27 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

What could epitomise this ridiculous stance more than havibg a team with NO white normally on its jumper playing. team that does.....and then introducing. White into the confusion where there was none. It's bullshlt.

Again I cannot post images, but check out the below for the case in point:

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=melbourne+vs+st+kilda+2016&client=ms-android-alcatel&site=webhp&prmd=vni&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjs5f__l67QAhVBl5QKHcyOBhwQ_AUICSgD&biw=360&bih=515#imgrc=Sk6dWCC18roEGM%3A

What irritates me is that in their email responses the MFC actually pretty much defend the AFL's policy, including defending Collingwoods token effort.

40 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Again I cannot post images, but check out the below for the case in point:

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=melbourne+vs+st+kilda+2016&client=ms-android-alcatel&site=webhp&prmd=vni&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjs5f__l67QAhVBl5QKHcyOBhwQ_AUICSgD&biw=360&bih=515#imgrc=Sk6dWCC18roEGM%3A

What irritates me is that in their email responses the MFC actually pretty much defend the AFL's policy, including defending Collingwoods token effort.

I never understood why he would wear that Guernsey against St Kilda? The red bars down the side are almost identical to the red on their Guernsey? Weird.

14 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Pink? I wish we could go back to the sliver jumper, when I used to wear mine to games it went so well with my mustard trousers and snakeskin platforms

I remember. I thought you were in the traditional jumper but had grown your beard a bit more.

I remember watching replays in the 60's and 70's....I never ever had trouble dishtinquishing between teams even Melb vs Fitzroy on black and white TV on muddy quagmires.

Why do the AFL think that supporters are so dumb now that we can't tell the difference between sides.....How have we become so stupid lately that we need to be led by the hand by the AFL

Some times I turn on the footy and it takes a minute or two to see who the side in mainly white is.

I know that it is a marketing ploy for people to buy new jumpers each year but please

Port Adelaide 8 year old supporter designed their home jumper in a competion and a simple turn around of colours with white for their away jumper.....

I wish she was a Melbourne supporter.....We might get a better design  

5 minutes ago, Bossdog said:

I remember watching replays in the 60's and 70's....I never ever had trouble dishtinquishing between teams even Melb vs Fitzroy on black and white TV on muddy quagmires.

Why do the AFL think that supporters are so dumb now that we can't tell the difference between sides.....How have we become so stupid lately that we need to be led by the hand by the AFL

Some times I turn on the footy and it takes a minute or two to see who the side in mainly white is.

I know that it is a marketing ploy for people to buy new jumpers each year but please

Port Adelaide 8 year old supporter designed their home jumper in a competion and a simple turn around of colours with white for their away jumper.....

I wish she was a Melbourne supporter.....We might get a better design  

It is hard to believe she could make it worse!

17 hours ago, Vagg said:

So, record profits forecast for the Demon Shop this coming year, then...!

It always sells well when it is half price the following year..........

17 minutes ago, faultydet said:

It always sells well when it is half price the following year..........

yeah, it sells well it gets its own total on the annual report p&l table

On 16/11/2016 at 9:31 AM, Clint Bizkit said:

Email the AFL, not Melbourne.

 

On 16/11/2016 at 9:35 AM, daisycutter said:

or email one, copy the other

Email them both individually and compelle them to both register and reply to our grievance.  Also email other MFC members and supporters you know (within and outside Demonland) and ask them to do the same.

The MFC are rightly mostly shifting the issue onto the AFL.  However I've also been disappointed that the response I received from the MFC puts more emphasis on defending the AFL policy ahead standing up for the MFC and it's members/supporters views.

Edited November 17, 20168 yr by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

12 hours ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

I never understood why he would wear that Guernsey against St Kilda? The red bars down the side are almost identical to the red on their Guernsey? Weird.

That is not the word I would use.

Take your pick of illogical, discracefull or challenge to "the integrity of the competition" - MFC/AFL words, see below response from MFC.

This is one of the prime reasons I hate last years and similarly this years clash jumpers with a passion - they look like some bad love child of a St Kilda and Carlton jumper and I don't recognise it as being a MFC jumper.

My email and response from the club below:

From: Melbourne Football Club <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Date: 16 November 2016 3:32:28 pm AEST
To: 
Subject: RE: White Clash Jumpers are Not MFC

Thanks for taking the time to contact the Melbourne Football Club.

