WELCOME TO THE MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB - BEN BROWN

[Adam The God 30,676]

4 hours ago, Mono said:

Doubt he'd accept $650k given what he knocked back at North.

Well, you're wrong.

[Grr-owl 1,258]

1 hour ago, raDeelaide said:

Everyone looks better in a Dees jumper.

Slimming, though. I have a theory that it explains the 'soft' tag....

[Grr-owl 1,258]

23 minutes ago, A F said:

If so, we obviously don't think we can get the Phillips deal done, or we prefer Polec as a player. Probably fair enough too.

Does this mean Smith is out too?

[Redleg 42,089]

1 hour ago, Better days ahead said:

The exception is Scully. Can't stand him.

Who? Never heard of him.

[Adam The God 30,676]

14 minutes ago, Grr-owl said:

Does this mean Smith is out too?

Nah, Smith is over the line. That's already been confirmed on Demonland.

If we are still in fact pursuing Polec, I'd say we want Smith off half back and Polec on the opposite wing to Langdon.

[Demon Forever 219]

10 minutes ago, Grr-owl said:

Does this mean Smith is out too?

Interesting what lewis said on fox footy "he has to make up his mind if he stays where he sees out his time or leaves for success" Lewis mentioned geelong here and not the dees. Dont know if it was a slip of the tongue or something more behind it

[Grr-owl 1,258]

Can Geelong fit any more talent into that team? Wow...

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

This is the real Grand Final.

[Skuit 10,031]

3 hours ago, don cordner4 said:

just found out his brother is Mitch Brown, haha

Not sure how serious . . .?

[DeeSpencer 26,637]

I know the game was wet but surely people watching tonight or any of the big finals noticed that key forwards kicking multiple goals aren't really a factor in finals.

It's contested work, speed, pressure, gut running to create options, tackling, smarts and calm under pressure that matters.

Ben Brown - not the kind of player that makes an impact in high pressure footy.

[Rednblueriseing 866]

6 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I know the game was wet but surely people watching tonight or any of the big finals noticed that key forwards kicking multiple goals aren't really a factor in finals.

It's contested work, speed, pressure, gut running to create options, tackling, smarts and calm under pressure that matters.

Ben Brown - not the kind of player that makes an impact in high pressure footy.

Trends come and go, this speed and pressure game steams from Richmond's success, now it's up to Goody and all other coaches to come up with a new style to beat it. 

They still use a big power forward as a reference point going into attack.

[Demon Disciple 12,525]

7 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I know the game was wet but surely people watching tonight or any of the big finals noticed that key forwards kicking multiple goals aren't really a factor in finals.

Let’s for a second say that that is accurate, they at the very least help get teams into the finals in the first place.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

7 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I know the game was wet but surely people watching tonight or any of the big finals noticed that key forwards kicking multiple goals aren't really a factor in finals.

It's contested work, speed, pressure, gut running to create options, tackling, smarts and calm under pressure that matters.

Ben Brown - not the kind of player that makes an impact in high pressure footy.

Sure, the Grand Final is a different kind of game, but you've gotta win enough to get there though.

No coincidence two teams with big gun forwards made it.

[3183 Dee 2,916]

5 hours ago, Hannibal Inc. said:

Posted in the last 10 minutes fwiw.

Argh! Still can’t warm to Polec.

[Radar Detector 1,347]

16 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I know the game was wet but surely people watching tonight or any of the big finals noticed that key forwards kicking multiple goals aren't really a factor in finals.

It's contested work, speed, pressure, gut running to create options, tackling, smarts and calm under pressure that matters.

Ben Brown - not the kind of player that makes an impact in high pressure footy.

Tall forwards sure get you to grand finals though. There were two Coleman medallists and an All-Australian KPF playing tonight. Do Geelong make the GF without Hawkins or Richmond without Reiwoldt/Lynch? Don’t think so.

[DeeSpencer 26,637]

12 minutes ago, Rednblueriseing said:

Trends come and go, this speed and pressure game steams from Richmond's success, now it's up to Goody and all other coaches to come up with a new style to beat it. 

They still use a big power forward as a reference point going into attack.

 

11 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

Let’s for a second say that that is accurate, they at the very least help get teams into the finals in the first place.

 

11 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Sure, the Grand Final is a different kind of game, but you've gotta win enough to get there though.

No coincidence two teams with big gun forwards made it.

There's no style that beats pressure though, we've seen in various forms since probably Sydney in 2005 that you got to take away time and space. Or at least since the Hawks in 2008 when they cut down a Geelong super team.

