1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Badloss???

Its what you have when you dont have a Goodwin !!!   and where is he ?? capiche ?

3 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Its what you have when you dont have a Goodwin !!!   and where is he ?? capiche ?

Oh yes of course!!

that name is going to haunt him now

i sure hope last Saturday didn't kill his career. 

14 hours ago, Older demon said:

Demonland, I can tell you that the MFC media managers were literally assaulted with emails that were clearly written by disaffected members and supporters. I spoke with one who was deeply upset with the vitriol and nature of emails that came across her desk. The office and off field staff are hurting, the whole club is hurting. All staff were briefed this morning by PJ and Goodwin in anticipation of this. The email rsponse sent out as mentioned early in this thread was obviously in response to this.

The club captain had a presser and told us all straight that they are hurting, they realise that they let a chance slip. What else do we want,  a public flogging

For what it is worth I ran into the mother of one of our prominent players this morning and she is gutted and her son is disconolate and shattered. He wants to get out of town and be alone. He feels just as bad as we do, he is hurting and has the added burden of all the media telling him how bad the club are.

MOVE ON

Totally agree with all the sentiments here OD.

But I hope the club doesn't MOVE ON without learning all the lessons from this debacle that need to be learned, whatever they are. I don't mean witch-hunt, just careful analysis.

And I'm a bit concerned for Goody who in his first year as senior coach has ended up missing the finals by the lowest margin in AFL history in the last few minutes of the season. I hope he's got good people around him.

4 minutes ago, Akum said:

I hope he's got good people around him.

and if so he would listen. He doesnt seem too good at learning, or if he is able...to implement it just yet.

Blundstone and Manuka come to mind 

Edited August 29, 20177 yr by beelzebub

1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Oh yes of course!!

that name is going to haunt him now

i sure hope last Saturday didn't kill his career. 

Goodwin, now mentally scarred. Dragged down by the curse of being associated with the MFC.

Forced to endure the afterlife forever wondering about that 105.2 percentage.

On dark Sunday nights at the MCG when the wind is up, some say you can still hear his voice in the coaches box, shouting "just kick the bloody thing!!!!!!!"

**ring ring**

Goodwin: "Hello. Simon Goodwin."

Mark Neeld: "They're getting better at it."

Goodwin: "What do you mean?"

Neeld: "It took them 2 years to mentally scar me for life. They did it to you in only one."

Goodwin: "Yeah right. Thanks pal."

Neeld: "A ha ha ha ha ha! A ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ! A HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!"

Goodwin's eyes roll back in his head and something seems to come over him.

Goodwin: "A HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ! A HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !"

7 minutes ago, Akum said:

Totally agree with all the sentiments here OD.

But I hope the club doesn't MOVE ON without learning all the lessons from this debacle that need to be learned, whatever they are. I don't mean witch-hunt, just careful analysis.

And I'm a bit concerned for Goody who in his first year as senior coach has ended up missing the finals by the lowest margin in AFL history in the last few minutes of the season. I hope he's got good people around him.

Yep. If the club doesn't get nasty and ruthless over this latest Choke, we are doomed. 

Take it as a final warning

No more Bandaids

We the Members must demand action, time will not heal this one. 

Action is the only cure

8 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Goodwin, now mentally scarred. Dragged down by the curse of being associated with the MFC.

Forced to endure the afterlife forever wondering about that 105.2 percentage.

On dark Sunday nights at the MCG when the wind is up, some say you can still hear his voice in the coaches box, shouting "just kick the bloody thing!!!!!!!"

So true.....

14 hours ago, dpositive said:

This thread supports my own thoughts.

I am willingly Ng to a fifer my services as a business manger consultant to assist the club in its so many obvious deficiencies

Might want to work on your pitch and messaging then. A business offering their services that can't spell doesn't look too professional. 

This is the biggest fork in the road since 186.

Which way we will we take.

Harden up and become ruthless pricks.

Or drift along always making up the numbers.

Every time I go to training from now on I will say nothing, but shout out "one oh five point two!"

