Delisting, Trade and FA discussion 2018

[DemonLad5 1,642]

I know this thread is already VERY premature, but considering we've got the bye this week I thought it'd be a good time to think about how our list may shape up beyond this year

POTENTIAL DELISTING (all players out of contract after 2018)

Dion Johnstone (probable)

Jay Kennedy-Harris (probable)

Patrick McKenna (probable)

Aaron Vandenberg (possible)

Mitch King (possible)

Josh Wagner (unlikely)

 

POTENTIAL RETIRE 

Bernie Vince (probable)

Cameron Pederson (probable)

 

POTENTIAL TRADE OUT

Dean Kent (possible)

Dom Tyson (unlikely)

 

POTENTIAL TRADE IN

Andrew Gaff (possible)

Ed Langdon (unlikely)

 

Thoughts? Any other rumours and stuff leave down there ?

[DeleteUser 638]

Others have reported Johnstone has been training well and playing with Casey, and doing some good stuff with Lord Nev @ training?

What is the rationale for delisting?

[DemonLad5 1,642]

31 minutes ago, timbo said:

Others have reported Johnstone has been training well and playing with Casey, and doing some good stuff with Lord Nev @ training?

What is the rationale for delisting?

Low performances in the VFL really. Doesn't seem like he's close to getting a game. Gotta open up list spaces somehow

[Young Blood 2,639]

Agree I think Dion who just turned 20 needs a bit more time to see if he can develop a role for the club.

I know its obvious but we won't know until the end of the year, its really hard to pick potential delisted players especially like AVB, McKenna, Kent who will be given a chance to prove themselves once fit.

Wagner is definitely staying. I would imagine he will be a required player with Lewis/Vince retirement not too far away.

At this stage the only clear one to me is JKH. Has been given a fair of time/development and opportunity and while he can find the ball I just think we have so much midfield depth now he is no longer required. I think Maynard at 26 could also be an option but I'd say they would give him another year considering he hasn't as long in the system/game of AFL.

 

[Demon_JB 1,389]

My mail is that we are looking heavily into out of favour Mitch Wallis as a free agent at seasons end.

[Redleg 41,933]

9 minutes ago, juzzk1d said:

My mail is that we are looking heavily into out of favour Mitch Wallis as a free agent at seasons end.

Always liked him.

[DeleteUser 638]

33 minutes ago, juzzk1d said:

My mail is that we are looking heavily into out of favour Mitch Wallis as a free agent at seasons end.

Always love a bit of mail.

You should see our mailman. Rocks the short shorts in his Hilux like a weapon. How short are your shorts?

[Older demon 2,799]

You didn't mention Balic! I thought he was on a 1 year contract for this year. Agree McKenna if he cannot get on the park and similarly Vandenberg and when Gaff nominates MFC I suspect JHKH will be surplus too.

Mitch King is a ruckman and they need time so doubt they would discard. Bernie and Pedo might get another year. Then there might be a left field decision like Jack Watts last year which no-one saw coming

 

[dazzledavey36 55,853]

58 minutes ago, juzzk1d said:

My mail is that we are looking heavily into out of favour Mitch Wallis as a free agent at seasons end.

Dont mind this.. he'll add experience to our on ball brigade and we're at a point now where we need to start to looking at life after Nathan Jones. With that I'd like to start to ease him out onto an outside role or a half forward while we get the likes of Brayshaw, Petracca, Spargo more on ball time.

[Lucifers Hero 40,509]

17 minutes ago, Older demon said:

You didn't mention Balic! I thought he was on a 1 year contract for this year. Agree McKenna if he cannot get on the park and similarly Vandenberg and when Gaff nominates MFC I suspect JHKH will be surplus too.

Mitch King is a ruckman and they need time so doubt they would discard. Bernie and Pedo might get another year. Then there might be a left field decision like Jack Watts last year which no-one saw coming

I have a horrible feeling that might be Tyson.  He doesn't draw the attention Watts did so the media don't ask too many questions but their are some unsettling similarities.

[SFebes 4,884]

I think we should be targeting players like Kelly, Polec, Burgoyne, Impey, Isaac Smith, Cameron, Stephenson type players. Unsure who's out there and on the market, will brainstorm later tonight.

[Little Richard 6,265]

49 minutes ago, SFebey said:

I think we should be targeting players like Kelly, Polec, Burgoyne, Impey, Isaac Smith, Cameron, Stephenson type players. Unsure who's out there and on the market, will brainstorm later tonight.

Gaff.

[SFebes 4,884]

7 minutes ago, Luther said:

Gaff.

Haha, I can't believe I actually forgot him! I don't think he's as quick as people reckon but I haven't watched him this year yet.

[DeeSpencer 26,265]

Lucifer's contract template

[DeeSpencer 26,265]

Sign immediately: Brayshaw, Jetta, Oscar, Harmes 

Probably stay: T Smith, Balic

Could go either way: Kent, Keilty, Wagner, Vanders, Flippers, King, Johnstone, McKenna

Probably go: Bugg, Vince, JKH, Pedersen

As far as contracted players: Frost, Stretch and Tyson the three most likely to seek trades I would've thought, unsure there will be much interest for any of them. And we might want to investigate moving Garlett.

