Sam Frost

[Lucifers Hero 40,428]

If we can't get a Hurley type backman player, I would prefer we poach Matthew Scarlett as our backline coach. 

At some stage we need people both on and off the field who have Finals and preferably recent Premiership experience.  Now that Roos is off the books I would throw some of the money in Scarlett's direction.  For his own sake Jake Rawlings needs to move on and get experience elsewhere and Scarlett would be the perfect replacement.  Rejoins Macca so there would be some common minds working together for us.

Prising him away from Cat land may be a whole different story!

[mauriesy 7,378]

10 minutes ago, DubDee said:

I agree it is positive but I can't see us really progressing in the next year or two with such a young inexperienced backline. Who is the leader back there? who organises? 

All top 4 teams have several senior experienced leaders in the back half.  thats why we need to recruit a senior tall defender in the off season - Hurley would be perfect.  or we will keep losing games when we have double the inside 50's (not discounting our missed shots at goals that also lost us the game)

Tom McDonald plays his 100th game this weekend. Neville Jetta has played 89 games. By comparison, Hurley has played 119 games.

I suppose we could always try Dunn (165) and Garland (141).

Edited July 27, 2016 by mauriesy

[beelzebub 23,387]

45 minutes ago, mauriesy said:

Tom McDonald plays his 100th game this weekend. Neville Jetta has played 89 games. By comparison, Hurley has played 119 games.

I suppose we could always try Dunn (165) and Garland (141).

Are you are suggesting that simply because Tmac will have 100 games he is an effective leader  ?

I think its very much more about the ability to lead... Tmac cant. We need someone who can to organise the lads down back

[Akum 2,660]

1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

If we can't get a Hurley type backman player, I would prefer we poach Matthew Scarlett as our backline coach. 

At some stage we need people both on and off the field who have Finals and preferably recent Premiership experience.  Now that Roos is off the books I would throw some of the money in Scarlett's direction.  For his own sake Jake Rawlings needs to move on and get experience elsewhere and Scarlett would be the perfect replacement.  Rejoins Macca so there would be some common minds working together for us.

Prising him away from Cat land may be a whole different story!

Is Sean Wellman available?

[Lucifers Hero 40,428]

18 minutes ago, Akum said:

Is Sean Wellman available?

Even if he is I wouldn't touch him with a barge pole. 

He was so deeply involved with the EFC drug saga and Dank both during and after the saga he is the last person you would want around our young team.  Didn't he also get fined/suspended for betting on an AFL game?

The No DH policy needs to apply to coaching staff as well as players for us to succeed.

[mauriesy 7,378]

59 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

I think its very much more about the ability to lead... Tmac cant.

Who says? He's in the leadership group and last year came third in the B&F. Unless everybody wants to keep potting him ad nauseum.

And who says Hurley can?

[beelzebub 23,387]

2 hours ago, mauriesy said:

Who says? He's in the leadership group and last year came third in the B&F. Unless everybody wants to keep potting him ad nauseum.

And who says Hurley can?

Hurley has to date shownmuch more poise and discretion in play choices. He IS a FB. Tmac isn't. Tmac....really...You rate him as a leader, especially at back ?  Don't share that opinion at all.

[DubDee 26,191]

4 hours ago, mauriesy said:

Tom McDonald plays his 100th game this weekend. Neville Jetta has played 89 games. By comparison, Hurley has played 119 games.

I suppose we could always try Dunn (165) and Garland (141).

T Mac is a leader of sorts... through his actions - hard running, committment to training etc but he is not an organiser

Hurley is different from what Ive seen - players follow him, he uses physciality, has some arrogance.  all triats much needed for us

Garland and Dunn should be filling this hole but their leadership isnt great and their form isnt either.  the fact that they have been in the LG shows how poor we are in this area

[beelzebub 23,387]

58 minutes ago, DubDee said:

T Mac is a leader of sorts... through his actions - hard running, committment to training etc but he is not an organiser

Hurley is different from what Ive seen - players follow him, he uses physciality, has some arrogance.  all triats much needed for us

Garland and Dunn should be filling this hole but their leadership isnt great and their form isnt either.  the fact that they have been in the LG shows how poor we are in this area

tbh...and its not for the sake of harping upon Tmac's limitations but those attributes are just those of a DOER. And fair enough he does do those things.  That of itself has nothing to do with leadership  and as you  rightly suggest he cant organise ( particularly well)

Ive maintained that he makes a good 2nd tall back. We need a FIRST. 

