I don't love co captaincy but I trust the club 100% on this 

Viney will be our next premiership captain 

Some people may be weighed down with the extra work and expectation that comes from being a leader, Viney will be the opposite, a true leader who will thrive.  

Edited February 12, 20178 yr by Ethan Tremblay

I like this.
I was very much against Jack being given the captaincy after the 2014-15 seasons as some were advocating. I reckoned he was still establishing himself as a player and it would add unnecessary pressure.
I reckon the fact that he is sharing it with Nate is a good apprenticeship before taking on the main gig himself. Give him two to three seasons as co captain and then let him take over if he thrives in the role.

How will Nate Jones react to not being the only Bull in the paddock?

Hopefully he battles on and makes a meaningfull contribution

It could be seen as a kick in the teeth by some, hopefully, Jones doesnt /couldnt feel that way

It probably is just evolution. Its unfortunate, that after many years of giving his all, Jones may miss out on our tilt at the premiership. I hope not!

3 minutes ago, jackaub said:

How will Nate Jones react to not being the only Bull in the paddock?

Hopefully he battles on and makes a meaningfull contribution

It could be seen as a kick in the teeth by some, hopefully, Jones doesnt /couldnt feel that way

It probably is just evolution. Its unfortunate, that after many years of giving his all, Jones may miss out on our tilt at the premiership. I hope not!

If Nathan Jones could possibly have a problem with it, then such an ego wouldn't be captain-material in the first place.

The more I think about this the more unnecessary it seems, Viney should just be a vice-captain for a year or so.

Just now, Clint Bizkit said:

The more I think about this the more unnecessary it seems, Viney should just be a vice-captain for a year or so.

I'm exactly the same. I was really possitive about it at first but my doubts just seem to get bigger the more i think about it. I suppose if we start the year well it wont really matter

2 hours ago, Skuit said:

If Nathan Jones could possibly have a problem with it, then such an ego wouldn't be captain-material in the first place.

Couldn't agree more-  I think the public place to much meaning on what it means to be captain in this day and age - he has had his tenure, as far as anyone knows, he is self-reflective enough to be open to sharing the load, so he can get on with playing, rather than holding onto being [censored] off and being distracted and non motivated to play at his peak...

On 2/10/2017 at 5:47 PM, Wells 11 said:

I agree that it seems unnecessary. Ive always preferred one captain. But I think we gotta trust Goody on this. Leading teams aside I doubt it would have happened without his blessing. He's in charge and  lets hope he's reading the tea leaves the right way! Could be he just doesn't want too much dependency on Jones re leadership. Im sure Jones  commands enormous respect in the group and that isnt going to change. 

Personally Im still a little burned after the glorious success of our last co captains Grimes and Trengove......but Im fairly confident that we are out of those dark... dark days. ( insert prayer here) ..... and repeat here (....) fark me when is this season starting! 

Last Co-Captains = Grimes & Jones

I wish the club would have consulted with us first. 

2 hours ago, jackaub said:

How will Nate Jones react to not being the only Bull in the paddock?

Hopefully he battles on and makes a meaningfull contribution

It could be seen as a kick in the teeth by some, hopefully, Jones doesnt /couldnt feel that way

It probably is just evolution. Its unfortunate, that after many years of giving his all, Jones may miss out on our tilt at the premiership. I hope not!

He wasn't the only bull in the paddock when he Co captained with Jack Grimes 

Viney was onSEN116 this morning.

He just doesn't seem ready yet, nothing against him at all, just think it's a burden he could've done without for a year or two

Just now, Billy said:

Viney was onSEN116 this morning.

He just doesn't seem ready yet, nothing against him at all, just think it's a burden he could've done without for a year or two

Why?  Didn't pronounce a few words correctly?  Didn't answer a question like you would?  Captaincy is about far more than speaking on SEN.

1 minute ago, Wiseblood said:

Why?  Didn't pronounce a few words correctly?  Didn't answer a question like you would?  Captaincy is about far more than speaking on SEN.

Yep spot on

4 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Why?  Didn't pronounce a few words correctly?  Didn't answer a question like you would?  Captaincy is about far more than speaking on SEN.

If I could love this I would...a thousand times over.

I have no doubt that Jack has great leadership on field and on the training track, but leadership is just as important in the public forum these days as well.

He didn't sound ready on that side of it to me.

Thats just my opinion Wiseblood, I'm sure you and the club knows better (I hope)?

 

5 hours ago, Grimes Times said:

Last Co-Captains = Grimes & Jones

Yep good point. But the success of that isnt really making me feel any better either.  

 

Viney is everything we want our players to be, 

hard, never gives up, passionate, loyal, bleeds red and blue he is absolutely ready to captain and the perfect man for the job alongside chunk who will cover any concerns about jacks age 

4 hours ago, Billy said:

 

He didn't sound ready on that side of it to me.

