POSTMATCH DISCUSSION - Round 18

[M_9 2,082]

6 hours ago, DemonOX said:

I really hate geelong. 

1. Hope we make finals

2. Hope we meet Geelong in the first round 

3. Hope we beat those [censored] and stick it right up em  

They are a bunch of sooks and cry babies. 

See my new thread.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,215]

8 hours ago, DubDee said:

Watched on the couch and they dissected the last minute if the game. Could not believe what I saw- on Geelong final attack, Frost leaves Hawkins in the corridor and runs towards the ball!! Hawkins is on his own in the middle of the ground and marks and sets up the winner. 

I can forgive skill errors but when you are on their gun fwd with 30 seconds left it defies believe that frost leave him. 

Droppable offence imo even though he beat Hawkins a couple of times. If frost stayed on him and spoiled the ball we most likely win

To be honest I'm less concerned with the last minute and more annoyed at minutes 15-10 left in the last when they piled on 4 goals. I'd like to see that dissected instead as we had the chance to halt momentum several times.es yet failed until Petracca won a clearance - by that stage the margin was back to a kick.

[DemonOX 8,791]

5 hours ago, M_9 said:

See my new thread.

Would be all better he more sweeter to beat those pricks on a their home dec. 

[SPC 3,549]

11 hours ago, forever demons said:

hope you are ok spc,lost a bit of skin over the years

Broken collar bone, shoulder blade ribs and rists. Hit a kangaroo at Kyneton on a 600 ninja at 100kms. Back into the ward to watch last qtr.. cried relief and disappointment. Sometimes game means more.. 

this message took me 10 minutes to type.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

On 7/23/2018 at 10:15 AM, A F said:

I didn't notice this at the ground but someone else picked this up on Demonland; that must be JKH coming off with the runner.

We may never know (it might have been coincidental - doubtful) but if they dragged JKH at such a crucial moment, that spells the end of his career. They simply didn't trust him.

If that was the case then they must have felt we had a better chance as a team (at that crucial point) with only 17 men on the field for about 20 seconds AF.  As good Ol' Max's enemy's were oft heard to say... "I find that hard to believe Smart".

In the end it comes down to the fact that this club probably has the worst history in the VFL/AFL at icing close games which we lose far too often.  The fact we haven't been able to turn this around in decades is a blight on the club as a whole and no less on the current FD.  We just continue to find new ways of ducking up all the prior hard work over 3.95 quarters.  We had 4 to 5 players around that last contest in our forward 50 yet not one was able to gather or trap the ground ball at any stage in the 5 or so seconds it was bobbing around and retain the ball for another ball up.   Yet with one clean pick up and handball the Cats whisked it away from congestion in a flash and had it up the other end, hitting a target lace out FTW.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

On 7/23/2018 at 11:29 AM, loges said:

Yes the one closest the fifty arc looks the best option as long as the kick was accurate.

The option was clearly in front of him for a few seconds logos.  Whether he saw it or not who knows. Looks easy from an armchair.  However, over the decades I've tended to find MFC player brains, in general, go to mush in the last frantic minutes of a tight game. Very few hold up under heat, whereas the majority of players from most other teams seem to know what's needed to ice a game and retain possession (barring the bottom 6 or so).

We are our own worst enemy here.

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

It was interesting listening to Lewis on 360 last night. They showed the behind the goals footage to him of the last 25 seconds and asked him why he was sitting off Menzel. 

Lewis said a team would usually go through the corridor with little time remaining in order to get the ball forward as quickly as possible. His thought was he needed to guard the corridor.

When the boys went through the review on Monday he realised he should have gone to Menzel towards the boundary but also said if you want to give up a kick it would be best to do it wide. 

It sounded like he took some heat from Goody during the review. That’s the way I read it anyway.

Edited July 24, 2018 by Dee Zephyr

[Wiseblood 24,637]

13 minutes ago, Dee Zephyr said:

It was interesting listening to Lewis on 360 last night. They showed the behind the goals footage to him of the last 25 seconds and asked him why he was sitting off Menzel. 

Lewis said a team would usually go through the corridor with little time remaining in order to get the ball forward as quickly as possible. His thought was he needed to guard the corridor.

When the boys went through the review on Monday he realised he should have gone to Menzel towards the boundary but also said if you want to give up a kick it would be best to do it wide. 

It sounded like he took some heat from Goody during the review. That’s the way I read it anyway.

It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation really. If he goes to Menzel and they find someone free in the corridor, then you would be asking why he didn't guard that space instead. 

Bottom line for me is that we should have never let the ball out of our forward line in that last minute, and some poor decisions in that last minute allowed it to happen.

[Devil is in the Detail 883]

26 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation really. If he goes to Menzel and they find someone free in the corridor, then you would be asking why he didn't guard that space instead. 

