Tyson is on the table come October was the word around the Northern Stand today.

We're that far off fugazi territory its [censored] ridiculous 

1 hour ago, Skuit said:

Angus was having a sook about not being selected. Even those at Casey commented on it. Goody may have felt that it was important for Brayshaw's personal development to reflect on why he wasn't being selected and adjust his attitude. Other posters are insinuating that our players are receiving no feedback at all - which is just out and out nonsense as a smear on Goodwin. 

Sorry Skuit but it's from sources directly. Do you know for sure that it's 100% nonsense? Because I for one can personally guarantee that it's not 'nonsense'.

No one is 'smearing' Goodwin....not yet

15 minutes ago, the rolling fog said:

Tyson is on the table come October was the word around the Northern Stand today.

We're that far off fugazi territory its [censored] ridiculous 

Tyson must be on the table and possibly with someone / something else to try and get us a Pick in the Top 25. Let’s say Gold Coast lose both Lynch & May, well we might be able to bundle Tyson & Frost or Keilty for their 2nd rounder which would be about Pick 20/21. 

1 minute ago, goodwindees said:

Tyson must be on the table and possibly with someone / something else to try and get us a Pick in the Top 25. Let’s say Gold Coast lose both Lynch & May, well we might be able to bundle Tyson & Frost or Keilty for their 2nd rounder which would be about Pick 20/21. 

Tyson and a pick to be more specific, Goodwindees. 

Very good sauces FYI...because everyone seems hung up on that here tonight.

1 minute ago, the rolling fog said:

Sorry Skuit but it's from sources directly. Do you know for sure that it's 100% nonsense? Because I for one can personally guarantee that it's not 'nonsense'.

No one is 'smearing' Goodwin....not yet

For you to make such a personal guarantee either Simon told you himself or you are one of our listed players. And even then, I can't entirely trust that it's not just a matter of you not listening properly to what Goodwin is trying to tell you. We do appear to have some rather stupid players based on the available evidence. And credulous hangers-on. 

8 minutes ago, goodwindees said:

Tyson must be on the table and possibly with someone / something else to try and get us a Pick in the Top 25. Let’s say Gold Coast lose both Lynch & May, well we might be able to bundle Tyson & Frost or Keilty for their 2nd rounder which would be about Pick 20/21. 

Excuse my ignorance. Can rookie listed players be traded?

Edited July 1, 20186 yr by Dee Zephyr

To be fair on Petty, our game plan, or lack of one, didn't help. Out coached again, the ease in which they transferred play and went from defensive 50 to attacking 50 was a disgrace, they isolated Petty with a stronger opponent or Omac with a faster one and delivered the ball accordingly. They hit their targets going forward, we just bombed it and hoped for the best. ?

I found it quite distressing watching his debut today - I felt sick for him and I'm sure nothing anybody could do or say will make him feel any better tonight .

I had to turn away as I watched his left foot kick dribble off his boot in the second term because I have seen him train and I know his kicking is normally one of his strengths.

Some of you will remember the debut of Chris Lamb back in 1999 when he played the first two games of the season. Lamb was a high draft pick but just 18 and we needed a tall because I think Shanahan was injured. Can anyone else recall how he stubbed his toe on the ball trying to kick it one time and you just knew he was never going to live it down - at least in his head. He didn't play for another two years and despite a good turn of speed, he never really overcame that horror debut. What's worse is that he had to back up the next week because the coach was hopeful that his nerves would be overcome. They weren't. And it's worse for a defender because you can't hide away on a wing and pick up some lazy touches.

Time will tell if Harry can overcome what happened. 

I am a bit worried that Goody will get all stubborn and decide to play him again next week, hoping he will show his true form. But I'm sorry the psychological damage of rushing a player in can be huge and your mindset, once shattered, doesn't change that quickly and we can't afford another loss.

What needs to happen is that Harrison needs to play in the VFL finals and get his confidence back. Provided he has a good strong pre-season, he then needs to be given a shot in pre-season games so that he can get a taste of what AFL is like before his next main stage performance.