 

I'm not sure how I feel about the co-captaincy but Jones wasn't exactly a great orator the early days either.

Edited February 13, 20178 yr by Guest

12 hours ago, Billy said:

I have no doubt that Jack has great leadership on field and on the training track, but leadership is just as important in the public forum these days as well.

He didn't sound ready on that side of it to me.

Thats just my opinion Wiseblood, I'm sure you and the club knows better (I hope)?

 

It's Jack's "great leadership on field and in the training track" that will lead us to a flag.

His media performance is meaningless in regards to our footballing result. 

I reckon the importance of who is captain is overstated. It's not cricket. In reality you need as many good leaders as possible amongst the playing group. It doesn't really matter which one or more they make captain. 

23 hours ago, Skuit said:

If Nathan Jones could possibly have a problem with it, then such an ego wouldn't be captain-material in the first place.

Seriously? He's put in all the hard work in turning this club around, only to be told by the new coach that he'll be splitting his role with someone far less qualified - no ifs or buts. People like Viney because he's uncompromising, and I'm almost certain he wouldn't take too kindly to this if it was the other way around. 

Its such a [censored] stupid decision, it makes my head spin. What was the point of it? It just makes us look stupid to the rest of the league. Trial co-captains, twice, and finally get it right - before doing it all over again. Goodwin's made his bed by evidently imposing an executive decision, a captain's call, and will now have to put up or deal with whatever comes his way.

 

On 2/10/2017 at 4:44 PM, daisycutter said:

can't see the point

what will viney do now that he couldn't do as a vice-captain?

jonesy will still be the top dog

just meaningless tokenism

Jones will still be top dog, I can see Viney butting heads with Jones if we start losing games. Remember when Ebert whispered something to him last year and he starting slinging punches? I'm not suggesting JV will be anything less than a great teammate, but he's clearly got some growing up to do.

22 minutes ago, Pirlo said:

Seriously? He's put in all the hard work in turning this club around, only to be told by the new coach that he'll be splitting his role with someone far less qualified - no ifs or buts. People like Viney because he's uncompromising, and I'm almost certain he wouldn't take too kindly to this if it was the other way around. 

Its such a [censored] stupid decision, it makes my head spin. What was the point of it? It just makes us look stupid to the rest of the league. Trial co-captains, twice, and finally get it right - before doing it all over again. Goodwin's made his bed by evidently imposing an executive decision, a captain's call, and will now have to put up or deal with whatever comes his way.

 

I agree. What I am particularly concerned about is the manner in which the decision seems to have been made.

Viney - "when i was told last week"

Jones - "I was surprised at first"

Jack's SEN interview - when asked whether he feels ready and the rationale behind the decision - "ask goody". He catches himself at the end and clarifies that "we all feel it is the best model for the club".

Did Goodwin consult Jones? The playing group? Even Jack? Seems very odd for a man schooled in the theory of management and leadership to make an executive decision. 

I hope his judgment is sound - but I'm also of the school of thought that no one is ever ready for these things - NJ certainly wasn't and if you ask any Leader in business or elsewhere, more often than not someone placed them there based on potential. Everyone has to swim in the deep end for a while.

One thing for sure is that Goody is bold.

38 minutes ago, Pirlo said:

Seriously? He's put in all the hard work in turning this club around, only to be told by the new coach that he'll be splitting his role with someone far less qualified - no ifs or buts. People like Viney because he's uncompromising, and I'm almost certain he wouldn't take too kindly to this if it was the other way around. 

Its such a [censored] stupid decision, it makes my head spin. What was the point of it? It just makes us look stupid to the rest of the league. Trial co-captains, twice, and finally get it right - before doing it all over again. Goodwin's made his bed by evidently imposing an executive decision, a captain's call, and will now have to put up or deal with whatever comes his way.

 

Your post suggests that the Viney appointment was a decision made by Goody and Goody alone. I'm not sure why.

Bar Melbourne of 2012, I'm not sure there has been a time where the captaincy decision was solely in the coache's hands. That's also probably because no club has been as much of a basket case in all facets.

Captains, vice captains and leadership groups are appointed by players and coaches. If Viney had receieved 50% of the entire lists vote for captaincy and Jones the other 50%, how would Jones feel about being made sole captain? You could just as easily argue that he'd feel as if he didn't have the entire lists support and therefore would feel uncomfortable in the role... Either hypothetical is pointless.

People have got to chill fark out.

As for the way he speaks publicly, I can only assume nobody has heard Hodge speak in public? He'd have to be the worst public speaking Captain of any club. Yet he remains far and away the best Captain of any club.

 

Edited February 13, 20178 yr by stevethemanjordan