[Moonshadow 17,678]

Gee there's some decent names coming out of contact in 2019. Need to lock away a few this year if possible, Hogan particularly 

[Mondê 525]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-06-15/comment-why-murphy-should-consider-the-dees

Any interest in Murphy? 31 next month, doesn't seem like a optimal fit for our list profile however he has elite decision making. Gaff a priority but not against giving Murphy a look in if we don't break the bank in doing so.

[SFebes 4,884]

13 minutes ago, Mondê said:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-06-15/comment-why-murphy-should-consider-the-dees

Any interest in Murphy? 31 next month, doesn't seem like a optimal fit for our list profile however he has elite decision making. Gaff a priority but not against giving Murphy a look in if we don't break the bank in doing so.

Not for me.

[Lucifers Hero 40,509]

8 minutes ago, Mondê said:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-06-15/comment-why-murphy-should-consider-the-dees

Any interest in Murphy? 31 next month, doesn't seem like a optimal fit for our list profile however he has elite decision making. Gaff a priority but not against giving Murphy a look in if we don't break the bank in doing so.

I saw that and thought:  not for us.

He is 31 in a few weeks and had a plantar fascia injury a few months ago.  Came back early and immediately did more damage and now out for at least 2-3 weeks.  It sounds similar to our own JV situation so MM could be out a lot longer. 

At least Jack has time and youth on his side.  With Murphy one is never too sure how many he games he would get to play before he retires. 

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,525]

24 minutes ago, Mondê said:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-06-15/comment-why-murphy-should-consider-the-dees

Any interest in Murphy? 31 next month, doesn't seem like a optimal fit for our list profile however he has elite decision making. Gaff a priority but not against giving Murphy a look in if we don't break the bank in doing so.

There was 'crazy' talk a month or son ago about Murphy possibly being offered big money that could earn the Blues and band 1 or 2 compensation pick.  That would be insanity for any club to pay overs for Murphy.  With that said, Murphy could opt for two years at a successful or 'verge of success' club on a small contract - essentially trading the cash for success.

If he was willing to come to us on such a contract, then I'd be happy to have him.  (But I very much doubt he'd leave)

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,525]

18 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Sign immediately: Brayshaw, Jetta, Oscar, Harmes 

Probably stay: T Smith, Balic

Could go either way: Kent, Keilty, Wagner, Vanders, Flippers, King, Johnstone, McKenna

Probably go: Bugg, Vince, JKH, Pedersen

As far as contracted players: Frost, Stretch and Tyson the three most likely to seek trades I would've thought, unsure there will be much interest for any of them. And we might want to investigate moving Garlett.

The ruck situation is a worry, with both of our developing or 'project' ruckmen being on the 'could go either way' list.

Hopefully there's some unsighted potential there and we can keep at least one of them on and look to trade in a mature ruck to help out.

It's looking very thin below Gawn and we need King or Filipovic to show something in the second half of the season.

[Mondê 525]

1 minute ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

There was 'crazy' talk a month or son ago about Murphy possibly being offered big money that could earn the Blues and band 1 or 2 compensation pick.  That would be insanity for any club to pay overs for Murphy.  With that said, Murphy could opt for two years at a successful or 'verge of success' club on a small contract - essentially trading the cash for success.

If he was willing to come to us on such a contract, then I'd be happy to have him.  (But I very much doubt he'd leave)

I think given his age that notion would be promptly dismissed by the AFL. 

Goodwin's mantra of "When you win the ball on the inside, the outside game comes naturally" rings true, however even when we win that area I still believe we are lacking one forward half distributor in Melksham's mould. Too often when the pressure is ramped up, we bomb away inside 50. It is as clear as day. Someone who lowers the eyes under pressure and can hit a moving forward 50 target is a priority for me in the coming off season.

[Deeoldfart 8,104]

14 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

The ruck situation is a worry, with both of our developing or 'project' ruckmen being on the 'could go either way' list.

Hopefully there's some unsighted potential there and we can keep at least one of them on and look to trade in a mature ruck to help out.

It's looking very thin below Gawn and we need King or Filipovic to show something in the second half of the season.

............ and don't forget longer-term prospect Austin Bradtke. 

[poita 3,908]

Delist: McKenna, Vandenberg, Kennedy-Harris, Johnstone, and one or both of King / Filipovic

Retire: Vince

Trade/Delist: Kent or Bugg

Retain on short-term deals: Keilty, Balic, Smith, Pedersen, Wagner

Resign on long-term deals: Brayshaw, Harmes, Jetta, McDonald

That gives a minimum of seven picks across the national draft and rookie draft before further trades. I hope we can keep Tyson, but Frost would be surely looking for more opportunities.

Clearly Kent has small trade value and Bugg no trade value, but I can't see the value in keeping both. Maynard is very lucky he has a contract for next year, because I can't see him getting a game unless we have a truck load of injuries.

If it was up to me I would delist both ruckmen and find a decent mature age state league ruckman. King and Filipovic are light years away from being AFL ruckmen, and even then they'd be more likely to be poached by another team before Gawn retires.

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,525]

1 hour ago, Deeoldfart said:

............ and don't forget longer-term prospect Austin Bradtke. 

I did forget about him!

At 204cm and a lot of power in the genes from his mum and dad, he'll hopefully come along in 4-5 years.