On 25/07/2018 at 13:14, Sir Why You Little said:

Drop interchange rotations

problem solved. 

But they won’t do it

How about a 15 second wait before rotated player can rejoin game. 

  On 26/07/2018 at 04:24, Mr Steve said:

How about a 15 second wait before rotated player can rejoin game. 

nah.....that's just the very stupid technical rules we need to avoid

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-07-26/saints-trial-new-rules-but-richo-has-worries

 

""Perhaps most intriguingly, a line was painted horizontally across the middle of the ground. When there was a stoppage in a team's defensive-50, it needed two players in the forward half of the ground.""

"Given that there were so many stoppages and so many ball-ups because there was no prior opportunity, and the way that was adjudicated was to be a ball-up, there was a lot of ball-ups," Richardson said.

Edited July 26, 20186 yr by MSFebey

  On 26/07/2018 at 01:10, Roost It said:

2 things I’d do to reduce congestion 

Limit interchange to 10 per quarter

play holding the ball more

plus I’d remove 3rd man up rule and simply throw the ball up or in straight away, no pause at all

also I’d ban runners

 

All good. Reminds one of the footy with which we kinda growed to, like. This remedy might well fix it all.

  On 26/07/2018 at 04:42, MSFebey said:

""Perhaps most intriguingly, a line was painted horizontally across the middle of the ground. When there was a stoppage in a team's defensive-50, it needed two players in the forward half of the ground.""

"Given that there were so many stoppages and so many ball-ups because there was no prior opportunity, and the way that was adjudicated was to be a ball-up, there was a lot of ball-ups," Richardson said.

In the time it takes to ensure merely 2 players are on the other side of the line, it gives all other players plenty of time to congest even more.

  On 26/07/2018 at 04:24, Mr Steve said:

How about a 15 second wait before rotated player can rejoin game. 

Too many technical rules. 

It needs stripping back. 

To stop 36 players running up and back for an entire match, fatigue must be a legitimate part of the game. 

Massively limit rotations off the bench will reintroduce tactics. 

 

  On 26/07/2018 at 05:41, Sir Why You Little said:

Too many technical rules. 

It needs stripping back. 

To stop 36 players running up and back for an entire match, fatigue must be a legitimate part of the game. 

Massively limit rotations off the bench will reintroduce tactics. 

 

Fatigue is an interesting one, interchange to 10 or so per quarter may work, then you have to think about skill errors.

edit: mistake

Edited July 26, 20186 yr by MSFebey

  On 26/07/2018 at 05:46, MSFebey said:

Fatigue is an interesting one, interchange to 10 or so per quarter may work, then you have to think about skill errors.

I notice back in the day Harvey and Crawford and co were running 35kms a game, now its around 14km. Game has got too fast, faster than skill execution can allow.

I highly doubt that Harvey and Crawford were running over 30 kms a game......

Where did you get this info from?

Every time I hear about these rule changes, someone is talking about the 'product'. The game is a 'product' to be sold and marketed.

People are apparently not watching the AFL's 'product'.

Well, fine, how about these product improvements then:

- Commentators who don't spend all their time talking about each other in some sort of in-joke circle jerk
- Commentators who know the players' names
- Commentators who will get excited about games without escalating into hyperbolic hero-worship
- Not compromising start/end times of games in order to lead into other network programs
- High-Def internet subscription service that can be played on a TV and not restricted to a 7 inch mobile device
- Not packaging games with a cable provider's other bloated, useless content
- High-Def cameras for score reviews (I assume they have strapped some old Nokias to the top of goal posts, such is the quality we have right now)
- Removal of gambling advertising
- Camera operators who can follow the game properly (especially the northern states where they seem to be used to rugby and we struggle to get a sense of how the ground is set up)
 

There ya go. Didn't change a damn thing about the game itself and already I'd watch more footy.

 

 

  On 26/07/2018 at 06:18, Is Dom Is Good said:

I highly doubt that Harvey and Crawford were running over 30 kms a game......