Bottom line for me is that we should have never let the ball out of our forward line in that last minute, and some poor decisions in that last minute allowed it to happen.

The bottom line for me is that we should have never given up a 5 goal lead.

[SFebes 4,884]

I can't remember it now and seeing it's Wednesday it's my move on day, but should Brayshaw have been paid in the back from Ablett?

[Roost It 1,434]

16 minutes ago, MSFebey said:

I can't remember it now and seeing it's Wednesday it's my move on day, but should Brayshaw have been paid in the back from Ablett?

Yes but umpires very very rarely pay those frees at such a critical stage. 

[SFebes 4,884]

Just now, Roost It said:

Yes but umpires very very rarely pay those frees at such a critical stage. 

That's a good point Roost, during the game they're happy to pay them and then you're right. Not that we can blame that decision, should never have got to that but just couldn't remember. Let's tear the hearts out of Adelaide now.

[Deemania since 56 6,636]

On 7/23/2018 at 8:12 PM, DemonOX said:

I really hate geelong. 

1. Hope we make finals

2. Hope we meet Geelong in the first round 

3. Hope we beat those [censored] and stick it right up em  

They are a bunch of sooks and cry babies. 

Just presume that we did make the finals and yes, Geelong were the team we played against in the first round as you suggest.(I mean, it is a possible scenario, even now.)

Could we also presume with any legitimacy that the umpires might suddenly improve in their balance of decisions between MFC and GFC? Would the umpires do so more fairly, consistently and not so blatantly affect the outcome of the game - or prevent a Geelong loss through their inteference? Whaddya reckon?

[Roost It 1,434]

 

3 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Just presume that we did make the finals and yes, Geelong were the team we played against in the first round as you suggest.(I mean, it is a possible scenario, even now.)

Could we also presume with any legitimacy that the umpires might suddenly improve in their balance of decisions between MFC and GFC? Would the umpires do so more fairly, consistently and not so blatantly affect the outcome of the game - or prevent a Geelong loss through their inteference? Whaddya reckon?

The umpiring did not cost us that game

[Deemania since 56 6,636]

4 minutes ago, MSFebey said:

That's a good point Roost, during the game they're happy to pay them and then you're right. Not that we can blame that decision, should never have got to that but just couldn't remember. Let's tear the hearts out of Adelaide now.

It would almost seem as if the decisions that they dish out during the game are not actually legitimate but work to even the score by keeping a team like Geelong in contact...and that the umpires do not pay these decisions as frequently in the critical last quarters because the intended result would be in jeopardy.

[SFebes 4,884]

2 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

It would almost seem as if the decisions that they dish out during the game are not actually legitimate but work to even the score by keeping a team like Geelong in contact...and that the umpires do not pay these decisions as frequently in the critical last quarters because the intended result would be in jeopardy.

I think they try and even up all games, it's a real thing, AFL doesn't want blow outs.

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,775]

Brayshaw re-signs 4 years

Just on Twitter

[DemonOX 8,791]

10 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Just presume that we did make the finals and yes, Geelong were the team we played against in the first round as you suggest.(I mean, it is a possible scenario, even now.)

Could we also presume with any legitimacy that the umpires might suddenly improve in their balance of decisions between MFC and GFC? Would the umpires do so more fairly, consistently and not so blatantly affect the outcome of the game - or prevent a Geelong loss through their inteference? Whaddya reckon?

Even with the bad umpiring we should have never lost that game after being up by 29 in the last.

My attitude is ignore bad ump decisions and just keep doing what we did to get in front by 29 points. 

Btw Gus just signed a 4 yr extension.  

Awesome news. 

[Deemania since 56 6,636]

24 minutes ago, Roost It said:

 

The umpiring did not cost us that game

Holistically, they sure did! Saw it appearing in the first, second and third quarters where we built a lead in the game by an impressive margin - with an allegedly 'lesser side' than Geelong. With a 'lesser' game plan. The final quarter decisions almost en masse were the icing on the intended cake. 

Edited July 24, 2018 by Deemania since 56

[Clintosaurus 7,845]

Free kicks were 7-1 to the Cats in the second quarter. Kept them in the game. 

[SFebes 4,884]

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2018-07-24/crook-rooke-and-co-move-on-

Let's move on, it hurt enough!

[Deemania since 56 6,636]

9 minutes ago, CelebratingJade said:

Brayshaw re-signs 4 years

Just on Twitter

Brilliant! 

[Deemania since 56 6,636]

On 7/24/2018 at 8:22 AM, SPC said:

Broken collar bone, shoulder blade ribs and rists. Hit a kangaroo at Kyneton on a 600 ninja at 100kms. Back into the ward to watch last qtr.. cried relief and disappointment. Sometimes game means more.. 

this message took me 10 minutes to type.

Horrible! Best wishes for a speedy and complete recovery, SPC, from us all.