5 hours ago, jumbo returns said:

Yawn

Watts' output has lowered the last couple of weeks. Can you argue against that?

He started the year very well and received the plaudits he well and truly deserved, but will come under scrutiny if he doesn't return to that form. That's how it works. 

12 minutes ago, Luther said:

Watts' output has lowered the last couple of weeks. Can you argue against that?

He started the year very well and received the plaudits he well and truly deserved, but will come under scrutiny if he doesn't return to that form. That's how it works. 

No, not really

26 minutes ago, Luther said:

Watts' output has lowered the last couple of weeks. Can you argue against that?

He started the year very well and received the plaudits he well and truly deserved, but will come under scrutiny if he doesn't return to that form. That's how it works. 

I think Watts is playing very sore and understandably so.  He's had one game where he's been a genuine back up to Gawn, two games where he was our number one ruck for the majority and a number where he's spent considerable time there.  Opposition rucks have been understandably hurting him and it's catching up I think. We underestimate the collective physical damage an undersized ruck would suffer when asked to do it over a considerable period. It was interesting that McDonald rucked all the last quarter and not Watts because on face value we would most likely have been better the other way round.

Take that as you may, but he hasn't played the role that is his since round one and he's played pretty well over the course of the season.  He was poor on Sunday but potting him for it shows little insight.

 

6 hours ago, mauriesy said:

You must have a handful of negatives about Tyson that you just slot in every week, regardless of his performance.

Tyson - solid days work

JoeBoy - Stayed at home

Mate if you're going to do your boring little 3 word analysis, at least be fair dinkum and watch the game

2 hours ago, Vogon Poetry said:

I think Watts is playing very sore and understandably so.  He's had one game where he's been a genuine back up to Gawn, two games where he was our number one ruck for the majority and a number where he's spent considerable time there.  Opposition rucks have been understandably hurting him and it's catching up I think. We underestimate the collective physical damage an undersized ruck would suffer when asked to do it over a considerable period. It was interesting that McDonald rucked all the last quarter and not Watts because on face value we would most likely have been better the other way round.

Take that as you may, but he hasn't played the role that is his since round one and he's played pretty well over the course of the season.  He was poor on Sunday but potting him for it shows little insight.

 

Finally some sense. 

Has played most of this year as a significantly undersized ruckman, then expected to float forward, take the best defender and consistently kick a minimum of five goals.

He's an athlete, being placed, due to lack of personnel, in a position where he has little chance to use his athletic advantages. He's playing an incredibly valuable role for the team just getting out there and giving a contest in the middle. Anything else he manages to deliver before Gawn and Hogan return, should be considered a bonus.

1 hour ago, Billy said:

Tyson - solid days work

JoeBoy - Stayed at home

Mate if you're going to do your boring little 3 word analysis, at least be fair dinkum and watch the game

Well maaate, if you're satisfied with Tyson's ' solid day's work' then you can probably excuse the fact that we lost AGAIN to a team that we were expected to beat.

 

I was there and didn't see Tyson do too much wrong. He had the same disposal stats as Jones (14k, 12h, 26 disposals @ 69.2%), yet he had two more goal assists, four more clearances (Jones had zero), two less clangers and two more contested possessions.

I didn't see you put "most overrated footballer" next to Jones.

Edited May 23, 20178 yr by mauriesy

2 hours ago, Vogon Poetry said:

He was poor on Sunday but potting him for it shows little insight.

It's what we do ... go overboard when we win and pot everybody when we lose, regardless of circumstance. The analysis is mind-numbingly repetitive.

35 minutes ago, mauriesy said:

I was there and didn't see Tyson do too much wrong. He had the same disposal stats as Jones (14k, 12h, 26 disposals @ 69.2%), yet he had two more goal assists, four more clearances (Jones had zero), two less clangers and two more contested possessions.

I didn't see you put "most overrated footballer" next to Jones.

Dumb statement 

2 minutes ago, joeboy said:

Dumb statement 

Your total dislike of Tyson does cloud your view just a little though, joeboy.  Even you would have to admit that.

12 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Your total dislike of Tyson does cloud your view just a little though, joeboy.  Even you would have to admit that.

I'm prepared to give him credit when it's justified.. I just don't get the love for him that others feel

I don't get orgasmic over meaningless possessions and irrelevant touches, but rather I note the 1%ers like chasing , manning up, quick and precise ball movement.. all areas where I regularly note Tyson lacking

Edited May 23, 20178 yr by joeboy

40 minutes ago, mauriesy said:

It's what we do ... go overboard when we win and pot everybody when we lose, regardless of circumstance. The analysis is mind-numbingly repetitive.

I don't think that joeboy can ever be accused of going overboard when we win. He may see some players in a different light to others (Tyson), but that makes him no different to 90% of the posters on here. Some think that O. Mac does his job, others think he's a hack. Some players will always polarise opinions.

