38 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

I keep hearing "Two first round picks", and it frustrates me because that is a skewed reading of the trade. 

The trade was (simplified) 2 first round picks for Lever and a second round pick. Effectively it was giving a first round pick next year and downgrading our first pick this year. Or like trading our first round pick next year for 2 second rounders this year.

It is actually almost the same deal as giving up a first and second round pick outright. 

I heard some logic that the Lever deal was bad because we gave up next year's first rounder which we could spend on a proven quality player.

Well, that's what we did this year!!

Why sit on our hands for a year?

Patton: a good plan executed today is better than a perfect plan executed next week.

20 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I would have thought every kid named Jake would have the nickname "Snake". I know we regularly refer to Melksham as "Milkshake" but I wonder whether his real nickname is also "Snake". Anyone know?

Snake Milkshake has a ring to it....

3 minutes ago, old dee said:

My God does this Watts thing ever stop?

surely everyone has had there 5 cents worth by now.

 

Inflation OD.

It's up to 6 cents now and we're spending our last cent.

13 hours ago, jackaub said:

How about we sell bruise free footy

That might work??

We already tried that for 7 years. Didn't work. 

Just now, small but forward said:

Snake Milkshake has a ring to it....

Not sure that flavour does a lot for me.

Just now, old dee said:

My God does this Watts thing ever stop?

surely everyone has had there 5 cents worth by now.

 

Love and hate are unstoppable forces OD.

Just don't click on anything with the name Watts and you will be much happier. 

The populist media still churns out stuff about Princess Di.

I have no doubt that the nature of the Jack Watts story means that the talk fest will continue into eternity.  

13 hours ago, Skuit said:

Literacy programs?

LOL - we actually do have a literacy program! - read like a demon

http://deezone.com.au/news/latest-news

1 minute ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Inflation OD.

It's up to 6 cents now and we're spending our last cent.

Most have spent $5 M R.

20 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I would have thought every kid named Jake would have the nickname "Snake". I know we regularly refer to Melksham as "Milkshake" but I wonder whether his real nickname is also "Snake". Anyone know?

Doesn't that depend on the size of their ... erm ... "fang"?

1 minute ago, hemingway said:

Love and hate are unstoppable forces OD.

Just don't click on anything with the name Watts and you will be much happier. 

The populist media still churns out stuff about Princess Di.

I have no doubt that the nature of the Jack Watts story means that the talk fest will continue into eternity.  

If only it was that simple Ernest ever thread somehow gets turned into a JW rant.

 

7 minutes ago, hemingway said:

Love and hate are unstoppable forces OD.

Just don't click on anything with the name Watts and you will be much happier. 

The populist media still churns out stuff about Princess Di.

I have no doubt that the nature of the Jack Watts story means that the talk fest will continue into eternity.  

Are you blaming Jack Watts for Princess Di's death now Ernest? That is an angle I hadn't heard before ...

5 minutes ago, old dee said:

If only it was that simple Ernest ever thread somehow gets turned into a JW rant.

 

Perhaps a Phd thesis on "why we love Jack".

I can see you are just the man. 

There is enough materail from the lovers and haters. 

We can read your theories chapter by chapter each week on DL.

And of course your final chapter will have no definitive conclusion. 

 

3 minutes ago, Red and Bluebeard said:

Are you blaming Jack Watts for Princess Di's death now Ernest? That is an angle I hadn't heard before ...

Actually they would have made a nice couple but there again, given the age difference perhaps mother and son.

4 minutes ago, hemingway said:

Perhaps a Phd thesis on "why we love Jack".

I can see you are just the man. 

There is enough materail from the lovers and haters. 

We can read your theories chapter by chapter each week on DL.

And of course your final chapter will have no definitive conclusion. 

 

That will be a very long book Hemingway! Not sure what the conclusion will be.

Just now, hemingway said:

Actually they would have made a nice couple but there again, given the age difference perhaps mother and son.

Prince Jack? Interesting take ... Jack certainly has the Hollywood looks for it.

Just now, Jibroni said:

That will be a very long book Hemingway! Not sure what the conclusion will be.

Depends who writes it.

Maybe two conclusions one from Chewy or Picket and the other from Junior or PD.

