Just now, CBDees said:

Twenty free kicks to our five. Considering the fact that we had an equal number of scoring shots, do you think that that may have been the difference (plus the fact that the umpire ignored the the fact that most of their marks were under fifteen metres)?

No.

The umpiring was horrendously one-sided but made no difference to the result (save to say that the free kick paid against Vince for an "arm chop" at the end of the second quarter was a disgrace and cost us momentum and a goal).

Gawn has driven so much of our improvement this year.  Another bona-fide ruckman (Spencer is our only other one) should have played 10++ games with him this year. 

Gawn was burned out today. 

Ruckmen who have to carry it all alone often only have one great year before burning out, E.G. Jamar 2010.  Gawn's needed serious help, and I don't mean someone giving him a "cop out".

Sadly the Geelong game has no significance now. So [censored] off with the MFC I don't think I'll bother watching.

How in the world was Pedersen dropped?

Michie is cooked. Match-day coaching is still a worry, leadership similar. Such incredibly poor decision making all day - we certainly seem to mirror the quality of the teams we play. At least that'd make us difficult if we ever made finals!

No leadership....

On 693 Dom Tyson acknowledged that the Blues were 'hot' from the outset, particularly Cripps and Gibbs, then duly commented that 'we didn't address it'.....wtf were you going to do about it, Dom?

Edited August 21, 20168 yr by jumbo returns

1 hour ago, Petraccattack said:

Last two seasons we are 0-8 vs Essendon, Carlton and St Kilda.

Isn't that just pathetic?

2 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

The thing about our losses to poor sides or when we are favourites to win is that we never lose them in a thrilling, high-quality contest. We always, always, lose them because we aren't switched from the first bounce, we look slow, lazy and disinterested, and we are jumped by a lower-quality side who tries harder than we do.

Every time. 

You could tell from the opening contest that we weren't switched on. Just like last year. And just the Essendon game, both St Kilda games. Similar to the second GC game too.

Leadership was woeful today. We don't have many leaders but Vince and Jones were both horrendous today. Vince has a disgusting habit of lairising and taking the easy/quick option when we are playing lesser opposition. Viney and Gawn are leaders and neither player anywhere near their best.

All three selection decisions were questionable at the time and with the benefit of hindsight were all wrong. Weideman should never have played, he wasn't fit enough when we played Hawthorn to get through a half, let alone the whole game. With a finals spot on the line this was not the game to be giving a friendly run to a kid with an eye on 2017. He wasn't up to it in any way today. His future looks bright but today was not the day to play him. Pedersen would have made a huge difference as he would have been able to compete where Weideman couldn't, and it would have in turn provided Hogan with a chop out. As it was, Hogan was forced up the ground and had no options closer to goal when he was making it at half-forward.

I hope the embarrassment of this loss is some sort of motivation for 2017.

Hogan took 14 marks, ran all day, and was forced by reason of Weideman's lack of fitness to play both CHF and FF. 

He played a good game in circumstances where he had no support and the majority of his teammates were playing woefully.

Poorly directed criticism, IMO.

He may have taken 14 marks but did bugger all with the ball, slow decision making and zero defensive efforts. We would have structured up better with Pederson instead of him and Weiderman as well as the rest of the forward line would have been the better for it. Hogan's adds very little to our forward structure.

Just now, america de cali said:

He may have taken 14 marks but did bugger all with the ball, slow decision making and zero defensive efforts. We would have structured up better with Pederson instead of him and Weiderman as well as the rest of the forward line would have been the better for it. Hogan's adds very little to our forward structure.

Absolute and complete rubbish.

Weideman was appallingly useless today. It's not for a lack of talent, it's fitness, and I'm a fan of his and look forward to him being a mainstay of our side in 2017 and beyond. But due to him being completely incapable of getting to contests, Carlton was able to sit on Hogan all afternoon. He was forced to run up the ground to give us an option bringing the ball out of the backline. He worked hard all day, and other than his goal-kicking his disposal was fine.

The anti-Hogan crap on this board is getting out of control.

4 minutes ago, A F said:

Isn't that just pathetic?

Actually yes.

Looking forward to next year, if we could trade some hot chips and a can of coke for Michie, ANB, Harmes and Dawes I'd take it in a heartbeat 

Michie - Gone.
Dawes - Gone
Dunn - Gone
Lumumba - Gone
Grimes - Gone
Trengrove - Gone
Garland - Gone
ANB - Perhaps trade bait (I have always liked him but I think the writing may be on the wall)
Again proved that we are a better team with Pedo in.
Hogan - Slashing thousands off his contract with each week that goes by...No idea what the hell is going on with his goal kicking as a KPF not being able to slot it with confidence from 40+ is disgusting.
I don't mind losing (I still hate it and it upsets me) when we should lose, we can always take something from that...but when we lose to a team that has lost 9 on the trot with so much to play for is so bloody typical of this club it isn't funny.
I said yesterday that I didn't feel good about today and was proven right, just like both saints games, the first port game, and the Essendon game this stuff will always be sewn into the fabric of the club, it's just something that we have to accept in being a mediocre team.
I don't want to be the next Richmond, I want to be the next Hawthorn, Geelong, Swans.

