5 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Keep in mind the list was essentially there and Rocket had done all the hard work really.

I like Roos   Perspective though is...we have just 6 wins !!  boorah !! 

7 wins, tomorrow 8.

Would any lift their assessment of Roos if we can string a run together these last 7 games and make finals? 

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Apples and oranges look at what Roos inherited compared to Beveridge, one of the worst run clubs on and off field in the history of the game.

One of Willy Wonkas oompah loompahs could have taken that list to the finals.

He's proved that.

Yes ....the nucleus of the list may have been there at the Swans but Roos tweaked them ...bought them together & won a premiership...McCartney bought a list together & Beveridge tweaked the list (hasn't yet won a premiership)  The point is everything has to be right for all the "Gods" to align & to win the ultimate prize but for someone to come in & to turn around "off field & on field " in basically the leagues "basketcase" in 3 years & to leave us with a very good chance of playing finals is to me ....amazing ....I so love watching us now & thinking that most games we have a chance of winning is just so rewarding ... After 30 plus years of misery I feel "hopeful" thank you " Roosy" !!

35 minutes ago, Deestar9 said:

Yes ....the nucleus of the list may have been there at the Swans but Roos tweaked them ...bought them together & won a premiership...McCartney bought a list together & Beveridge tweaked the list (hasn't yet won a premiership)  The point is everything has to be right for all the "Gods" to align & to win the ultimate prize but for someone to come in & to turn around "off field & on field " in basically the leagues "basketcase" in 3 years & to leave us with a very good chance of playing finals is to me ....amazing ....I so love watching us now & thinking that most games we have a chance of winning is just so rewarding ... After 30 plus years of misery I feel "hopeful" thank you " Roosy" !!

Well said. I find it very interesting that a lot of people are not crediting Roosy with enough

i think most have forgotten how bad it was when Neeld left. Right through the entire club. 

PJ was on the phone to Roos for 6 months to get him. 

He deserves double billing. 

4 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Clarkson sits comfortably alongside Smith and McHale as one of the best coaches of all time. Comparing Roos to that standard is a bit unfair.

I wasn't the one who brought him up, I was just responding to the discussion of someone else.

5 hours ago, PaulRB said:

Would any lift their assessment of Roos if we can string a run together these last 7 games and make finals? 

Nah... we have done that a few times on the past

I am looking for a little more

14 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

7 wins, tomorrow 8.

Mea culpa. Maths gone to pot.

There are various aspects to what Roos has indeed achieved and there can be no doubt we WERE the basket case many of us feared. . Roos has been a panacea , an antidote even for the maladies that  afflicted Melbourne. 

But all is not right yet. As good as Roos is I don't believe he's the game day coach to win us finals. As good as he is we have yet to beat the team we play today, lowly StKilda.

Let's hope we do. It will mean much. Otherwise we've done nothing but cone full circle to mediocrity. 

Go Dees

Roos is clearly the best coach we have had since Neil Craig ... 5-10 years seems to be about the lifetime of a good senior coach, in that those who don't cut it don't last 5 years, and that those who do rarely go on for more than 10  (with the odd exception like Kevin Sheedy). IMHO that means we can't compare Roos with Northey or Daniher, no matter how tempting it may be.

15 hours ago, Deestar9 said:

Yes ....the nucleus of the list may have been there at the Swans but Roos tweaked them ...bought them together & won a premiership...McCartney bought a list together & Beveridge tweaked the list (hasn't yet won a premiership)  The point is everything has to be right for all the "Gods" to align & to win the ultimate prize but for someone to come in & to turn around "off field & on field " in basically the leagues "basketcase" in 3 years & to leave us with a very good chance of playing finals is to me ....amazing ....I so love watching us now & thinking that most games we have a chance of winning is just so rewarding ... After 30 plus years of misery I feel "hopeful" thank you " Roosy" !!

Yep - the measure isn't just winning a flag although that of course is the ultimate aim. Building a list/culture/club that can seriously challenge (ie repeat top 4 finishes) for a number of years gives you the best chance to win a flag. I think Roos has helped do that but of course the proof of the pudding is in the eating .

So how's everyone's thinking going ? 

14 hours ago, beelzebub said:

So how's everyone's thinking going ? 

Only the narrow minded would change their views based on the week to week performance of the side. Over the long term the trajectory is pointing up and should continue over the next few years.

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Only the narrow minded would change their views based on the week to week performance of the side. Over the long term the trajectory is pointing up and should continue over the next few years.

Sorry DG, if we have this mentality, we are doomed for failure. The speed of the upward trajectory is all important. And to achieve that, we need to be a destination club for A-Graders, not B, C and D graders like Hibberd, Melksham, Kennedy and Bugg.

It's been a slow burn under Roos, and if we lost key personnel like T. Mac and Hogan in the next 2 years, we are back to where we started when Roos took over.

4 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Only the narrow minded would change their views based on the week to week performance of the side. Over the long term the trajectory is pointing up and should continue over the next few years.

My thoughts haven't really changed much actually.

I wouldn't have thought so.

7 or 8 win seasons probably don't stack up with the Smith's, Northey's and Daniher's of the world.

 

Fast losing patience with our coaching staff. They are clueless about some things including how to beat the Saints at Etihad. 

 

Roos has been tremendous for the club as has Bernie Vince.  But the proposition in the OP is like "Is Bernie Vince our best player since Robbie?"