 

 

 

 

 

"ONE OH FIVE POINT TWO, DEMONS! ONE OH FIVE POINT TWO!"

It definitely has the potential to be a turning point, but we will have to wait and see.

If the playing and coaching group are even half as filthy as I am, they won't be forgetting this anytime soon. Could be quite a powerful motivator going forward.

3 minutes ago, Forest Demon said:

It definitely has the potential to be a turning point, but we will have to wait and see.

If the playing and coaching group are even half as filthy as I am, they won't be forgetting this anytime soon. Could be quite a powerful motivator going forward.

It certainly should motivate the club for the next 50 years

But will it??

Its gonna be a long few months waiting to go through all this again and that's what irks me the most about it all. Its all well and good people telling us we have plenty of upside and 'should make it next year' and all of that. In my time of following this club and sport in general there is only one mantra I live by: When you get presented with an opportunity, you take it. If you don't take it, then you live with the consequences. 

Sure, we might be real good next year, we might also get 6 big injuries in the first 6 weeks of 2018, we might find our game plan is found out and the commentary is all "Why aren't the Demons as threatening as last year?" I am hopeful that things will go right for us but time and time again its usually been a false dawn followed by a fall from grace. Either way its going to take a lot of time and waiting to find this out which is even more painful.

You just had to make it Melbourne. That's it. Make the 8 and then we could have re-focused with fresh perspective from business class. Instead we're jammed down the back in economy with all the other no hopers complaining how life is so hard.

So where is the coach now? Not a word and disappeared. Come on out and get it over with.

9 minutes ago, america de cali said:

So where is the coach now? Not a word and disappeared. Come on out and get it over with.

He has a couple of mates as well adc.

anyone seen the CEO or the head of the FD? 

 

3 minutes ago, old dee said:

He has a couple of mates as well adc.

anyone seen the CEO or the head of the FD? 

 

Must be very disappointing for them but now is no the time to hide. Suck it up and cop the medicine. 

Who gives a [censored] what is said now or who says it. It's all just words. But why anyone would be annoyed with Goodwin being absent is beyond me. As a coach of a pro sports team, he should reasonably expect the players to have enough pride to turn up with intensity in a game like that. It was the players who screwed this, not the coaches and not PJ. The problem with lack of effort is one that has existed fora long time. Roos couldn't change it and Goodwin won't be able to either. Hell the players used to  pick and choose  under Daniher and he was a  renowned motivator.

The change can only come from the playing group. Viney is the only one I've seen in recent memory with a chance of driving the change.

Until then we are a soft and weak football club. Everyone knows it. Every opposition club gears themselves up for games against us becauae we are the most gettable sporting team going around.

Edited August 29, 20177 yr by rufus

And in respect to words...the talk on D'land last week about how good a bottom team Brisbane are is a perfect example of how deep the softness and excuses run at MFC. All the way through the supporter base.

The effort vs. Brisbane was deplorable. And some of our senior players who were getting outmuscled by a bloke built like a praying mantis should have been dragges over the coles for it...it was fugging embarrassing. ..

29 minutes ago, rufus said:

Who gives a [censored] what is said now or who says it. It's all just words. But why anyone would be annoyed with Goodwin being absent is beyond me. As a coach of a pro sports team, he should reasonably expect the players to have enough pride to turn up with intensity in a game like that. It was the players who screwed this, not the coaches and not PJ. The problem with lack of effort is one that has existed fora long time. Roos couldn't change it and Goodwin won't be able to either. Hell the players used to  pick and choose  under Daniher and he was a  renowned motivator.

The change can only come from the playing group. Viney is the only one I've seen in recent memory with a chance of driving the change.

Until then we are a soft and weak football club. Everyone knows it. Every opposition  club gears themselves up for games against us becauae we are the most gettable aporting team going around.

