I am not sure why we are debating money paid to Dawes ( apart from accuracy) 

At a players best he is worth $X. It costs $X amount to lure a player out of a club. Tom Mitchell apparently is being paid more at Hawthorn than at the Swans. We paid a good sum to get Dawes to the MFC. It didn't work out. We have paid rookies a rookies salary and not one game has been played. Lynden Dunn was paid a salary and we got 4 matches out of him. We have had high hopes for JKH in the first season yet he has hardly played a game in the last two seasons. Do we reflect on every player that hasn't got many games and bemoan that they were being paid ? Or the reverse - Anything paid to Jayden Hunt up until this season has been nothing more than an investment in the future as he didn't get a game. Now Hunt is looking like a decent investment.  Some players work out  - some players don't.

From where I am sitting Dawes put in, wasn't a disruptive prima donna as some footballers are . Bottom line is - his body did not allow him to play enough games and when he did he didn't take enough marks or kick enough goals. 

I thank Dawes for his efforts ( which I don't think should be doubted) and wish him well. 

 

I am not sure why we are debating money paid to Dawes ( apart from accuracy) 

At a players best he is worth $X. It costs $X amount to lure a player out of a club. Tom Mitchell apparently is being paid more at Hawthorn than at the Swans. We paid a good sum to get Dawes to the MFC. It didn't work out. We have paid rookies a rookies salary and not one game has been played. Lynden Dunn was paid a salary and we got 4 matches out of him. We have had high hopes for JKH in the first season yet he has hardly played a game in the last two seasons. Do we reflect on every player that hasn't got many games and bemoan that they were being paid ? Or the reverse - Anything paid to Jayden Hunt up until this season has been nothing more than an investment in the future as he didn't get a game. Now Hunt is looking like a decent investment.  Some players work out  - some players don't.

From where I am sitting Dawes put in, wasn't a disruptive prima donna as some footballers are . Bottom line is - his body did not allow him to play enough games and when he did he didn't take enough marks or kick enough goals. 

I thank Dawes for his efforts ( which I don't think should be doubted) and wish him well. 

And you can add that not one player has held a gun to the head of a club and demanded a particular level of payment. Apart from players on the EBA base salary, every player has been made an offer by the club which they've chosen to accept.

Well I guess the Dawes vs Pedersen arguement is settled once and for all.

 

 

And you can add that not one player has held a gun to the head of a club and demanded a particular level of payment. Apart from players on the EBA base salary, every player has been made an offer by the club which they've chosen to accept.

Correct ! On that - I have never understood the angst on perceived differences between player and club on pay claims.

We have players that are perceived to be in demand  - players and their managers ask  - the club can agree or disagree. Then there are players like Cam Pedersen who I perceive to have little demand outside our club - The club dictates and the player can agree or disagree. This is how the game works.  

 

Read. The. Article. FFS.

I'm not going to hold your hand and guide you through it.

Read it. Take note of how the figures were worked out, and then look at the % rises.

I'll wait for you to do it.

 

ok, i'll keep my doubts on the 300k figure simple for you

total salary payments for everyone = 200.2M

lets just look at senior list players = 40 x 18 = 720 and not worry about rookie upgrades

200.2m / 720 = 278k average payment per senior list player (2015)

now lets look at your original statement " Average AFL salary is 380k ", no qualifications. You then conceded that was wrong and the figure should be $330 basing that on a published article for 2015 figures claiming the average was $300k. Presumably you then added 10% guesstimate for 2016 to arrive at $330?

the article says the 300k figure is derived from  "that senior listed players and rookies nominated for senior elevation before round one earned an average wage of $302,104".  now 720 x 302 = 217.446M. Maybe you can explain to a simpleton like me where the extra 17M+ comes from (and its actually more because the 200.2m total payments quoted is for all players, not just senior listed).

Edited October 24, 20168 yr by daisycutter

 

ok, i'll keep my doubts on the 300k figure simple for you

total salary payments for everyone = 200.2M

lets just look at senior list players = 40 x 18 = 720 and not worry about rookie upgrades

200.2m / 720 = 278k average payment per senior list player (2015)

now lets look at your original statement " Average AFL salary is 380k ", no qualifications. You then conceded that was wrong and the figure should be $330 basing that on a published article for 2015 figures claiming the average was $300k. Presumably you then added 10% guesstimate for 2016 to arrive at $330?

the article says the 300k figure is derived from  "that senior listed players and rookies nominated for senior elevation before round one earned an average wage of $302,104".  now 720 x 300 = 216M. Maybe you can explain to a simpleton like me where the extra 16M comes from (and its actually more because the 200.2m total payments quoted is for all players, not just senior listed).

If you have a problem with the AFL's official figures write to the AFL champ.

 

 

If you have a problem with the AFL's official figures write to the AFL champ.

 

so you are not interested in discussing the seemingly rubbery figures quoted in the article? fair enough, your choice

personally i retain my doubts. I suspect they have fudged it somewhere to come up with the nice rounded figure of 300k. no doubt part of the usual obfuscation of the afl to paint the figures better than they are as they negotiate with the aflpa for big increases due to the new tv rights bonanza they just got. Due to the afl's recent record i don't just take afl statements automatically at face-value. ymmv

 

so you are not interested in discussing the seemingly rubbery figures quoted in the article? fair enough, your choice

personally i retain my doubts. I suspect they have fudged it somewhere to come up with the nice rounded figure of 300k. no doubt part of the usual obfuscation of the afl to paint the figures better than they are as they negotiate with the aflpa for big increases due to the new tv rights bonanza they just got. Due to the afl's recent record i don't just take afl statements automatically at face-value. ymmv

Up to you if you want to be part of the tin foil hat brigade. You and SWYL can start a blog about it, the truth is out there...