22 minutes ago, joeboy said:

I'm prepared to give him credit when it's justified.. I just don't get the love for him that others feel

I don't get orgasmic over meaningless possessions and irrelevant touches, but rather I note the 1%ers like chasing , manning up, quick and precise ball movement.. all areas where I regularly note Tyson lacking

Brendan McCartney is on record last season as describing Tyson as an elite ball winning midfielder. But what would he know.....

So?

not even the most fanatical Demonlanders would ever describe Tyson as 'elite'

Edited May 23, 20178 yr by joeboy

If any other Demonland whipping boy had the four clangers that Jones produced (two of them leading to opposition goals), there'd be calls to send them back to Casey never to play again.

Tyson has been good for the last couple of weeks.

Tyson doesn't chase.......don't watch him, watch his opponent.

3 minutes ago, george_on_the_outer said:

Tyson doesn't chase.......don't watch him, watch his opponent.

an interesting observation there George

40 minutes ago, mauriesy said:

If any other Demonland whipping boy had the four clangers that Jones produced (two of them leading to opposition goals), there'd be calls to send them back to Casey never to play again.

Tyson has been good for the last couple of weeks.

It's called having credits.

Jones has played at an unbelievably high level in most facets of the game for a very very long time.

So of course people are going to cut him some slack for some uncharacteristic-turnovers.

All the 'whipping boy' talk is brought up by posters like you who cannot handle any sort of criticism of a player who consistently underperforms in certain areas of their game. Why do you believe Jones isn't ever a 'whipping boy' on this forum? Does anyone think about that? (Aside from his leadership from time-to-time).

Tyson showed more involved on the weekend. That's a positive. But his ball use when in space was again not at a high enough level. He doesn't punish the opposition. That is a negative. 

 

Edited May 23, 20178 yr by stevethemanjordan

19 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

So of course people are going to cut him some slack for some uncharacteristic-turnovers.

ummmmm ..

1 hour ago, stevethemanjordan said:

All the 'whipping boy' talk is brought up by posters like you who cannot handle any sort of criticism of a player who consistently underperforms in certain areas of their game. Why do you believe Jones isn't ever a 'whipping boy' on this forum? Does anyone think about that? (Aside from his leadership from time-to-time.

A whipping boy is by definition someone who is criticised regardless of how they play, and blamed constantly for a negative team result.

I'm not interested in previous performances, credits or anything else that preceded the match when it comes to analysis of a game-day performance.

I have also never said Tyson is perfect.

16 minutes ago, mauriesy said:

I have also never said Tyson is perfect.

You're not suggesting that players can be things other than perfect or a dud are you? 

3 minutes ago, Nasher said:

You're not suggesting that players can be things other than perfect or a dud are you? 

Well it's pretty clear that if you're not perfect you're a dud.

6 minutes ago, Nasher said:

You're not suggesting that players can be things other than perfect or a dud are you? 

I have often been labelling the perfect dud.

20 hours ago, Vogon Poetry said:

I think Watts is playing very sore and understandably so.  He's had one game where he's been a genuine back up to Gawn, two games where he was our number one ruck for the majority and a number where he's spent considerable time there.  Opposition rucks have been understandably hurting him and it's catching up I think. We underestimate the collective physical damage an undersized ruck would suffer when asked to do it over a considerable period. It was interesting that McDonald rucked all the last quarter and not Watts because on face value we would most likely have been better the other way round.

Take that as you may, but he hasn't played the role that is his since round one and he's played pretty well over the course of the season.  He was poor on Sunday but potting him for it shows little insight.

 

I agree with this except the last bit.

He's been pox this year.  His inability to physically compete, even in 1v1 marking contests has been horrible.

Welcome back the jack of old.

As for Tyson ?

I doubt I've said a harsh word about him since he joined us, but for me he's a disappointing player.

He hasn't progressed since his first year (with us) in 2014 when he was 21.  He turns 24 in two weeks with 80 games under his belt and he's no better now and arguably impacts games less, because he hit the scoreboard in 2014 with 16 goals.  He's kicked one this year.  

In the overall scheme of things I concede he's OK, but he's had zero growth as a player halfway through his 4th season at the club.

I know Trengove's papers are stamped, which is fair enough, but you'll have a hard time convincing me that he wouldn't offer the same output as Tyson.  If Trengove replaced Tyson over the next month I don't believe our chances of winning would be diminished one iota.

But plenty of players infuriate me.  Nathan Jones turnover kicks are hurting and intolerable from a senior player.  

Tom McDonald is having a down year and I shudder when he's got the ball in his hands. 

Wagner ?  I'm at a loss as to why he was rushed back after one game at Casey.  Clearly the coaches love him, but I'm yet to see this amazing talent before my eyes.

Lewis is a disappointment to me.  I was expecting a lethal left foot that never missed its mark.  He turns it over with the best of them.

No doubt some posters eyes are welling up with water as I criticise their darlings.  I'll cope.