1 hour ago, A F said:

Unfortunately, Jack won't make it as a player, so the decision to re-sign him is without doubt political and cultural IMO. Normally I'd be against signing someone of his output, but given what he's been through and the resilience he's shown, these are unusual circumstances worthy of recognition.

No the decision to re-sign him is based on the fact that if he can get anywhere near full fitness, he has a big big upside and is capable of seriously improving our midfield, as he did in his first two years. The doubt is not in his innate ability, it's in whether he can get near to full fitness or not. That can only be judged after he has a full preseason - if that makes no difference to him, if he's no better this time next year than now, then yes, he's gone.

But it's foolish and premature at this stage to delist him on the basis that this is as good as he's going to get.

1 hour ago, A F said:

Unfortunately, Jack won't make it as a player, so the decision to re-sign him is without doubt political and cultural IMO. Normally I'd be against signing someone of his output, but given what he's been through and the resilience he's shown, these are unusual circumstances worthy of recognition.

I refuse to believe that at the stage we're at as a club, we'd re-sign a player on purely a political and cultural basis. The coaching department still see something in him, I'm sure.

7 minutes ago, Django said:

I refuse to believe that at the stage we're at as a club, we'd re-sign a player on purely a political and cultural basis. The coaching department still see something in him, I'm sure.

I think they do but he is also very popular around the club and his team mates love him, how would CP5 feel if we turfed Trenners out after they went through rehab together, what sort of message would that send.

One year on a very low value contract will not break the club and if we replaced him with pick 96 what would that gain us?

 

4 minutes ago, Dante said:

I think they do but he is also very popular around the club and his team mates love him, how would CP5 feel if we turfed Trenners out after they went through rehab together, what sort of message would that send.

One year on a very low value contract will not break the club and if we replaced him with pick 96 what would that gain us?

 

Spot on Dante.

However  after watching yesterday I will be extremely surprised if he improves enough to be a AFL player in 2017.

He is now a plodder in the modern game.

Our future lies elsewhere.

Edited September 26, 20168 yr by old dee

40 minutes ago, Luther said:

I'd compare Trengove's first season to Brayshaw's, and maybe even a little better. He was on track to become a total freak, and there were plenty of comparisons to Jimmy Bartel. Makes his decline so much harder to swallow, but I truly believe he can get himself back to the point where he is a regular in the 22. He is a guy of immense character and football talent.

I remember first seeing Trengove play in an-intra club game in 2010 and being blown away by how smooth and composed he looked.

His problem however, has been that he's never really had any great tricks to his game. Despite his draft testing results he's never been a quick player with good acceleration (even before injury), he doesn't have quick hands and his kicking whilst nice has always lacked penetration.

For an inside midfielder he doesn't get the ball enough and for an outside midfielder he lacks the explosiveness to break away from packs. The Bartel comparison has some merit because he is a good mark over his head but aside from that he doesn't offer much else to really be damaging.

2 hours ago, A F said:

Unfortunately, Jack won't make it as a player, so the decision to re-sign him is without doubt political and cultural IMO. Normally I'd be against signing someone of his output, but given what he's been through and the resilience he's shown, these are unusual circumstances worthy of recognition.

Gee I get grief for some of my posts, but I was embarrassed to read this, he has been given a 1 yr contract.

The same sympathy contract given to Jayden Hunt to see what he can do with hopefully a full pre seson under his belt

10 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

I remember first seeing Trengove play in an-intra club game in 2010 and being blown away by how smooth and composed he looked.

His problem however, has been that he's never really had any great tricks to his game. Despite his draft testing results he's never been a quick player with good acceleration (even before injury), he doesn't have quick hands and his kicking whilst nice has always lacked penetration.

For an inside midfielder he doesn't get the ball enough and for an outside midfielder he lacks the explosiveness to break away from packs. The Bartel comparison has some merit because he is a good mark over his head but aside from that he doesn't offer much else to really be damaging.

While I agree with this, Bartel is a great example of a player who doesn't have any special tricks, but just does everything right just about every time. He's especially good at the uncanny knack of being in the right place at the right time, that JT at his best also shares.

On 20/09/2016 at 1:01 PM, SPC said:

This is a serious question, so don't shoot me down..

Can his speed and explosiveness be improved with a good preseason?

Yes it can Nev Jetta was given a special pre pre season program and  during the pre season improved every single running stat 3k, repeat sprint etc

12 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Gee I get grief for some of my posts, but I was embarrassed to read this, he has been given a 1 yr contract.

The same sympathy contract given to Jayden Hunt to see what he can do with hopefully a full pre seson under his belt

Not a good comparison at all Satyr. Surely it doesn't need to be pointed out that they are completely different situations.

10 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Yes it can Nev Jetta was given a special pre pre season program and  during the pre season improved every single running stat 3k, repeat sprint etc

The biggest issue being that Jetta hadn't had 2 navicular injuries in 2 years, there is no doubt he will still have to be managed carefully so it will be a balancing act as to how much strain can go on that foot.

11 minutes ago, Akum said:

While I agree with this, Bartel is a great example of a player who doesn't have any special tricks, but just does everything right just about every time. He's especially good at the uncanny knack of being in the right place at the right time, that JT at his best also shares.

Bartel has more tricks, he's more creative and even as he gets older I would say he's more explosive.

4 minutes ago, Luther said:

Not a good comparison at all Satyr. Surely it doesn't need to be pointed out that they are completely different situations.