Where did you get this info from?

I seem to recall commentators back in the day and an interview with Crawford, I'll look into it mate.

Apologies. link here, Harvey 19.6km

http://www.the42.ie/afl-stars-push-themselves-hardest-379060-Mar2012/

Edited July 26, 20186 yr by MSFebey

  On 26/07/2018 at 06:30, Choke said:

Every time I hear about these rule changes, someone is talking about the 'product'. The game is a 'product' to be sold and marketed.

People are apparently not watching the AFL's 'product'.

Well, fine, how about these product improvements then:

- Commentators who don't spend all their time talking about each other in some sort of in-joke circle jerk
- Commentators who know the players' names
- Commentators who will get excited about games without escalating into hyperbolic hero-worship
- Not compromising start/end times of games in order to lead into other network programs
- High-Def internet subscription service that can be played on a TV and not restricted to a 7 inch mobile device
- Not packaging games with a cable provider's other bloated, useless content
- High-Def cameras for score reviews (I assume they have strapped some old Nokias to the top of goal posts, such is the quality we have right now)
- Removal of gambling advertising
- Camera operators who can follow the game properly (especially the northern states where they seem to be used to rugby and we struggle to get a sense of how the ground is set up)
 

There ya go. Didn't change a damn thing about the game itself and already I'd watch more footy.

 

 

Some excellent points there Choke. I heard some fella call SEN or 3aw and say that perhaps the ratings have dropped because the commentators are so poor. Got cut off and all in the studio laughed and dismissed it/him as joke and moved on straight away. 

i don't think he was joking and he makes a great point. I can't stand channel 7 or Fox commentary teams or how the game is presented. Fair dinkum how someone like Breton could be paid to mangle the English language and provide zero insight is beyond a joke

To your excellent list of ways they could improve Choke i'd add having expert comments from actual bloody experts, who can provide some actual analysis. Their only criteria for 'experts' seem to be  ex players. Daisy is the only one who i have heard actually bring something positive to the coverage. Had to laugh in the last crows game when some wacka noted our accuracy and she pointed out it is largely due to the fact when on our game plan involves kicking many of goals from within 20 metres of the goals (and proceed to do exactly that all game).  Sh did her homework and the others were clueless - good get Daisy some dick said.

The footage of Ling jumping for joy from his boundary line spot as a special comment man when they won made me sick. 7 highlighted it and made a virtue of it. That said all you need to know about how they go about covering  the game.

Oh and how about some proper anlaysis at the quarter breaks of the sort Craig Foster did in the SBS world cup coverage that actually helps understand what is happening (or not as the case may be) tactically and strategically. Or highlighting specif players. Properly.

  On 26/07/2018 at 06:33, MSFebey said:

I seem to recall commentators back in the day and an interview with Crawford, I'll look into it mate.

Apologies. link here, Harvey 19.6km

http://www.the42.ie/afl-stars-push-themselves-hardest-379060-Mar2012/

Yeah that's a solid amount!

But he average is probably fairly similar to today. 

  On 26/07/2018 at 04:42, MSFebey said:

""Perhaps most intriguingly, a line was painted horizontally across the middle of the ground. When there was a stoppage in a team's defensive-50, it needed two players in the forward half of the ground.""

"Given that there were so many stoppages and so many ball-ups because there was no prior opportunity, and the way that was adjudicated was to be a ball-up, there was a lot of ball-ups," Richardson said.

Richardson is right ......  this is just one more Gillon lead AFL balls up. 

I'm 53 years old and can remember back when I played and watching the great teams of the 80's and 90's. It was a great game.

Surely it wouldn't be too hard to bring back. 

Holding the ball.....none of this prior opportunity crap, you get the ball and try to kick it or handball it to another of your teammates. You get caught with the ball after a reasonable time, bad luck....Holding the ball....free kick to the opposition.

Push in the back......if you are going for the ball and the opposition pushes you in the back....Free kick, you can't do that.

