28 minutes ago, Akum said:

Most of the list probably had 6 ordinary games in 2017. 

Many of our list haven't improved their ball use over a few seasons. But that doesn't seem to matter - ball use clearly isn't something that we consider important. Nor does running off the ball, nor making intelligent leads, nor stopping your opponent from being third man up in the marking contest. Nor shepherding, nor blocking for teammates.

It's all about smashing in for contested ball, or bombing it into the f50. 

I agree with the points here...

But in fairness you are and from the outside you can only assuming these things weren't taught or coached. There could be reasons why execution wasn't perfect through out the season.

 

 

 

Edited September 26, 20178 yr by Unleash Hell

2 hours ago, Unleash Hell said:

I agree with the points here...

But in fairness you are and from the outside you can only assuming these things weren't taught or coached. There could be reasons why execution wasn't perfect through out the season.

I suppose my point is that while Watts & Salem seemed to be punished for not smashing in, only the fringe players like Wagner & White ever seemed to be punished for not taking due care with their ball use. Yes, I think that for some of them (Viney & Tyson for a start) their execution was affected by injuries they carried. But that's also true of Watts & Salem, who were clearly hampered against GWS but took the rap for the debacle nevertheless.

9 hours ago, rpfc said:

This should go in the Goodwin thread. Every fan thinks there team does things 'that good teams don't do' but we are different - we know.

 

Funny, as reading that thought exactly that. 

7 hours ago, Akum said:

I suppose my point is that while Watts & Salem seemed to be punished for not smashing in, only the fringe players like Wagner & White ever seemed to be punished for not taking due care with their ball use. Yes, I think that for some of them (Viney & Tyson for a start) their execution was affected by injuries they carried. But that's also true of Watts & Salem, who were clearly hampered against GWS but took the rap for the debacle nevertheless.

Sorry I must have missed something.... who blamed Watts ans Salem? 

 

8 hours ago, Akum said:

I suppose my point is that while Watts & Salem seemed to be punished for not smashing in, only the fringe players like Wagner & White ever seemed to be punished for not taking due care with their ball use. Yes, I think that for some of them (Viney & Tyson for a start) their execution was affected by injuries they carried. But that's also true of Watts & Salem, who were clearly hampered against GWS but took the rap for the debacle nevertheless.

Watts and Salem were singled out for not committing to some contests.

Some are singled out for not hitting targets

Some committed undisciplined acts

Some failed to run hard enough.

It is what its is, calling it anything else helps no-one.

It is by recognising these issues and calling them out that we get better.  Players get opportunities to improve these issues according to KPIs delivered by managers. 

Like all employee/manager relationships when an issue continues to cause problems decisions need to be made by managers to take stronger action.

These decisions are made to strengthen the team unit.

i support strengthening the team unit sufficiently to win a premiership.

"He ran so hard from the midfield,Jack Watts when he saw he could get on the end of that"...& a minute or so later got his hand to a certain goal from Collingwood....on that commentary alone .....he's a keeper for me. Unlike many on here I have learnt to temper my expectations....if he hadn't been a No 1 there would be such less angst...I just look at him who when he plays his best ..def best 22....similar to the majority of players at our club. I know this is a discussion forum ....but the amount of discussion regarding Jack Watts that pop up in subject discussions that start off with no relevance to him but somehow end up being all about him is frankly quite "staggering" 

1 hour ago, Stretch Johnson said:

Watts and Salem were singled out for not committing to some contests.

Some are singled out for not hitting targets

Some committed undisciplined acts

Some failed to run hard enough.

It is what its is, calling it anything else helps no-one.

It is by recognising these issues and calling them out that we get better.  Players get opportunities to improve these issues according to KPIs delivered by managers. 

Like all employee/manager relationships when an issue continues to cause problems decisions need to be made by managers to take stronger action.

These decisions are made to strengthen the team unit.

i support strengthening the team unit sufficiently to win a premiership.

Here, here, SJ.

Watts as good as gone according to Waldron on Hungry for Sport  SEN. On $500,000 apprently and needs to be moved to make way for Lever.

Edited September 27, 20178 yr by DSP

13 minutes ago, DSP said:

Watts as good as gone according to Waldron on Hungry for Sport  SEN. On $500,000 apprently and needs to be moved to make way for Lever.

So, the Dees sign him for 3 years and then one year in realise they can't afford him to sign a key back who they've been on the lookout for a number of years?  Doesn't add up or unless it's really bad list management. 

11 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

So, the Dees sign him for 3 years and then one year in realise they can't afford him to sign a key back who they've been on the lookout for a number of years?  Doesn't add up or unless it's really bad list management. 