Currently with Tom and Oscar its a bit like the blind leading the blind. Frost is very raw but has a much keener eye and sense of purpose, as well as occasion.

 

[old55 23,799]

1 hour ago, DubDee said:

Hurley is different from what Ive seen - players follow him, he uses physciality, has some arrogance.  all triats much needed for us

9/10 taxi drivers agree

[mauriesy 7,378]

2 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Hurley has to date shownmuch more poise and discretion in play choices.

That's no more leadership than are Tom's good attributes.

[beelzebub 23,387]

45 minutes ago, mauriesy said:

That's no more leadership than are Tom's good attributes.

As such , no. But he does actually guide the play better out of defence . He seems to have a better idea about how to, more strings to his Bow. We may never agree Maurisey. I can live with that.

 

[picket fence 17,738]

Sam played his best game to date!! was really very happy with his pace, attack on the ball and his disposal! Well done young man!

[ILLDieADemon 804]

Finally playing the position we have all been screaming for him to play. 

Frost and the McDonald boys will be the Wall in our defence for the next 10 year. 

[Nasher 33,617]

5 minutes ago, ILLDieADemon said:

Finally playing the position we have all been screaming for him to play. 

I love it how every week, someone says this as if it's a new thing.  He's now played more games back this year than he has forward.  8 weeks ago called, it wants its comment back.

[Earl Hood 6,115]

42 minutes ago, ILLDieADemon said:

Finally playing the position we have all been screaming for him to play. 

Frost and the McDonald boys will be the Wall in our defence for the next 10 year. 

I liked what I saw today and the best part of his play was the typical uncomplicated, play the percentages backman's game. Punch the ball, grab the loose ball and run and kick wide to the defensive flank if there is no other option. Well played Frosty, now can you grab TMac aside and read him the riot act because Tom cancels out his pluses with his risk taking endeavours that just don't need to be taken, by him at least. Yes we need rebound off the half back line but it needs to come thru Hunt and in the future I hope Salem, the Prince and others. Obviously the backline game plan needs further work, as does the rest of our game plan. 

[Dee1987 277]

Hopefully add Hibberd fingers crossed!!

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,950]

I was also impressed by his use of the body to (legally) bump GC players. Many times he provided opportunities for his teammates to either get the ball or have time to dispose of it properly by physically blocking or pushing the GC players off their line. His game wasn't perfect but I have more confidence in him than I do in Garland or Dunn when it comes to taking on the monster forwards. (Note: that last comment reflects my concern about Garland and Dunn not being physically tall enough for the job.)

[Demon Jack 6,931]

The problem is with Frost is that he's not a great contested mark, which means that playing him forward was never going to work. Thank goodness the coaching staff have come to their senses and are now playing him as a defender. It's safe to say that he's now looking more composed by the minute. 

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

20 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

I liked what I saw today and the best part of his play was the typical uncomplicated, play the percentages backman's game. Punch the ball, grab the loose ball and run and kick wide to the defensive flank if there is no other option. Well played Frosty, now can you grab TMac aside and read him the riot act because Tom cancels out his pluses with his risk taking endeavours that just don't need to be taken, by him at least. Yes we need rebound off the half back line but it needs to come thru Hunt and in the future I hope Salem, the Prince and others. Obviously the backline game plan needs further work, as does the rest of our game plan. 

Maybe play Hunt in a 'run with' roll on Tom!!

 ......"Tom do NOT kick on the run under any circumstances, just handball to Hunt... oh wait. Wattsy how do you feel about a run with role on Hunt!??"

Edited August 1, 2016 by Rusty Nails