Welcome to Demonland: Jake Lever

[Demon Disciple 12,118]

52 minutes ago, manny100 said:

Hmmmm, value dropped a tad today, looked to big and slow for the smalls. Will not be tall enough or strong enough to play on the bigger talls.

Lucky for him most teams have 3rd tall forwards and he can play the intercept role.

 

Rivers was a similar p[ayer who intercepted countless attacks forward. We could do with one of him in our back line.

[Lucifers Hero 39,732]

8 minutes ago, Roost It said:

spoke to my man today regarding Hogan. Was told he's not part of the untradeables but only leaving for absolute top dollar. His management are adamant he's happy in Melbourne and that he'll remain a Dee for quite some time. 

Crikey, if Hogan is not an 'untradeable' it must be a very, very short list - like about 3 players on it.  While I get the principle that any player is tradeable for the right deal, it suggests the club doesn't think too much of our list. 

And if Hogan went even for top dollar it would be like starting a mini list rebuild again.  Scary thought!

[Roost It 1,434]

1 minute ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Crikey, if Hogan is not an 'untradeable' it must be a very, very short list - like about 3 players on it.  While I get the principle that any player is tradeable for the right deal, it suggests the club doesn't think too much of our list. 

And if Hogan went even for top dollar it would be like starting a mini list rebuild again.  Scary thought!

There's 6 players deemed untradeable by Goodwin and co.

[DemonLad5 1,642]

5 minutes ago, Roost It said:

There's 6 players deemed untradeable by Goodwin and co.

Do you know who?

I would've had Hogan on it but my guess is 

Jones, Viney, Petracca, Oliver, Gawn, Hunt?

Hibberd? Jetta? Garlett?

Edited September 30, 2017 by DemonLad5

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

5 minutes ago, Roost It said:

There's 6 players deemed untradeable by Goodwin and co.

Closest to pin anyone?

[Lucifers Hero 39,732]

1 minute ago, Roost It said:

There's 6 players deemed untradeable by Goodwin and co.

Thanks for the info.

Wondering how it can only be 6.  Goodwin said earlier this year that Roos had allowed him to be involved in and make list management decisions since arriving end of 2014.  (In 2016 Roos was well and truly gone by trade/draft time).  So how can we only have 6 on the list if a decent part of the list have been selected by the current Football Department including Goodwin...

[Diamond_Jim 12,567]

another middle level at best game... not sure why we are so excited

Last week the standard defence was that they won by so much the ball did not come his way often.

This week is that the Tigers forward line was too small.

Hope he finds Goldilock's bowl etc if he comes to the Dees and everything is .... just right !!

[MurDoc516 1,523]

6 minutes ago, Roost It said:

There's 6 players deemed untradeable by Goodwin and co.

I'd imagine his Essendon boys are on that list, i don't know if it's concerning or encouraging that he deems 6 players untradeable.

[Roost It 1,434]

you need to understand that there's probably 10 more players they'd entertain offers for if clubs were prepared to pay overs

[spirit of norm smith 16,436]

I would only give pick 10 for Lever.  Nothing more.  He would not win you a grand final.  

A good player but not a game changer.  

[MurDoc516 1,523]

2 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

I would only give pick 10 for Lever.  Nothing more.  He would not win you a grand final.  

A good player but not a game changer.  

That's kinda silly when you consider his position. Rance has been good for years, but Richmond have been bad for years. If we looked at a midfielder or small forward similar to Petracca you would want someone who can change games.

Edited September 30, 2017 by MurDoc516

[Dockett 32 1,239]

Get him. Get an A grademidfielder and 2nd large string ruck. Don't guff a continental  about anything else.

Dint care who we trade. Job must be done 

Trading Delidio sent the clear message.

 

[whatwhat say what 22,732]

Get him in, he’s a gun

Was at the match today and was clearly the best of Adelaide’s defenders under a mountain of ball coming in; the Crows midfield was slaughtered 

I would hazard a guess that our six untradeable would not include players who have been brought in from other sides

I would have had Hogan in there for sure, but I’m guessing the six ‘homegrown’ are:
- Petracca
- Viney
- Gawn
- Oliver
- Hunt
- Jetta

 

[Roost It 1,434]

16 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

Get him in, he’s a gun

Was at the match today and was clearly the best of Adelaide’s defenders under a mountain of ball coming in; the Crows midfield was slaughtered 

I would hazard a guess that our six untradeable would not include players who have been brought in from other sides

I would have had Hogan in there for sure, but I’m guessing the six ‘homegrown’ are:
- Petracca
- Viney
- Gawn
- Oliver
- Hunt
- Jetta

 

I actually thought Kelly was the pick of the Crows defenders today

[binman 42,881]

4 minutes ago, Roost It said:

I actually thought Kelly was the pick of the Crows defenders today

Their best defender today, by a country mile, was Laird.

[whatwhat say what 22,732]

Laird got a lot of the ball but didn’t do a lot with it

[binman 42,881]

5 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

Laird got a lot of the ball but didn’t do a lot with it

For what its worth here is the crows defender's rating and comments from news.com (yes i know). Ratings out of ten in brackets

6. Jake Lever (4) — Unsuited to playing against the dynamic, small Tigers forward line. Exposed for pace at times and didn’t kick the ball particularly well.

8. Jake Kelly (4) — Appeared to be hampered by a hamstring issue and never made a mark on the game.

12. Daniel Talia (5) — Can’t really fault the key defender — unless you want to compare him to his opposite number in Rance?