Around the neck......If you are tackled above the shoulder, Free kick...You can't do that.

No ruck nominations.....if the ruckmen are not able to get to the bounce....bad luck.....someones gotta go up and if its the nearest tallest player, so be it.

No deliberate out of bounds....momentum killing bastard of a rule that is too open to interpretation by grandstanding umpires.

Protected zone....[censored] it off completely.....Ask Harmes how well it's working.

Dropping the ball......If you are tackled and the ball spills out, free kick to the tackler......or if the opposition get the ball, Advantage.......

Simple really.

Fix this up and we will have a great game again, not the frustrating shadow of its former self that we endure now.

  On 25/07/2018 at 11:08, MSFebey said:

It’s a bad spectacle because they umpire it terribly, nobody knows the rules, players are confused. Cut the stupid rules and umpire properly, no need for new rules

Aussie rules should be the easiest game in the world to umpire yet they've made the umpires so confused or direct them so much that no-one knows what the hell is going on from contest to contest. Half the time you see a contest and have no idea who the free kick is going to. Was that too high or did he take out his legs? Holding the ball or push in the back? Blocking in the ruck or jumping into the opponent?

Footy is a game of "freedom" to an extent - players are free to go anywhere on the ground, players are free to attack the ball without interference and if they are interfered with they get a free kick. Interference means being shepherded more than 5m off the ball, being tackled above the shoulder or below the knee, being held without the ball and being pushed in the back. If they take possession, have prior opportunity and  fail to get a clean possession away (a kick or handball not just the ball spilling out) they are penalised.

Start paying these fundamental rules (particularly scragging of midfielders at contests and holding the ball when you have had prior opportunity and fail to kick or handball) and you will see the game open up. Blow the whistle as soon as a pack forms instead of waiting to see if it comes out in the scrum and ball it up and you'll see congestion ease.

  On 26/07/2018 at 05:41, Sir Why You Little said:

Too many technical rules. 

It needs stripping back. 

To stop 36 players running up and back for an entire match, fatigue must be a legitimate part of the game. 

Massively limit rotations off the bench will reintroduce tactics. 

 

Then coaches like Ross Lyon will go even more defensive to conserve players energy. They'll park the bus to use a soccer term and try and score on fast break. Rather win 6 goals to 5 than lose 17 goals to 12.

  On 26/07/2018 at 06:30, Choke said:

Every time I hear about these rule changes, someone is talking about the 'product'. The game is a 'product' to be sold and marketed.

People are apparently not watching the AFL's 'product'.

Well, fine, how about these product improvements then:

- Commentators who don't spend all their time talking about each other in some sort of in-joke circle jerk
- Commentators who know the players' names
- Commentators who will get excited about games without escalating into hyperbolic hero-worship
- Not compromising start/end times of games in order to lead into other network programs
- High-Def internet subscription service that can be played on a TV and not restricted to a 7 inch mobile device
- Not packaging games with a cable provider's other bloated, useless content
- High-Def cameras for score reviews (I assume they have strapped some old Nokias to the top of goal posts, such is the quality we have right now)
- Removal of gambling advertising
- Camera operators who can follow the game properly (especially the northern states where they seem to be used to rugby and we struggle to get a sense of how the ground is set up)
 

There ya go. Didn't change a damn thing about the game itself and already I'd watch more footy.

 

 

You can add to that stop scheduling [censored] teams in prime time slots in the hope they'll one day come good because they had a large supporter base 30 years ago.

  On 26/07/2018 at 12:30, Dr. Gonzo said:

Then coaches like Ross Lyon will go even more defensive to conserve players energy. They'll park the bus to use a soccer term and try and score on fast break. Rather win 6 goals to 5 than lose 17 goals to 12.

That’s up to Ross. 

But 36 players can run up and down the ground and congest the ball, because all players have the oportunity to rotate off the bench. 

If ther was 5-10 rotations per Quarter for each club, then only midfielders would be rotated. 

All other players would stay in positions more. 

