3 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

We knew going in that would be the case.

That's not my recollection.

7 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

We knew going in that would be the case.

 

I don't think Essendon are doing anything wrong here, they want this year's 2nd we want to give them next year's because we already gave away our 1st this year. Both clubs are trying to get the best deal, no one's being difficult it's just the way it is. 

We may end up giving them next year's 2nd but with a swap of later picks this year or some other sweetener thrown in.

maybe essendon are worried we will have a great year next year if we finish say 4th the our first pick without any compo being given to any team would be 14, our second pick would be at around 32. with compo, father and son etc that could be anything.  if essendon dont believe we are going to go any good next year i.e. finish 8, then our 2nd round pick could be 26th without compo, etc...  so maybe essendon have faith that we are going to have a good year next year

And Dodoro said "he blinked first"

http://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/video/1800s-two-cowboys-shooting-killing-third-cowboy-in-stock-video-footage/527-175

6 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

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We may end up giving them next year's 2nd but with a swap of later picks this year or some other sweetener thrown in.

But that's such an easy thing to do. Yet a week and a half and it's still not done. Every time I've heard this trade mentioned on SEN, it's been with the comment that "shows what it's like to deal with Essendon".

6 minutes ago, Akum said:

But that's such an easy thing to do. Yet a week and a half and it's still not done. Every time I've heard this trade mentioned on SEN, it's been with the comment that "shows what it's like to deal with Essendon".

And Essendon may regard that as a compliment, that they are tough.

4 minutes ago, Redleg said:

And Essendon may regard that as a compliment, that they are tough.

And if the boot was on the other foot and we didn't play hard ball there would be 55 pages on here immediately

1 minute ago, Satyriconhome said:

And if the boot was on the other foot and we didn't play hard ball there would be 55 pages on here immediately

If not sooner. 

Tom Browne on ch 7 expect deal will get done end of trade week can't come quick enough 

1 hour ago, Brayshaw Self said:

F*ckin hate the guy but we all wish Dodoro worked for the MFC. What an asset.

I vehemently disagree.

Getting deals done > posturing.

He's famous for constipating the trading period and dragging deals out until zero hour yet their list really doesn't look any better for it.

On closer thought, any three way deal with GWS re: Stewart could be as simple as:

MFC 2017 2nd Round Pick & Col Garland to GWS

Stewart & Pick 37 to Essendon 

Hibberd to Melbourne

We keep Pick 29 and Essendon get their precious 2016 2nd Round Pick.

Edited October 18, 20168 yr by AngryAtCasey

The deal will be done because the dead heads in the AFL don't want any more TWSNBN related dichotomy, where another player takes them on during Trade period this time. All the while, two Officials and a Player are on the precipice.

EFC aka drugcheats should get zilch for Hibberd and we should get compo for Marksham. We still are a sad club when nobody wants Dawes,Garland,Spencer and hopefully satin inc. takes Dunn.

4 minutes ago, ENYAW said:

EFC aka drugcheats should get zilch for Hibberd and we should get compo for Marksham. We still are a sad club when nobody wants Dawes,Garland,Spencer and hopefully satin inc. takes Dunn.

Your English is terrible, however your Latin is excellent.

7 minutes ago, Stretch Johnson said:

Your English is terrible, however your Latin is excellent.

Witty

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

And Essendon may regard that as a compliment, that they are tough.

Yeah they might. But Dodo's not admired on SEN; he's ridiculed.

And he may have cost them any number of good trades over the years.

Essendon are flogs. 

 

Absolute flogs.

 

Truly flogs.

 

 

Such flogs.

1 hour ago, AngryAtCasey said:

On closer thought, any three way deal with GWS re: Stewart could be as simple as:

MFC 2017 2nd Round Pick & Col Garland to GWS

Stewart & Pick 37 to Essendon 

Hibberd to Melbourne

We keep Pick 29 and Essendon get their precious 2016 2nd Round Pick.

Not that GWS would take Garland, but how is Stewart worth our 2017 2nd pick and Garland?

How is Hibberd then worth Stewart and pick 37?

4 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Not that GWS would take Garland, but how is Stewart worth our 2017 2nd pick and Garland?

How is Hibberd then worth Stewart and pick 37?

I don't understand why Hibberd doesn't just take Essendon to court and have his contract terminated for the Bombers negligence and lack of Duty of Care to him as an employee.?  And seek the court to order his costs payable by Bombers while he's at it.

No brainer.

3 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Not that GWS would take Garland, but how is Stewart worth our 2017 2nd pick and Garland?

How is Hibberd then worth Stewart and pick 37?

Stewart is likely worth slightly more then Garland, however our 2017 2nd rounder is likely worth more then Pick 37 this year. That's how that element should work itself out.

From Essendon's end if they think Hibberd is worth a 2016 2nd rounder (specifically 29) then 37 with Stewart should balance out.

From our end we get what we want in that we can use our 2017 pick rather then this years, however also have to cough up Garland for that luxury.

Such stark contrast between Essendon and Hawthorn.

I know they are different circumstances but one club just got it done and moves on, the other acts like a child.

Last year we did the exact same, when we could've easily tried to get a 3rd rounder for Melksham we instead just got it done and moved on.

People think Dodoro is a shrewd operator when in fact he is clueless.

GWS don't want Garland..... 

Its either a 2nd rounder this year or next year for Hibberd, fair trade for both parties, can't see this getting held up much more than it already has. 

Getting in Lewis hasn't helped the next year scenario. We suddenly look like a decent side, and if we get into the finals, that second-round pick is going to be even further back than where it is now.

26 minutes ago, Demon17 said:

I don't understand why Hibberd doesn't just take Essendon to court and have his contract terminated for the Bombers negligence and lack of Duty of Care to him as an employee.?  And seek the court to order his costs payable by Bombers while he's at it.

No brainer.

Because that would be a massive, massive pain in the arse?

39 minutes ago, Demon17 said:

I don't understand why Hibberd doesn't just take Essendon to court and have his contract terminated for the Bombers negligence and lack of Duty of Care to him as an employee.?  And seek the court to order his costs payable by Bombers while he's at it.

No brainer.

Mainly because trade week relies on everybody acting reasonably, because they all have to deal with each other again next year, and the year after that.

17 clubs are usually prepared to do the right thing by each other. They try to not get into a situation with the 18th club where they have to rely on them to be reasonable and to do the right thing by everybody else. But sometimes it's unavoidable.

1 hour ago, bing181 said:

Getting in Lewis hasn't helped the next year scenario. We suddenly look like a decent side, and if we get into the finals, that second-round pick is going to be even further back than where it is now.

You're right. Let's give Lewis back. I really didn't want to give up pick 66 anyway