29 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

 

It is the sheer lack of consistency by the agencies that appalls me

2 examples of supposed stupidity

Wade Lees ex Casey player served a full 2 year ban for importing but not using a banned substance

Maria Sharapova ban reduced, and she actually failed the drug test for banned substance, maybe if Wade was pretty and blonde with high powered lawyers might have got the same

Also

How ASADA has not even gone near DOCTOR Reid at Essendon is beyond me, yet nobody asks why

When somebody dobs in, the agencies never do the leg work, out they trot with an air of triumphalism saying 'look we are doing our jobs' 

How, if ASADA are so critical of Essendon's record keeping did they not know Whitfield had not been tested

Oh that's ok somebody will dob him in down the track

Wade Lees deserved 2 years, as did Maria. Fairly sure WADA wouldn't be impressed with Maria getting a reduction but that is not there fault.

ASADA did investigate Doc Reid, if you read the findings and statements from ASADA you would see that in their opinion he was removed from the whole thing and didn't know what was happening, and when he did he spoke up. Hard to pin a bloke for something that was actively hidden from him.

Again on Whitfield, this is not about him missing a test! It is about him not reporting his true whereabouts. Again, he did not miss a test so ASADA will have no such records of him doing so. How you expect them to know if he has reported his true whereabouts with GPS tracking him is beyond me. The only way they will ever find that out is if they turn up for the test and he isn't there or someone dobs him in.

You criticise ASADA and WADA a lot but you don't appear to have great understanding of the issues, the code, or the processes involved. 

13 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Oh let me think    the Russians,  Lance Armstrong so just minor misdemeanors 

How were either of these handed to them on a plate? They chased Lance for 10 years!

id suggest the inconsistency is the domain of the sport concerned...in this instance...the AFL !!

29 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

id suggest the inconsistency is the domain of the sport concerned...in this instance...the AFL !!

Oh...the AFL is consistent....consistently inconsistent!

36 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

id suggest the inconsistency is the domain of the sport concerned...in this instance...the AFL !!

I thought all sporting organisations 'promised' to abide by drug agencies findings hence my derisive attitude towards them

 

40 minutes ago, Chris said:

How were either of these handed to them on a plate? They chased Lance for 10 years!

And didn't get him until somebody dobbed, my point

DOCTOR Reid removed from everything, assume that was deal between ASADA which surprisingly has doctors in its employ, AFL and AMA, now there is a grassy knoll for you

Again we are 12 months down the track with the Whitfield, nobody would be any the wiser if not for a narky girlfriendi

1 minute ago, Satyriconhome said:

I thought all sporting organisations 'promised' to abide by drug agencies findings hence my derisive attitude towards them

 

And didn't get him until somebody dobbed my point

DOCTOR Reid removed from everything, assume that was deal between ASADA which surprisingly has doctors in its employ, AFL and AMA, now there is a grassy knoll for you

Again we are 12 months down the track with the Whitfield, nobody would be any the wiser if not for a narky girlfriendi

Just a technicality, Saty:  the AMA has absolutely nothing to do with disciplinary actions nor registration.  That is AHPRA, and I find it incredible that they appear to never have looked at Reid's role.

32 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

I thought all sporting organisations 'promised' to abide by drug agencies findings hence my derisive attitude towards them

 Who'd ever have thought that the AFL would play favourites !!! 

The IOC have been a bunch of crooks for god knows how long as well

31 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Just a technicality, Saty:  the AMA has absolutely nothing to do with disciplinary actions nor registration.  That is AHPRA, and I find it incredible that they appear to never have looked at Reid's role.

Hows hes not been struck off is anyones guess... Reprehensible and its not he alone that ought to hang a head low in shame

Saty...what we have here is a classic case of the Police  being hamstrung by the judiciary

WADA  have the Rules but the supposed aligned sporting codes'  tribunals etc are the ones who are letting them back out on the streets.  Sounds so familiar for some reason !!

2 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

I thought all sporting organisations 'promised' to abide by drug agencies findings hence my derisive attitude towards them

 

And didn't get him until somebody dobbed, my point

DOCTOR Reid removed from everything, assume that was deal between ASADA which surprisingly has doctors in its employ, AFL and AMA, now there is a grassy knoll for you

Again we are 12 months down the track with the Whitfield, nobody would be any the wiser if not for a narky girlfriendi

Your comment on the scoring codes doing the wrong thing is not a WADA issue, except they need more teeth. These things are happening due to the sporting bodies. Your anger is pointing the wrong way. 

On Lance, they can only do so much, they knew it was happening and they chased and chased until they found a Crack and before you know it they all turned. 

With Whitfield, how could they have known without him being sobbed in? Your comment on that shows you have no idea what he is charged with, what the players responsibilities are, or what ASADA actually do.

WADA have written the BOOK..........but the sports codes are stuffing up the film !!

58 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

WADA have written the BOOK..........but the sports codes are stuffing up the film !!

What was it Jack Lang said about the horse named self interest again?!

10 minutes ago, Chris said:

What was it Jack Lang said about the horse named self interest again?!

He said it's got a heart bigger than Phar Lap!

Or was it that he tried to make it a senator?

Hang on ... he said "Kingston Town Self Interest can't win this."