Positions on the ground should be a part of Australian Rules

  On 26/07/2018 at 06:48, binman said:

Some excellent points there Choke. I heard some fella call SEN or 3aw and say that perhaps the ratings have dropped because the commentators are so poor. Got cut off and all in the studio laughed and dismissed it/him as joke and moved on straight away. 

i don't think he was joking and he makes a great point. I can't stand channel 7 or Fox commentary teams or how the game is presented. Fair dinkum how someone like Breton could be paid to mangle the English language and provide zero insight is beyond a joke

To your excellent list of ways they could improve Choke i'd add having expert comments from actual bloody experts, who can provide some actual analysis. Their only criteria for 'experts' seem to be  ex players. Daisy is the only one who i have heard actually bring something positive to the coverage. Had to laugh in the last crows game when some wacka noted our accuracy and she pointed out it is largely due to the fact when on our game plan involves kicking many of goals from within 20 metres of the goals (and proceed to do exactly that all game).  Sh did her homework and the others were clueless - good get Daisy some dick said.

The footage of Ling jumping for joy from his boundary line spot as a special comment man when they won made me sick. 7 highlighted it and made a virtue of it. That said all you need to know about how they go about covering  the game.

Oh and how about some proper anlaysis at the quarter breaks of the sort Craig Foster did in the SBS world cup coverage that actually helps understand what is happening (or not as the case may be) tactically and strategically. Or highlighting specif players. Properly.

The presentation by channel 7 is a farce, I have no idea what they're going for. I used to junk they were trying to attract the neutral audience with their inanity now I have no idea. The presentation of the game is a definite issue, the whole thing is treated like a joke and feels like it's presented by a bunch of out of touch morons cracking dad jokes.

  On 26/07/2018 at 04:28, daisycutter said:

nah.....that's just the very stupid technical rules we need to avoid

What about we raise the centre square to 1.5Mtrs above the ground, with a white ribbon.  If anyone wants to play thru the centre square, they have to do a limbo to get in, or out.

That'll slow the congestion into the middle, at centre bounces at least.

 

I reckon this might be right up Gills-alley!

  On 26/07/2018 at 05:41, Sir Why You Little said:

Too many technical rules. 

It needs stripping back. 

To stop 36 players running up and back for an entire match, fatigue must be a legitimate part of the game. 

Massively limit rotations off the bench will reintroduce tactics. 

 

Ha, tell that to the players union.

While your down there, tell them to stop referring ex-players to the TV channels, as well, SWYL.

  On 26/07/2018 at 14:23, DV8 said:

Ha, tell that to the players union.

While your down there, tell them to stop referring ex-players to the TV channels, as well, SWYL.

I have retired from the TV ? Game. After todays Media news i got out at the right time

  On 26/07/2018 at 12:38, Dr. Gonzo said:

The presentation by channel 7 is a farce, I have no idea what they're going for. I used to junk they were trying to attract the neutral audience with their inanity now I have no idea. The presentation of the game is a definite issue, the whole thing is treated like a joke and feels like it's presented by a bunch of out of touch morons cracking dad jokes.

And bad dad jokes at that (i am an aficionado of dad jokes).

 The coverage goes for so long, wit so much filler. People seem to love roaming brian. Can't stand it. Treats it all as a joke and brings zero insight. Incredible access and wasted. We could actually get some proper insight if done well.

  On 26/07/2018 at 22:57, binman said:

 The coverage goes for so long, wit so much filler. People seem to love roaming brian. Can't stand it. Treats it all as a joke and brings zero insight. Incredible access and wasted. We could actually get some proper insight if done well.

Channel 7 obviously believe that Roaming F***wit *IS* the entertainment.

They've made a call that only losers and sad basement dwellers would enjoy genuine access to players, and that Roaming F***wit is required to jazz it up and make it watchable. Doesn't help that RF drinks his own bathwater. He's about as funny as Ricky Nixon giving a statement to the vice squad.

Entertainment factor of AFL is plummeting and Channel 7 are contributing to the problem.