Demonland did howl down the decision to extend Hunt's contact last year; the more generous appraisals insisting he was a Rookie downgrade at best.  The major difference between the two being that Trengove has shown he has the talent to be an excellent AFL player, Hunt spent parts of 2015 in the VFL Development League.  The club has given him a year... the way people are talking on this thread, you'd think he'd been reappointed captain.

8 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Demonland did howl down the decision to extend Hunt's contact last year; the more generous appraisals insisting he was a Rookie downgrade at best.  The major difference between the two being that Trengove has shown he has the talent to be an excellent AFL player, Hunt spent parts of 2015 in the VFL Development League.  The club has given him a year... the way people are talking on this thread, you'd think he'd been reappointed captain.

No thankfully that was a previous administration.

10 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Demonland did howl down the decision to extend Hunt's contact last year; the more generous appraisals insisting he was a Rookie downgrade at best.  The major difference between the two being that Trengove has shown he has the talent to be an excellent AFL player, Hunt spent parts of 2015 in the VFL Development League.  The club has given him a year... the way people are talking on this thread, you'd think he'd been reappointed captain.

I think they did the right thing by offering Trengove a year, as there is improvement in him IMO. But Saty comparing Trengove and Hunt doesn't make a lot of sense. I understand the reluctance of some to support the decision, seeing as his horrendous injuries might have robbed him of the bare minimum pace that is required to make it back to AFL level. Hunt was a developing player without the terrible injury history that Trengove has, and hadn't even played a game.

After going to the game yesterday and a number of Casey games this year I'm sorry to say and I hope I'm wrong but think his done. 

His still relatively young and with a full pre season who knows. 

I also think he's lost some penetration in his kicking. 

Great guy and real trier, but I fear we have seen the best of him. I would love to be proved wrong, but I just think he is too slow for today's game.

34 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Bartel has more tricks, he's more creative and even as he gets older I would say he's more explosive.

JT has tricks.  You said overhead marking, that's a massive strength.  His skills are solid on both sides.  Most important, he knows where to run.

He's a link player with good vision but frustratingly doesn't attack enough.

With the Goodwin program, he'll be an absolute gun next year and definite best 22 I reckon.

 

3 hours ago, A F said:

Unfortunately, Jack won't make it as a player, so the decision to re-sign him is without doubt political and cultural IMO. Normally I'd be against signing someone of his output, but given what he's been through and the resilience he's shown, these are unusual circumstances worthy of recognition.

How can something that's "in your own opinion" be without doubt?

Are we still having a debate about whether it was valid to give a long-term injured player a one-year contract on presumably low money in order to give them a chance to return to fitness, at a time we don't even have a first-round draft pick and already have a pretty good sized list turnover coming?

The mind boggles.

Some people will just fix on something and bang away at it in an effort to sound like they know better.

Trengove's one-year contract is surely neither a big deal nor controversial. 

Needs to train with Usain Bolt if he is going to be a midfielder for us in 2017.

I still love him, but there's no doubting his lack of pace is still holding him back.

Now that he has had a full year of serious volume to his running, he'll be able to concentrate solely on his acceleration and power over the pre-season.

When I look at a player like Matty Boyd, I think to myself that there's still light at the end for Jack.

Maybe a change positionally would be perfect for him.

Edited September 26, 20168 yr by stevethemanjordan

1 hour ago, Luther said:

I think they did the right thing by offering Trengove a year, as there is improvement in him IMO. But Saty comparing Trengove and Hunt doesn't make a lot of sense. I understand the reluctance of some to support the decision, seeing as his horrendous injuries might have robbed him of the bare minimum pace that is required to make it back to AFL level. Hunt was a developing player without the terrible injury history that Trengove has, and hadn't even played a game.

Hunt was out for nearly 2 years with a serious back issue, so hence my comparison, he was even doubtful he would offered another chance

All this rubbish about pace, I was quite quick when I played but I was helped by the ball being delivered cleanly when I was either outside my man or out the back

Sam Mitchell and Jordan Lewis have 4 premierships between them coz they could deliver to the guys with pace, Trengove has the same ability.

Jack and Kennedy are not exactly lightning fast either

Quite simple the FD have given him a year to see what he can do, suggest we do the same, because we all know the result if he doesn't produce

Edited September 26, 20168 yr by Satyriconhome

1 minute ago, Satyriconhome said:

Hunt was out for nearly 2 years with a serious back issue, so hence my comparison, he was even doubtful he would offered another chance

All this rubbish about pace, I was quite quick when I played   bought a new scooter?                        

Sam Mitchell and Jordan Lewis have 4 premierships between them coz they could deliver to the guys with pace, Trengove has the same ability.

Jack and Kennedy are not exactly lightning fast either

Quite simple the FD have given him a year to see what he can do, suggest we do the same, because we all know the result if he doesn't produce

 

37 minutes ago, Luther said:

 

Quick of Lip Service

So it was a quick reply, but didn't cover the points in my post, any answer on those? Nice little joke by the way, of course if it was original, Idris Elba would be proyd of you

 

2 hours ago, Flamingdees said:

After going to the game yesterday and a number of Casey games this year I'm sorry to say and I hope I'm wrong but think his done. 

His still relatively young and with a full pre season who knows. 

I also think he's lost some penetration in his kicking. 

Depresses me that a grown adult doesn't know the difference between his and he's.