Every flag since 2013 has been won by Clarko or a disciple. Getting pressure on is everything.

The Dogs won it in 2016 without a recognised true key forward. The Tigers only had Riewoldt in 2017. The Pies nearly won it in 2018.

 

[Half forward flank 1,022]

1 minute ago, Radar Detector said:

Tall forwards sure get you to grand finals though. There were two Coleman medallists and an All-Australian KPF playing tonight. Do Geelong make the GF without Hawkins or Richmond without Reiwoldt/Lynch? Don’t think so.

Rather pick another Rivers. We are not in the short term window. Still 3-4 years away.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

2 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

There's no style that beats pressure though, we've seen in various forms since probably Sydney in 2005 that you got to take away time and space. Or at least since the Hawks in 2008 when they cut down a Geelong super team.

Every flag since 2013 has been won by Clarko or a disciple. Getting pressure on is everything.

The Dogs won it in 2016 without a recognised true key forward. The Tigers only had Riewoldt in 2017. The Pies nearly won it in 2018.

 

You're just focusing on the one game though, it's a bigger picture than that. I agree with you key forwards are rarely the difference in Grand Finals, but you need them to get there.

3 of the top 5 goal kickers, all key forwards, played in the game tonight.

Edited October 24, 2020 by Lord Nev

[Jaded No More 68,976]

6 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

It’s funny how that happens. There are several players over the years who I’ve really disliked, only for them to join the Dees and then they’ve become some of my more favoured players.

Remember that West Coast hard-nut who joined us about 15 years ago - I can’t remember his name (Phil?), but I used to loathe him, and then he joined the club and I absolutely loved him.

 

Hated Melksham. Tried very hard to like him. Still struggling. His [censored] form hasn’t helped. 

[Radar Detector 1,347]

2 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

 

 

There's no style that beats pressure though, we've seen in various forms since probably Sydney in 2005 that you got to take away time and space. Or at least since the Hawks in 2008 when they cut down a Geelong super team.

Every flag since 2013 has been won by Clarko or a disciple. Getting pressure on is everything.

The Dogs won it in 2016 without a recognised true key forward. The Tigers only had Riewoldt in 2017. The Pies nearly won it in 2018.

 

Big goal kicking forwards and pressure aren’t mutually exclusive. Richmond have two guns and Geelong have just landed Cameron in addition to Hawkins. So there’s room for big guys who kick goals in pressure sides. 

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6 hours ago, Better days ahead said:

I find it hard to dislike players we traded out. Jesse, Kent even Watts when he had that blinder against us in round 1 2019 I couldn’t bring myself to curse him. The exception is Scully. Can't stand him.

Hated Frawley and hate Howe once they left. 
We don’t speak of Scully. Scum of the earth and his career went the way it deserved. 

[DeeSpencer 26,637]

4 minutes ago, Radar Detector said:

Tall forwards sure get you to grand finals though. There were two Coleman medallists and an All-Australian KPF playing tonight. Do Geelong make the GF without Hawkins or Richmond without Reiwoldt/Lynch? Don’t think so.

Riewoldt was easily replaceable by a half decent taller player. Caddy maybe or Balta playing ruck/forward.

Lynch and Hawkins absolutely not, but they are supreme all round players who crash packs, follow up at ground level and stay in the game. But Dusty was the one breaking open the game.

When the goals dry up for Brown in big games - and they do for all key forwards - I don't think he does enough else to contribute.

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31 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I know the game was wet but surely people watching tonight or any of the big finals noticed that key forwards kicking multiple goals aren't really a factor in finals.

It's contested work, speed, pressure, gut running to create options, tackling, smarts and calm under pressure that matters.

Ben Brown - not the kind of player that makes an impact in high pressure footy.

The west coast talls were huge in the 2018 GF

[DeeSpencer 26,637]

3 minutes ago, Radar Detector said:

Big goal kicking forwards and pressure aren’t mutually exclusive. Richmond have two guns and Geelong have just landed Cameron in addition to Hawkins. So there’s room for big guys who kick goals in pressure sides. 

There absolute is, my point is Brown isn't one of them. Until our pressure is consistently good I don't think we should bring in guys who aren't improving us in that area. Any gains we make with goal kicking won't be substantial unless we've got the rest of the side right.

[DeeSpencer 26,637]

3 minutes ago, godees said:

The west coast talls were huge in the 2018 GF

Kennedy and especially Darling set the bench mark for defensive pressure by key forwards. Brown is one of the worst. 

I"m not anti tall forwards. I'd have 4 of them in a side if they could pressure like smalls, but if they can't pressure well enough to contribute I don't want them.