It is the Club's strong preference to wear our home guernsey all of the time however the AFL require all clubs to have a clash strip for when we play teams with similar colours to our own.  The reasons for this are quality of broadcast - ease of the viewer to tell the teams apart when watching on television and, the integrity of the competition in terms of players being able to easily tell the opposition players apart from team mates in a contest.

The broader debate around the use of clash guernseys is an industry wide issue. For reasons of history and tradition, all Club's would choose to wear their home guernsey at all times but the AFL, as the governing body, has determined for reasons such as clarity for television viewers and player confusion during play etc that clash guernseys are a required part of the game.

We have tried a number of designs that don't include white but none of those designs reduce the clash issues with all the teams the AFL determine us to clash with. The bottom line is, some Club's uniforms, like ours, Fremantle, Western Bulldogs, St Kilda, West Coast etc are perceived to clash with more Clubs than others. Clubs like Collingwood and the Swans hardly have any issues with clash. When we are the home Club we will always wear our home Guernsey but as the away Club there are occasions when the AFL will require us to wear the clash guernsey.  In 2017 we will be required to wear our clash guernsey 5 times, and potentially a sixth.  We will look to work with the AFL to determine if our home guernsey can be worn when we play against St Kilda as the away team in Round 1.

In 2015 we had an additional clash option, a predominantly red clash guernsey.  This guernsey was only worn twice during that season.  As our guernseys need to be approved by the AFL before proceeding to production in May/June the year prior to the season they are to be worn, without a fixture it is impossible to determine if in fact we could wear a clash guernsey that isn't predominantly white.

For the past two season we have kept a similar design.  The 2017 design has allowed us to include more red and blue whilst remaining predominantly white.

We will continue to have discussions with the AFL about our clash guernsey options during the design process for 2018 in the first half of 2017.

Thank you for your feedback and ongoing support it is greatly appreciated.

Melbourne Football Club
T: (03) 9652 1111  |  melbournefc.com.au<http://melbournefc.com.au>
Melbourne Football Club, Great Southern Stand, MCG, PO Box 254, East Melbourne, Vic 8002

 

-----Original Message-----
From: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 4:06 PM
To: Melbourne Football Club
Subject: White Clash Jumpers are Not MFC Jumpers

To whom it may concern,

I have been a MFC member for the past 30 years, having recently renewed my membership again around 2010, a period in which the club saw little success.

I am writing to express my extreme dissatisfaction with MFC playing jumpers that feature a predominance of white.  Jumpers featuring a majority of white are not identifiable as a Melbourne Football Club jumper and I have high confidence that the vast majority of Melbourne Football Club members and supporters have the same view.  Every heart beats true for the RED and BLUE, not Red, Blue and White - that is the Western Bulldogs.

I understand that this issue is somewhat driven by relatively contemporary AFL requirements.  However these requirements are not applied universally as Essendon and Richmond featured clash jumpers without a predominance of white.

I am tired of the club rolling over on this issue, meaning that we watch our team play in putrid playing jumpers for a significant number of games over the past ten or so years.  It is time that the club acted on the interests of it's members and refuse to bow to the AFL's white clash jumper policy.

Sincerely,

Edited November 17, 20168 yr by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

As much as its distasteful to suggest, but our club is talking shlt !!  All the whiles evading the question. Poor form Mfc ...poor.:(

I'm no fan of the new design, and I agree the policy is applied inconsistently, but in the overall scheme of things there are bigger fish to fry.

The club needs to prioritise different issues in its dealings with the AFL, and I'd bet (and hope) that PJ is more focussed on things like fixturing and scheduling than the colour of our jumper in a handful of matches. 

4 minutes ago, Grapeviney said:

I'm no fan of the new design, but in the overall scheme of things there are bigger fish to fry.

The club needs to prioritise different issues in its dealings with the AFL, and I'd bet (and hope) that PJ is more focussed on things like fixturing and scheduling than the colour of our jumper in a handful of matches. 

no reason he can't walk and chew gum at the same time, gv

obviously, it's not one of the big issues but that shouldn't be a reason to do nothing. the afl is not going to come down on him like a ton of bricks if he brings it up as an issue

Very few things tug at a supporters heart as much as the JUMPER !!

It's not immaterial (npi) to how we perceive the club.

I've come back to this thread after a break of a few days and note that the above reported correspondence with the club was about the fact of a white strip, whereas the OP seemed more about the design of the (now given) white strip. At near midnight I haven't got it in me to review ten pages, so: Did anyone write querying how the adopted (and three-quarters-unacceptable) white strip design was arrived at? Or propose some of the evidently 'better' ones. And what was/were the answer/s?

