praha 11,236]

2 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

The 3rd quarters are often where we switch from having played ordinary or even poor football to exciting, winning football. It makes me wonder two things:

• did the players not listen to the coach before the game but somehow are more receptive at half time?
• has the coach got the gameplan (using that word broadly to include match-ups, etc) wrong before the game but worked out how to rectify it and explain to the players what they need to do?

Either way, I suspect it's not just coincidence. I expect something happens at half time which suggests Goodwin and his coaching team are earning their money.

 

Half time is an opportunity to adjust. You never really know how the opposition is going to come out. For what it's worth we've generally started okay and then gone up a gear in the third. That's fine so long as you can sustain in for 2 quarters. Last year we were gifting teams 6-7 goal runs early in the game, which makes it a tower to climb. In 2018 we've almost always been in the match before the third quarter. Even on saturday night when we were playing average football, our defense was accountable and we didn't let Adelaide score easily. Watch their goals. They had to work extremely hard for them while we had a bunch of soft ones over the back.

[layzie 33,753]

4 hours ago, jackaub said:

No good winning the premiership quarter  and folding like deck chairs in the last quarter

Must learn to play games right out to the end

This is it. The 4th doesn't have to be our best quarter but we must get back that ability to close out games. Getting to the point where we can't even feel a tiny bit comfortable until we're up by 6 or 7 goals at 3 qtr time.

[jackaub 1,402]

I am with you  Lazie

I just cannot relax with this mob no matter what the score

Dont know whether it is age creeping up on me  or the way this team re-invents new ways to lose good leads and games

Not enjoying this year as much as I should

 

[whatwhat say what 22,702]

in terms of quarters won we do really well

the issue is that when we lose quarters we REALLY lose quarters

the run-on of goals from the likes of adelaide, geelong (twice), hawthorn, collingwood, north, even footscray, has resulted in heart palpitations

in terms of preferred finals team, with the likes of viney and hibberd likely back for sydney, i'd really like this line-up for that round 21 game:

B: Jetta - O Mac - Frost
B: Vince - Hibberd - Lewis
? Jones - Brayshaw - Salem
HF: Petracca - Hogan - Viney
F: Melksham - T Mac - Garlett
Foll: Gawn - Oliver - Harmes
I/c: Spargo - Tyson - ANB - Fritsch
Emerg: Hannan - VDB - Weideman - Hunt

but obviously there will likely be players come in / out of form, in / out of favour, and hopefully no more freaking injuries!

really, it means out line-up on opening bounce is:

jetta - o mac
vince - hibberd - frost - lewis - salem
gawn - oliver - brayshaw - harmes - jones - viney
petracca - hogan - melksham
t mac - garlett
bench: spargo - tyson - anb - fritsch

i love what harmes is doing as a starting inside mid - he's not just tagging but winning his own hard ball and then using it well

[Sir Why You Little 36,987]

7 hours ago, Skuit said:

SWYL: You forgot mention that we won the third quarter in round 23 2017 against Collingwood.

Did we?

How nice. 

[jnrmac 20,055]

28 minutes ago, praha said:

Half time is an opportunity to adjust. You never really know how the opposition is going to come out. For what it's worth we've generally started okay and then gone up a gear in the third. That's fine so long as you can sustain in for 2 quarters. Last year we were gifting teams 6-7 goal runs early in the game, which makes it a tower to climb. In 2018 we've almost always been in the match before the third quarter. Even on saturday night when we were playing average football, our defense was accountable and we didn't let Adelaide score easily. Watch their goals. They had to work extremely hard for them while we had a bunch of soft ones over the back.

 

2 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

The 3rd quarters are often where we switch from having played ordinary or even poor football to exciting, winning football. It makes me wonder two things:

• did the players not listen to the coach before the game but somehow are more receptive at half time?
• has the coach got the gameplan (using that word broadly to include match-ups, etc) wrong before the game but worked out how to rectify it and explain to the players what they need to do?

Either way, I suspect it's not just coincidence. I expect something happens at half time which suggests Goodwin and his coaching team are earning their money.

 

Good OP.

I think this is a really interesting stat. I suspect that the ability to adjust, reinforce the message, move those that aren't performing or putting the acid on players at half time is the basis for the result. It's byond coincidence IMO.

As one who is on record as saying the jury is out on whether Goodwin is a good coach or not I really like this stat. It's a very positive sign.

[DEE fence 5,004]

10 hours ago, The Chazz said:

I think you would need to look at a break down of all quarters results to see if there's coincidence or not.  If we find we are winning a majority of first quarters, then what does that tell us?

Perhaps if @DaisyDeeciple feels like slacking off again today, they might be able to do a break down of quarter by quarter results.

I think whether we win other quarters is not as important as that we can leak a few goals quickly - my focus on the 3rd quarter is because it has been traditionally regarded as an indicator of a good team and also that we used to be crap at them. All in support of my theory that i can throw my personal case of MFCSS in the bin. 

Also work is busy today...

 

[jnrmac 20,055]

2 hours ago, DaisyDeeciple said:

I think whether we win other quarters is not as important as that we can leak a few goals quickly - my focus on the 3rd quarter is because it has been traditionally regarded as an indicator of a good team and also that we used to be crap at them. All in support of my theory that i can throw my personal case of MFCSS in the bin. 

Also work is busy today...

 

The 3rd qtr used to reflect fitness. Not so much now since interchange....

[DEE fence 5,004]

2 hours ago, jnrmac said:

The 3rd qtr used to reflect fitness. Not so much now since interchange....

Google is amazing...

https://www.theroar.com.au/2017/09/11/digging-deeper-premiership-quarter/

[640MD 3,359]

20 hours ago, jackaub said:

 

Not enjoying this year as much as I should

 

This year, even last year, but more importantly the years in front of us. Are the ones to savour. So, So much better than the shite of pre PROOS, we might have tried back then but no future.  Now we have a future thanks to PR and PJ  we will continue losing quarters and giving up leads. But please enjoy the winning bits and hate the fade outs but smile going to the footy. Think I got there only once this year the rest on the TV or phone app. It is time to smell the roses but watch out for the thorns and bees.  GO DEES !!

[layzie 33,753]

2 hours ago, 640MD said:

This year, even last year, but more importantly the years in front of us. Are the ones to savour. So, So much better than the shite of pre PROOS, we might have tried back then but no future.  Now we have a future thanks to PR and PJ  we will continue losing quarters and giving up leads. But please enjoy the winning bits and hate the fade outs but smile going to the footy. Think I got there only once this year the rest on the TV or phone app. It is time to smell the roses but watch out for the thorns and bees.  GO DEES !!

Well said, its easy to forget where we've come from.