No wait .. he said, "Ed, my boss is coming over for dinner tonight and ... Ed, will you get off the phone?!"

1 hour ago, Chris said:

Your comment on the scoring codes doing the wrong thing is not a WADA issue, except they need more teeth. These things are happening due to the sporting bodies. Your anger is pointing the wrong way. 

On Lance, they can only do so much, they knew it was happening and they chased and chased until they found a Crack and before you know it they all turned. 

With Whitfield, how could they have known without him being sobbed in? Your comment on that shows you have no idea what he is charged with, what the players responsibilities are, or what ASADA actually do.

It's not anger directed at the agencies, I just think they are useless and only have victories when as I say it is handed to them on a plate, I just think the air of triumphalism they then display is self serving and pathetic

We have been through all of this before without such as a  "boo" from Saty. The situation will never be done, along with the unknown unknowns.

We don't support these organisations we die. Simple!

14 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

I thought all sporting organisations 'promised' to abide by drug agencies findings hence my derisive attitude towards them

 

And didn't get him until somebody dobbed, my point

DOCTOR Reid removed from everything, assume that was deal between ASADA which surprisingly has doctors in its employ, AFL and AMA, now there is a grassy knoll for you

Again we are 12 months down the track with the Whitfield, nobody would be any the wiser if not for a narky girlfriendi

Saty the thing you're missing in this case is the AFL tipped the bombers off that an investigation was coming, if they didn't know and couldn't destroy evidence imagine the things they would have uncovered, i suspect the biggest challenge they faced was the lack of material evidence that was left, 

Doc Reid was absolutely looked at, it says so in the findings, seemingly he was bypassed, which should be alarm bells for the innocent "duped" players in my opinion. 

 

The AFL expects a resolution within a week. When could the AFL bury this?  Melbourne Cup Day anyone? 

17 hours ago, Ted Fidge said:

He said it's got a heart bigger than Phar Lap!

Or was it that he tried to make it a senator?

Hang on ... he said "Kingston Town Self Interest can't win this."

No wait .. he said, "Ed, my boss is coming over for dinner tonight and ... Ed, will you get off the phone?!"

Caligula .... an emperor of Rome with somewhat unusual tastes... was said to have planned to appoint his horse Incitatus a consul. He was assassinated before he could complete his plan.

Mind you the history writers of the time were a little biased so truth was a moveable concept (much like it seems to be with the AFL and others on this and related issue)

2 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Caligula .... an emperor of Rome with somewhat unusual tastes... was said to have planned to appoint his horse Incitatus a consul. He was assassinated before he could complete his plan.

Mind you the history writers of the time were a little biased so truth was a moveable concept (much like it seems to be with the AFL and others on this and related issue)

Yea Seutonius was probably doing a fair propaganda job with that one.

Edit: now I'm reflecting on the similarity of track between the ancient writers and their biases and those of Afl house/scumbag media.

Reckon you're onto something there Jim

8 hours ago, Abe said:

Saty the thing you're missing in this case is the AFL tipped the bombers off that an investigation was coming, if they didn't know and couldn't destroy evidence imagine the things they would have uncovered, i suspect the biggest challenge they faced was the lack of material evidence that was left, 

Doc Reid was absolutely looked at, it says so in the findings, seemingly he was bypassed, which should be alarm bells for the innocent "duped" players in my opinion. 

 

And the dog ate his homework.......I call booshi

2 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Caligula .... an emperor of Rome with somewhat unusual tastes... was said to have planned to appoint his horse Incitatus a consul. He was assassinated before he could complete his plan.

Mind you the history writers of the time were a little biased so truth was a moveable concept (much like it seems to be with the AFL and others on this and related issue)

A little off-topic, but a while back some guy playing Crusader Kings 2 managed to exploit a loophole and through much effort, got a horse to become Empress of the Roman Empire:

http://imgur.com/a/K1utf

For those not familiar with the game, it's better explained here:

http://kotaku.com/that-time-a-horse-conquered-the-ancient-world-1757913762

 

Sorry for the off-topic diversion. I just find what this guy did really amusing!

Whitfield saga reminds me of a nursery rhyme - there was an old woman who swallowed a fly...

1 minute ago, Choke said:

A little off-topic, but a while back some guy playing Crusader Kings 2 managed to exploit a loophole and through much effort, got a horse to become Empress of the Roman Empire:

http://imgur.com/a/K1utf

For those not familiar with the game, it's better explained here:

http://kotaku.com/that-time-a-horse-conquered-the-ancient-world-1757913762

 

Sorry for the off-topic diversion. I just find what this guy did really amusing!

not a bad effort since the time of the crusaders was centuries after the fall of rome

33 minutes ago, Choke said:

A little off-topic, but a while back some guy playing Crusader Kings 2 managed to exploit a loophole and through much effort, got a horse to become Empress of the Roman Empire:

http://imgur.com/a/K1utf

For those not familiar with the game, it's better explained here:

http://kotaku.com/that-time-a-horse-conquered-the-ancient-world-1757913762

 

Sorry for the off-topic diversion. I just find what this guy did really amusing!

"To make an example of such neighsayers, Hæsteinn quickly sailed to put down this rebellion"

Lol

32 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

not a bad effort since the time of the crusaders was centuries after the fall of rome

Western Rome yes, Byzantine not