7

Just wanted to share with you all something that I found out in the past month from a Melbourne legend. (I was not alone when this was discussed, probably another 8 or 9 Demon tragics were present, I`m hoping someone on here was present to back this up)

Viney openly told all players that he had never concerned himself with how teammates prepared and presented themselves in regards to training and/or preparation. He has perhaps the best training ethics and standards of anyone on our list, and demands that of himself, but not of anyone else. I was shocked to hear this. I`m not certain how or why he spoke about it to the playing group, I`m hoping(assuming) that it was discussed among himself and the coaching staff and then he relayed it to the players to acknowledge that this needs to change.

If Viney demands/instills the drive, determination, and hunger that he shows on the training track and on Match Day into every single player on the list, THEN we might see some change.

It seems obvious to me and many on here that leadership is our biggest problem. It certainly was last Saturday.

9 minutes ago, Hell Bent said:

Just wanted to share with you all something that I found out in the past month from a Melbourne legend. (I was not alone when this was discussed, probably another 8 or 9 Demon tragics were present, I`m hoping someone on here was present to back this up)

Viney openly told all players that he had never concerned himself with how teammates prepared and presented themselves in regards to training and/or preparation. He has perhaps the best training ethics and standards of anyone on our list, and demands that of himself, but not of anyone else. I was shocked to hear this. I`m not certain how or why he spoke about it to the playing group, I`m hoping(assuming) that it was discussed among himself and the coaching staff and then he relayed it to the players to acknowledge that this needs to change.

If Viney demands/instills the drive, determination, and hunger that he shows on the training track and on Match Day into every single player on the list, THEN we might see some change.

It seems obvious to me and many on here that leadership is our biggest problem. It certainly was last Saturday.

That's concerning if true as Viney should be driving improvements in training too. He's a leader of the club now and as such is responsible for his team mates. 

2 hours ago, layzie said:

Its gonna be a long few months waiting to go through all this again and that's what irks me the most about it all. Its all well and good people telling us we have plenty of upside and 'should make it next year' and all of that. In my time of following this club and sport in general there is only one mantra I live by: When you get presented with an opportunity, you take it. If you don't take it, then you live with the consequences. 

Sure, we might be real good next year, we might also get 6 big injuries in the first 6 weeks of 2018, we might find our game plan is found out and the commentary is all "Why aren't the Demons as threatening as last year?" I am hopeful that things will go right for us but time and time again its usually been a false dawn followed by a fall from grace. Either way its going to take a lot of time and waiting to find this out which is even more painful.

You just had to make it Melbourne. That's it. Make the 8 and then we could have re-focused with fresh perspective from business class. Instead we're jammed down the back in economy with all the other no hopers complaining how life is so hard.

100% Agree. We don't take chances now, we plan to do things next year......

Perhaps they should make a few senior players (we all know who they are)

answer the phones and emails and take the brunt of disgruntled members who help pay their nice salaries.

11 hours ago, old dee said:

He has a couple of mates as well adc.

anyone seen the CEO or the head of the FD? 

 

Lets not foget the head of sports science. Mr Misson-in-action.

Pls answer why all players that came back from injury either got reinjured or underperformed to the point where some got dropped? What exactly is wrong with Viney's foot and are we to believe it was a sheer co-incidence that his injury was on the same foot. Why the secrecy? Why did Salem get hit by a brick in preseason? 

19 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

This is the biggest fork in the road since 186.

Which way we will we take.

Harden up and become ruthless pricks.

Or drift along always making up the numbers.

Every time I go to training from now on I will say nothing, but shout out "one oh five point two!"

 

 

 

 

 

"ONE OH FIVE POINT TWO, DEMONS! ONE OH FIVE POINT TWO!"

We'll either thrive and rise, or crash and burn. There's no in between imo.

19 hours ago, layzie said:

...

Sure, we might be real good next year, we might also get 6 big injuries in the first 6 weeks of 2018, we might find our game plan is found out and the commentary is all "Why aren't the Demons as threatening as last year?" I am hopeful that things will go right for us but time and time again its usually been a false dawn followed by a fall from grace. Either way its going to take a lot of time and waiting to find this out which is even more painful.

...

Our game plan has been found out, most other teams have worked out what to do to try to counter it.

Most of it stood u pretty well, but there were a few parts that needed a tweak. Which they never got.