15. Kyle Hartigan (3) — Filled his personal blooper reel at a furious rate early in the game before recovering slightly.

16. Luke Brown (5) — Did his job like he always does apart from one marking contest where he was left one-out on Martin.

29. Rory Laird (6) — In Adelaide’s best, but that wasn’t saying a lot in this game.

[MurDoc516 1,523]

Just now, binman said:

For what its worth here is the crows defender's rating and comments from news.com (yes i know). Ratings out of ten in brackets

6. Jake Lever (4) — Unsuited to playing against the dynamic, small Tigers forward line. Exposed for pace at times and didn’t kick the ball particularly well.

8. Jake Kelly (4) — Appeared to be hampered by a hamstring issue and never made a mark on the game.

12. Daniel Talia (5) — Can’t really fault the key defender — unless you want to compare him to his opposite number in Rance?

15. Kyle Hartigan (3) — Filled his personal blooper reel at a furious rate early in the game before recovering slightly.

16. Luke Brown (5) — Did his job like he always does apart from one marking contest where he was left one-out on Martin.

29. Rory Laird (6) — In Adelaide’s best, but that wasn’t saying a lot in this game.

Lever was quality in the first qtr and had a respectable game once the Tigers got well on top. I think the crows problem was one too many tall defenders, i don't think Lever was/is too blame for not handling the pressure of 5 small frowards jumping on him.

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,712]

Lever played his role today. Nothing more, nothing less.

It was a number of other players who lost it for them.

He will be a welcome addition if he comes.

[binman 42,881]

2 minutes ago, binman said:

For what its worth here is the crows defender's rating and comments from news.com (yes i know). Ratings out of ten in brackets

6. Jake Lever (4) — Unsuited to playing against the dynamic, small Tigers forward line. Exposed for pace at times and didn’t kick the ball particularly well.

8. Jake Kelly (4) — Appeared to be hampered by a hamstring issue and never made a mark on the game.

12. Daniel Talia (5) — Can’t really fault the key defender — unless you want to compare him to his opposite number in Rance?

15. Kyle Hartigan (3) — Filled his personal blooper reel at a furious rate early in the game before recovering slightly.

16. Luke Brown (5) — Did his job like he always does apart from one marking contest where he was left one-out on Martin.

29. Rory Laird (6) — In Adelaide’s best, but that wasn’t saying a lot in this game.

And from afl.com (Ben Guthrie) those same players:

Luke Brown – 3
Dubbed 'The Glove' by teammates, the small defender was under the pump throughout the afternoon. Out-bodied by Dustin Martin late in the second term in a one-on-one contest that he had no chance of winning. Will learn plenty from it.

Kyle Hartigan – 3
Often played as Adelaide's deepest defender and spent some time on Dustin Martin when he went forward. Did not necessarily have a suitable matchup among Richmond's small forward line and often found himself tracking one of Dan Butler or Jason Castagna. Not his go.

Jake Kelly – 4
Came off in the second term and appeared to be limited by a hamstring complaint. Got back out onto the ground but was part of a back line that struggled to contain the Tigers' forwards. Was at least strong in the air on a few occasions.

Jake Lever – 4
The out-of-contract star took a couple of customary intercept marks in the first half and had Jacob Townsend for company for most of the afternoon. Lever had 15 disposals but, with the ball often on the deck in Richmond's forward line, he could not chop off kicks as effectively as he usually does. Could be his final game for the Crows, with speculation mounting he will join Melbourne in the upcoming trade period.

Daniel Talia – 3
The miserly full back has made a reputation for not allowing his opponent to get off the chain. But this was not one of his better days. Opponent Jack Riewoldt was too athletic for Talia and there were a number of times where he trailed the Tigers spearhead into the contest.

Rory Laird – 7
The All Australian defender was superb for the Crows across half-back in the first half, gathering 19 disposals. Was allowed the freedom to roam and he flourished. However, Laird couldn't exert the same influence in the second half as the Tigers ran away with victory.

 

[binman 42,881]

1 minute ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

Lever played his role today. Nothing more, nothing less.

It was a number of other players who lost it for them.

He will be a welcome addition if he comes.

Of course he will. And he's coming. But as i have pointed out many times about our defence - it will always struggle if we don't match the opposition's pressure just as the crow's much vaunted defence struggled today

[Dee-licious 1,949]

Townsend tagged Lever (interview with Townsend at the end of the game). An intercepting defender was tagged by their forward line. Our defenders don't get tagged. Just sayin'

Edited September 30, 2017 by Dee-licious

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,712]

Just now, binman said:

Of course he will. And he's coming. But as i have pointed out many times about our defence - it will always struggle if we don't match the opposition's pressure just as the crow's much vaunted defence struggled today

Agreed. But that was more to do with the middle and forward parts of the ground. Their press through the midfield was abysmal today. Doesn't matter how good a defender is, if the ball keeps coming in you're going to struggle.

[binman 42,881]

1 minute ago, Dee-licious said:

Townsend tagged Lever (interview with Townsend at the end of the game). An intercepting defender was tagged by their forward line. Our defenders don't get tagged. Just sayin'

Well he better get used to it as he will be tagged next year at the dees. And given that likelihood we should temper our expectations.

But so there is no confusion i am not potting Lever. A terrific young player and i'm rapt he will be at the dees. 

[binman 42,881]

2 minutes ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

Agreed. But that was more to do with the middle and forward parts of the ground. Their press through the midfield was abysmal today. Doesn't matter how good a defender is, if the ball keeps coming in you're going to struggle.

Yep. Never a truer word spoken.