This season is a success to me, I said 10 wins at the start of the year was a pass and we have achieved that, lets not let today dampen our triumphs this season over GWS, Hawks, port at home and another top 4 team being GWS.
 

Hogan did a lot more than Weideman, however Weideman shouldn't have been picked ahead of Pedo

I seriously thought we were past games like this. We weren't turned on from the start but the Blues didn't look like they'd blow us away after that head start. This should've been a scrappy win but no one stepped up when we had the chances

1 hour ago, 1 red eye 1 blue eye said:

Disappointingly Casey rolled over in the last qtr, so really has been an ordinary day.

They were missing michie, ANB, & Weeds

1 hour ago, Forest Demon said:

Are we a one trick pony? If Gawn doesn't dominate, and feed our inside mid brigade, we lose.

We're a one trick pony like everyone else (except Hawthorn), in that if our midfield is off, we lose. Hence, midfields win games.

1 hour ago, Jaded said:

Congrats to Bolton. Thanks to his clever game day tactics he had a team with A grade spuds and hacks plus 3 good players, rip us to shreds. 

On the other hand, Melbourne with everything to play for, turned up a week too late for this game. Believed their own hype and got too far ahead of themselves. 

Not only did we miss finals by losing this game, we've given North a finals birth without needing to win a game. And St Kilda are above us on the ladder. Triple blow. 

Gawn had his worst game in two years today btw. Not a good time to have a stinker!

That tells me he choked today.

20 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

But why would you flirt with form? 3 changes time a winning side when only 1 was required was stupid, especially considering the weather and dropping hard attacking triersifor a 2nd gamer and a bloke on his last legs who had barely done anything all year

And you bring in a clearance mid, ANB and play him in a pocket, while you are getting smashed in the clearances.

You bring in a skinny kid, on a wet day, for his 2nd game and drop a bigstrong bloke, who can add some grunt in the contest.

You bring in another bloke who has been found wanting numerous times.

You get smashed in the clearances by Cripps and Gibbs and leave them unmanned.

We got what we deserved.

45 minutes ago, stuie said:

I'm not commenting on his talent or potential, I think he'll be a gun. But I've watched him closely all year, and I'm calling it now that his head and heart are back home now and he'll leave.

 

Yep i agree with that Stu....no one truly knows for sure except his manager probably, but my gut feel tells me the same, shortly after his trip back West

Edited August 21, 20168 yr by Rusty Nails

13 minutes ago, wizardinoz said:

Sadly the Geelong game has no significance now. So [censored] off with the MFC I don't think I'll bother watching.

No one should attend. Send the club a message.

My interest in footy is now gone, done, dead and buried. 

Cheers MFC. 

17 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Hogan took 14 marks, ran all day, and was forced by reason of Weideman's lack of fitness to play both CHF and FF. 

He played a good game in circumstances where he had no support and the majority of his teammates were playing woefully.

Poorly directed criticism, IMO.

If you go back and have a look at the context of the criticism it might make more sense. "ProDee" as usual took any chance to absolute rubbish Watts for missing an easy goal. Hogan missed 3, yet he was defending him to the hilt.

 

47 minutes ago, stuie said:

I'm not commenting on his talent or potential, I think he'll be a gun. But I've watched him closely all year, and I'm calling it now that his head and heart are back home now and he'll leave.

 

His set shots are already sprayed half way to Fremantle

46 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Bernie needs a rocket up his ass. [censored] weak and lazy efforts today that resulted in simple diect turnovers.

Bernie needed a week off. Could see that in last week's match

24 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Pedersen would've been a big help especially for that get out kick. He crashes packs and makes and contest if nothing else, Weideman looked lost today

We lost it in the middle today, particularly with clearances, I honestly don't think having Pedo instead of Weed would have made any difference to the result.

 

Just now, stuie said:

If you go back and have a look at the context of the criticism it might make more sense. "ProDee" as usual took any chance to absolute rubbish Watts for missing an easy goal. Hogan missed 3, yet he was defending him to the hilt.

Sorry I meant more the tackles comment.

The fact he laid 0 tackles does not mean he didn't work hard all day, which he did. 

1 minute ago, Rusty Nails said:

Bernie needed a week off. Could see that in last week's match

Bernie is starting to look like how I thought he'd play when we picked him up

1 minute ago, titan_uranus said:

Sorry I meant more the tackles comment.

The fact he laid 0 tackles does not mean he didn't work hard all day, which he did. 

Yeah gotcha. I think he picks and chooses when to put in effort, and that's what I don't like. eg - Chance for a mark = good effort. Opportunity to shepherd or tackle = barely any effort.