If Goody thinks he can play him again this season, he's a bigger dill than when he used to gamble his earning away. 

Sadly he now has to go to the player whose manic play at times frustrates him - welcome back Sam Frost. 

Kade Simpson did not have a single disposal in his first three games. Wonder what Blues supporters were saying then?

12 hours ago, Demon17 said:

Hannan's selection and position this week was the most puzzling and showed in the game. Flying in packs,  etc. 2 disposals to 1/2 time.

Both will be at Casey next week or the club is not serious. 

My money is on club not serious

10 hours ago, DV8 said:

Why do you say that PF. 

But, There is one similarity between the 2.

 

Both were/are trimming the list, and building it to be better in the future.   Both trying the players, literally. In both senses.  Watt better way to sort wheat from chaff.

 

Who says the Footy Dept' are on the same page as you PF,,,  Re our teams position and readiness for the Big Dance???????

IMO we are not, and are still a little way off Re the List.  bathwater in plastic bottles  should be banned around Mfc.

 

We can play very well, when let do it by other teams.  When not, we still can't. 

Front-Runner is still in our DNA, at this point.

 

BUT we're getting better every season, as witnessed by the ladder differences in the past 3 years.

Mark my words, Jaded.   Mfc WILL play in September, in 2018 AFL premiership season finals .

I'll take that bet against your hope dv8 - what odds

9 hours ago, jumbo returns said:

If, big if, he is not communicating with his players, I believe he will lose them

I know for a fact that he nearly lost them six weeks ago

I reckon someone is having a lend of you bigtime.

Are we the only club where the supporters get selection right more often than the match committee?

Their selections defy logic sometimes.

Edited July 1, 20186 yr by Petraccattack

Richmond are kings of the MCG.  They won a flag with help from their fleet of small crumbing goalkickers.  Nobody was able to counter them.

Meanwhile, we don't play a single crumber the last few weeks. And predictably we continue to suck at the MCG.

Its not rocket science.

4 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

I reckon someone is having a lend of you bigtime.

You've said that before - and you may right

What if you're wrong?

We would have to be the most damaged supporters on the planet

Just now, jumbo returns said:

You've said that before - and you may right

What if you're wrong?

We would have to be the most damaged supporters on the planet

You might be.

The knock on Melbourne circa 2016 and onwards was pure and simple, a lack of outside speed.  Only a few posters here have been concerned with it over the journey.  This was one critical reason that I cautioned against the Lewis trade:  he was always going to make a slow team, even slower.  With Frost and Hunt (pre-injury) playing for Casey, and then you have Lewis, Vince (up to Port game), Tyson and co playing ones, it baffles me.

St.Kilda exposed our lack of defensive spread to the whole footy world yesterday.  Expect all teams below us to take us on with play-on, switching, and rebound footy from defensive 50.  Goodwin thinks its a lack of effort?  Maybe guys like Harmes and Hogan don't run back to defend hard enough, but we don't have the capacity to defensively spread.  We need speed behind the ball, not leadership.

 

 

 

 

51 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Richmond are kings of the MCG.  They won a flag with help from their fleet of small crumbing goalkickers.  Nobody was able to counter them.

Meanwhile, we don't play a single crumber the last few weeks. And predictably we continue to suck at the MCG.

Its not rocket science.

It is if you're apparently as dopey as our FD.

1+1=11. "Why rocket no fly to moon?"

26 minutes ago, TGR said:

The knock on Melbourne circa 2016 and onwards was pure and simple, a lack of outside speed.  Only a few posters here have been concerned with it over the journey.  This was one critical reason that I cautioned against the Lewis trade:  he was always going to make a slow team, even slower.  With Frost and Hunt (pre-injury) playing for Casey, and then you have Lewis, Vince (up to Port game), Tyson and co playing ones, it baffles me.

St.Kilda exposed our lack of defensive spread to the whole footy world yesterday.  Expect all teams below us to take us on with play-on, switching, and rebound footy from defensive 50.  Goodwin thinks its a lack of effort?  Maybe guys like Harmes and Hogan don't run back to defend hard enough, but we don't have the capacity to defensively spread.  We need speed behind the ball, not leadership.