2 minutes ago, Jibroni said:

That will be a very long book Hemingway! Not sure what the conclusion will be.

There will be no conclusion. It will be the world's first infinitely long PhD thesis ...

3 hours ago, BAMF said:

Not positive here, but I think PJ is referring to the points system the AFL assign draft picks for father son/academy picks.

That's how I understand it also. And picks 4 or 5 seem fair.

However, we pride ourselves on being 'fair' when we could've been ruthless, it's the same at the tribunal. The honourable club. At some stage PJ will surely cash these chips?

1 hour ago, old dee said:

My God does this Watts thing ever stop?

surely everyone has had there 5 cents worth by now.

????????????????

 

1 hour ago, old dee said:

My God does this Watts thing ever stop?

surely everyone has had there 5 cents worth by now.

 

 

1 hour ago, The Chazz said:

I'll go as deep as required - we wanted him gone, there was one buyer, they only have so many picks to offer, we got the best deal that Port could come up with.

Some might think he was worth a pick in the 20s.  Reality is, there would be no chance that Port was going to offload other player/s to move up the draft order to suit our demands.  They only had pick 31 to deal with, and we accepted it and wiped our hands clean of another wasted number 1 pick of "that" era (other than than 15% of his salary over the next two years).

 

Hey CHAZ,    it was finish read my comments, like l replied l thanked their input and now yours. Not happy with 2nd round .

Its the FORUM and you involved yourself.   SO ?????????????

2 hours ago, Axis of Bob said:

I keep hearing "Two first round picks", and it frustrates me because that is a skewed reading of the trade. 

The trade was (simplified) 2 first round picks for Lever and a second round pick. Effectively it was giving a first round pick next year and downgrading our first pick this year. Or like trading our first round pick next year for 2 second rounders this year.

It is actually almost the same deal as giving up a first and second round pick outright. 

If we have picks 10, 27, 45, 63 and will take 3 selections, then 

Trade 2nd rounder: 10, 45, 63
Trade 1st rounder and get 2nd back: 27, 35, 45

It's 10 + 63 vs 27 + 35

Edited October 25, 20178 yr by Fifty-5

19 hours ago, binman said:

What he said.

And PJ for that matter. We are at a huge disadvantage. Look at what the tigers have at Punt road. Punt Road plays a huge role in that club - it is their foundation and is a big part of their identity .

I suspect the Lexus center does not work for the pies and Vic park would be much better. Where would pies fan go if they won a flag (shudder). I suspect Vic park not that rather soulless place they have now. Would work great for us though. The practice match and VFL game there i saw was terrific. It would be perfect for us

They won in 2010 - pretty sure they didn't take the celebrations to Vic Park then though I could be wrong

2 hours ago, nosoupforme said:

The evidence is there he finished 21st. However I can go into this deeper . l wont .

Thanks for your opinion.

Salem played the same number of games as Watts and beat him in the B&F. Pederson played one less and beat Watts. Get over it - he's just not that good.

9 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

They won in 2010 - pretty sure they didn't take the celebrations to Vic Park then though I could be wrong

the wonders of Google

seems like they went to AAMI Park as it was then called:

"Earlier, tens of thousands of fans congratulated the team who were presented to the crowd at AAMI Park at about 8pm. "

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/afl/collingwood-player-live-it-up-at-aami-stadium/news-story/1fe215a7b0b16111289e1a0ac9775f64?sv=4d6b7ef20e1f311c160642caded2aec8

Edited October 25, 20178 yr by Diamond_Jim

51 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

If we have picks 10, 27, 45, 63 and will take 3 selections, then 

Trade 2nd rounder: 10, 45, 63
Trade 1st rounder and get 2nd back: 27, 35, 45

It's 10 + 63 vs 27 + 35

More specifically with our plans this draft to take 4 picks where we started with 10, 27, 45, 63, 81

After compensation picks ...

Watts pick in 31, Balic pick out 66 ...

Trade 2nd rounder: 10, 31, 47, 84
Trade 1st rounder and get Crows 2nd back: 29, 31, 36, 47

It's actually 10 + 84 vs 29 + 36

Edited October 25, 20178 yr by Fifty-5

Jake the Shake = Melksham

Jake the Snake = Spencil Lever

Hope this helps