 

I wouldn't mind if the average wage in my industry was $278k. And I'd love to get around $500k pa without performing very well. But alas...

Edited October 24, 20168 yr by Moonshadow

 

I wouldn't mind if the average wage in my industry was $278k. And I'd love to get around $500k pa without performing very well. But alas...

Except you are not in a multi million dollar revenue earning industry where only the best 800 players can share in the spoils.

wish there was an unlike button

note to self: don't engage with muppets in future

 

wish there was an unlike button

note to self: don't engage with muppets in future

I must admit, I wasn't sure whether to be impressed with your persistence or concerned for your mental health. Or maybe both.

 

wish there was an unlike button

note to self: don't engage with muppets in future

How did i rate a mention!!

 

How did i rate a mention!!

"it is better to be thought of badly than not thought of at all"  - nutbean 2016

 

"it is better to be thought of badly than not thought of at all"  - nutbean 2016

"Try to be pure at heart, they arrest you for Robbery. Mistake your shyness for aloofness, your silence for snobbery"

Dylan,B.

 

"Try to be pure at heart, they arrest you for Robbery. Mistake your shyness for aloofness, your silence for snobbery"

Dylan,B.

"I have no idea what that even means"  - nutbean 2016

 

"I have no idea what that even means"  - nutbean 2016

Excellent. 

 

"I have no idea what that even means"  - nutbean 2016

I look forward to hearing Nutbean's name called out around this time next year as the winner of the 2017 Nobel Prize for Literature.

Stuie probably has just as much chance at getting the Nobel Peace Prize, too.

 

Except you are not in a multi million dollar revenue earning industry where only the best 800 players can share in the spoils.

Well spotted you.

We need a sarcasm font

On 21/10/2016 at 3:31 PM, hemingway said:

Can only feel sympathy for players who get delisted. 

Have you ever been sacked or made redundant?

It's a hard headed business but I hope there is always a place for decency and respect. 

Yes I have been.

On 21/10/2016 at 5:54 PM, nutbean said:

It never fails to amuse me on posters who cant recognise the difference between everyone recognising the reasons that a player has been delisted (and most posters universally accept that the Dawes decision is the right decision) and giving that player a classless, vitriolic, plain nasty send off.  

Am I glad or happy he is gone is not a question that crosses my mind. Do i understand why he was delisted and do i agree with decision ? Absolutely. 

There can be obvious exceptions when we believe a player doesn't give it his best or is disruptive or dishonest about the way he leaves the club. But that is a rarity.

Thanks to any player who came to our club, gave it their best shot and for one of many reasons didn't make it.

 

Good riddance.

Is there any chance of resigning Dawes as a rookie on rookie coin? Do we have room on our list for this? 

Still vulnrable with our CHF position if pedo gets injured. Weids might be one season off from a regular game 

On 24/10/2016 at 11:49 AM, nutbean said:

I am not sure why we are debating money paid to Dawes ( apart from accuracy) 

At a players best he is worth $X. It costs $X amount to lure a player out of a club. Tom Mitchell apparently is being paid more at Hawthorn than at the Swans. We paid a good sum to get Dawes to the MFC. It didn't work out. We have paid rookies a rookies salary and not one game has been played. Lynden Dunn was paid a salary and we got 4 matches out of him. We have had high hopes for JKH in the first season yet he has hardly played a game in the last two seasons. Do we reflect on every player that hasn't got many games and bemoan that they were being paid ? Or the reverse - Anything paid to Jayden Hunt up until this season has been nothing more than an investment in the future as he didn't get a game. Now Hunt is looking like a decent investment.  Some players work out  - some players don't.

From where I am sitting Dawes put in, wasn't a disruptive prima donna as some footballers are . Bottom line is - his body did not allow him to play enough games and when he did he didn't take enough marks or kick enough goals. 

I thank Dawes for his efforts ( which I don't think should be doubted) and wish him well. 

Great summation, nutbean.

Nobody knows when a player signs on how they will turn out.

The only other way would be to have every player in the AFL on purely performance based contracts, which would be a logistic nightmare and won't happen. 

Agree Nutbean. The payment issue wreaks of absolute small mindedness. AFL players get paid - it's a professional sport. That some people here still can't wrap their head around this (and the sums involved) diminishes their opinion in relation to this issue.

Plainly, Dawes took his contract seriously and he was committed to the club - he just failed to deliver. I expect, more than anyone else, he's upset about that.

Good luck to the bloke - seems to be a quality individual.

 

11 hours ago, Diamond said:

Good riddance.

 

12 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Agree Nutbean. The payment issue wreaks of absolute small mindedness. AFL players get paid - it's a professional sport. That some people here still can't wrap their head around this (and the sums involved) diminishes their opinion in relation to this issue.

Plainly, Dawes took his contract seriously and he was committed to the club - he just failed to deliver. I expect, more than anyone else, he's upset about that.

Good luck to the bloke - seems to be a quality individual.

 

The great "class" divide.