7 hours ago, Timothy Reddan-A'Blew said:

I've come back to this thread after a break of a few days and note that the above reported correspondence with the club was about the fact of a white strip, whereas the OP seemed more about the design of the (now given) white strip. At near midnight I haven't got it in me to review ten pages, so: Did anyone write querying how the adopted (and three-quarters-unacceptable) white strip design was arrived at? Or propose some of the evidently 'better' ones. And what was/were the answer/s?

I did write to them advising I thought that effort was extremely poor and that it resembles a cheap bali knock off sinlget. I also advised I believed it was one of the worst clash guernsey's in the competition.

7 hours ago, Timothy Reddan-A'Blew said:

I've come back to this thread after a break of a few days and note that the above reported correspondence with the club was about the fact of a white strip, whereas the OP seemed more about the design of the (now given) white strip. At near midnight I haven't got it in me to review ten pages, so: Did anyone write querying how the adopted (and three-quarters-unacceptable) white strip design was arrived at? Or propose some of the evidently 'better' ones. And what was/were the answer/s?

I also mentioned that WE should have a say in the design.  I understand the need for a white clash jumper and it would be ideal if EVERY team had to wear one but if we have to have one I want a say in what it looks like.

 

To me it seemed like the logical choice of away strip, spent a good chunk of time 12 months ago promoting and endorsing our new logo and logically it was placed on our next away strip.

Its not a groundbreaking design and it definitlely won't appeal to all, but it could and has been alot worse.

53 minutes ago, Mad_Melbourne said:

Its not a groundbreaking design and it definitlely won't appeal to all, but it could and has been alot worse.

not sure what you are telling us, mm

just because something bad could have been even badder is not much consolation 

Edited November 17, 20168 yr by daisycutter

3 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

not sure what you are telling us, mm

just because something bad could have been even badder is not much consolation 

to be fair, I dont know what I'm telling people either.

I just think it is not really that bad as everyone is making it out to be, I understand the unoriginality of it but I think it was a pretty expected design considering the new logo and what not.

I know that red and blue is synonymous with Melbourne, but the logo is something that the football club wants to spread around (like the NY from the Yankees) and this is probably one of the most obvious ways to keep the momentum of it going.
 

I didn't mind the old logo at the time, but when I see it now I cringe.

The new one has really grown on me and shows far more class than most AFL logos, I just don't want to see it slapped on to the front of a white jumper.

27 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

not sure what you are telling us, mm

just because something bad could have been even badder is not much consolation 

Now we are going to agree on this one dc.

Correct

31 minutes ago, Mad_Melbourne said:

I know that red and blue is synonymous with Melbourne, but the logo is something that the football club wants to spread around (like the NY from the Yankees) and this is probably one of the most obvious ways to keep the momentum of it going.
 

Agree totally. It makes perfect sense from a marketing perspective. Not least because it clearly says MELBOURNE which no other previous jumper does. So tourists coming to Melbourne might buy for that reason alone. And anyone who does buy it, tourist or otherwise is advertising our club and building brand recognition of the logo when they wear it.

Smart and i assume they will have t shits that have the logo smack bang in the middle.

Besides  the club email in response to a complaint about having to have clash jumpers at all notes that there is only going to be 5-6 games where a clash jumper will be needed and its possible one might be a red jumper like last year. So no big deal.

All that asie i actually like it.

And by the by as survey's go the OP makes a good fist of ensuring a strong anti jumper bias.

How is this for a conspiracy theory, the club purposely made the jumper look like a pile of puss in order to get the fans to revolt, that way they have clear evidence of the fans hatred of the AFL policy with which to approach the AFL and tell them to change it. We all know how much Dill hates annoying fans and making decisions through fan polls, there are stupider ways of making him see sense. 

43 minutes ago, Chris said:

How is this for a conspiracy theory, the club purposely made the jumper look like a pile of puss in order to get the fans to revolt, that way they have clear evidence of the fans hatred of the AFL policy with which to approach the AFL and tell them to change it. We all know how much Dill hates annoying fans and making decisions through fan polls, there are stupider ways of making him see sense. 

Well Chris after reading that I think you should apply to the CIA for a job.

That one would put you at the top of the class. 

 

23 minutes ago, old dee said:

Well Chris after reading that I think you should apply to the CIA for a job.

That one would put you at the top of the class. 

 

why stop there, od. that sort of thinking could even get you to be a president............