Especially when the cap goes up a couple million over night October 30...

31 minutes ago, DSP said:

Watts as good as gone according to Waldron on Hungry for Sport  SEN. On $500,000 apprently and needs to be moved to make way for Lever.

Rubbish. Waldron is a moron. 

Given new salary cap as result of cba i think Waldron might just be waffling out of his arze !!

Think it through Wally. We've been after Lever all year. Wed have a pretty good idea as to cost. What? Suddenly...no soup for you Watts !!

Don't think so.

 

5 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Given new salary cap as result of cba i think Waldron might just be waffling out of his arze !!

Think it through Wally. We've been after Lever all year. Wed have a pretty good idea as to cost. What? Suddenly...no soup for you Watts !!

Don't think so.

 

Why would the club just resign Hains Paint as a sponsor with Watts the face of them on the club wedsite, then trade him out. Not saying anyone is not tradable if the right offer comes up but just doesn't add up to me. 

 

 

Just out of curiosity if we were to trade Watts to Port Adelaide what might we get back?

Would their pick 29 work? 

4 minutes ago, mongrel said:

 

Just out of curiosity if we were to trade Watts to Port Adelaide what might we get back?

Would their pick 29 work? 

WINES.  PLEASE WINES. 

9 minutes ago, mongrel said:

 

Just out of curiosity if we were to trade Watts to Port Adelaide what might we get back?

Would their pick 29 work? 

Why PA?

Waldron makes lots of statements and accepts plaudits if he gets it right but is never held accountable for those he gets wrong. Last night "On the Couch" Michael warner stated that Watts stays so clearly someone has got it wrong. I would not trust anything waldron says and he always has another agenda.

Watts has clearly stated he does NOT want to go and the club cannot force him to.

 

@AkumMy brother is friends with a really close friend of Jack. Said that Jack has been told a Port trade is possibly in play.

I know I know, he said she said but was just wondering what a trade to PA would look like.

Edited September 27, 20178 yr by mongrel

4 hours ago, Stretch Johnson said:

Watts and Salem were singled out for not committing to some contests.

Some are singled out for not hitting targets

Some committed undisciplined acts

Some failed to run hard enough.

It is what its is, calling it anything else helps no-one.

It is by recognising these issues and calling them out that we get better.  Players get opportunities to improve these issues according to KPIs delivered by managers. 

Like all employee/manager relationships when an issue continues to cause problems decisions need to be made by managers to take stronger action.

These decisions are made to strengthen the team unit.

i support strengthening the team unit sufficiently to win a premiership.

I do need to respond to this.

I'm not concerned about the past. My point is, in the post-Watts* Demons of 2018 and beyond, I would like to think that there's just as much discipline against those who don't improve their ball use from one season to the next and continue to turn the ball over, as there is against those who don't get to enough contests.

Because both are important if we want to climb the ladder.

That's all.

Edited September 27, 20178 yr by Akum
* It's my guess that Watts is gone.

5 minutes ago, mongrel said:

 

@AkumMy brother is friends with a really close friend of Jack. Said that Jack has been told a Port trade is possibly in play.

I know I know, he said she said but was just wondering what a trade to PA would look like.

OK, sounds interesting. PA just seemed an unlikely suitor I guess.

1 hour ago, At the break of Gawn said:

So, the Dees sign him for 3 years and then one year in realise they can't afford him to sign a key back who they've been on the lookout for a number of years?  Doesn't add up or unless it's really bad list management. 

haha the Dees under salary cap pressure?  due to all of our stars we have in their prime?

we've only ever had pressure to reach 92%.

4-5 years time will be different but there is no way we need to off load anyone to pay Lever's wages

35 minutes ago, mongrel said:

 

@AkumMy brother is friends with a really close friend of Jack. Said that Jack has been told a Port trade is possibly in play.

I know I know, he said she said but was just wondering what a trade to PA would look like.

Jeez Wattsy would love playing under Chuckles McHinkley

51 minutes ago, Akum said:

I do need to respond to this.

I'm not concerned about the past. My point is, in the post-Watts* Demons of 2018 and beyond, I would like to think that there's just as much discipline against those who don't improve their ball use from one season to the next and continue to turn the ball over, as there is against those who don't get to enough contests.

Because both are important if we want to climb the ladder.

That's all.

One is a skill. 

One is a mindset and a measure of commitment. 

Yes...Both are important. 

Edited September 27, 20178 yr by Guest

Rumoured to have been spotted at Crows HQ today

So Pick 10 & Watts for Lever and maybe a second/third round pick?