 

 

 

 

Who do we trade out/in for speed around the ground. That could be a fun thread

Tyson my #1 out (no offence to him personally).

Harry Petty can be excused. Total stagefright. First game. No support from a lazy midfield. What's Oscar's excuse? He was just as poor, he was poor against Port and even worse against Cox. Slow and lazy. Oscar should not be learning his craft in the AFL. He should be learning at Casey.

We didn't lose because of Petty (or Weideman) we lost the game in the midfield.  Like QB their overlap run and spread allowed them to score freely.

That said, our balance wasn't right and the extra tall in the forward-line didn't work.

13 minutes ago, the pearl said:

Harry Petty can be excused. Total stagefright. First game. No support from a lazy midfield. What's Oscar's excuse? He was just as poor, he was poor against Port and even worse against Cox. Slow and lazy. Oscar should not be learning his craft in the AFL. He should be learning at Casey.

I agree, Petty can't be dropped for the rest of the team minus Gawn going to pieces

Is it right that reports of no one offering him on ground support/reassurance is true?

If so, the leadership group needs the riot act read. Unacceptable.

10 hours ago, the rolling fog said:

Tyson is on the table come October was the word around the Northern Stand today.

 

Would get us around pick 30, same as Watts.

41 minutes ago, timbo said:

I agree, Petty can't be dropped for the rest of the team minus Gawn going to pieces

Is it right that reports of no one offering him on ground support/reassurance is true?

If so, the leadership group needs the riot act read. Unacceptable.

I made that observation.  It didn't look like it on the foxtel broadcast.  Those at the ground would have a broader view.  Will leave it to them to comment on the extent of support provided on the field.

Edited July 2, 20186 yr by Lucifer's Hero

I have thought and thought about this and for the life of me i cant understand some stuff whats going on, and i am confident enough in my knowledge of the game to raise them seriously, and i am happy for the answers from anyone, i am not being a smart alec, i am genuinely perplexed. ere are my thoughts:

We get the ball inside 50 more than any other team and we play 3 talls and 3 flankers

We are the only team in the comp that currently does not play a traditional small forward, yet we refuse to do anything other than bomb the ball to the same place and watch our talls and flankers fly for the ball.. now if this is the plan, wouldn't it be smart to say to a small forward, just be at the base oft he pack, it will come to ground, you will get chances, in fact i would go so far as to say that playing as a small forward in Melbourne's side might be the easiest of all positions. you wont have to go looking for crumbs, they will be there almost every time in to goes inside 50. its doing my head in.

Goodwin and his "genius" mates in the coaches box need to stop trying to be smart with Tom McDonald and Jesse Hogan. McDonald must play out of the square, Hogan as a CHF (or vice versa)  McDonald strength is he leads towards the ball. how can he do that on the wing? Hogan looks like the last 3 weeks his role is to play between the kicker and the pack.. in no mans land.

 

Oscar McDonald has had a good year, but he is still a liability down there..he need support, how they selected Petty is actually mind boggling and i know hindsight is wonderful, but why the rush to play the kid, whats wrong with letting a key back develop like we do with key forwards. 

And i have been a fan of Lewis, yes he does infuriate alot of fans, but i have backed him in always, but i think he is out of form and has checked out. Last week when there was blue at half time and he was walking off getting IV by Ch7, i hated that, i would have rather him brush the IV off and run in and back his team. that was a red flag for me. I think his time is up, but what will matter is if Goodwin has the balls to drop him. 

And why one of our leaders and natural ball winning competitors was tagging someone while our other number 1 ball winner wa sbeing tagged is beyong extrodinary, and how it took so long fo rthat to be released even worse.

Just some of my frustrations right there, if anyone has the answers that would be great. And for whats it worth i have always thought we are a 10th-6th paced side, not because we are no good, but the comp is so even from 2nd-12th.. but we are blowing our chances again of even being 8th.. and that breaks me.

 

Edited July 2, 20186 yr by Demon3