9 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Without checking every game, Jack has found himself playing at Casey nearly every week (even tho named on the extended bench or the 'final' 25) and has not often made it to be the game day emergency so if someone falls ill he does not get the spot.

I just think the clubs approach is wearing thin.

Keeping in mind a couple we played on a saturday meaning when he wasnt played he then played for casey anyway. The club cant have the same player as game day emergency too many times because it hampers their match fitness. I know he traveled to tassie for that week. I'm not sure if he has traveled any others. But I would be surprised if Jack didnt get a chance, his good form has been mentioned by Roos a couple of times. We will have a couple of loses in this tough run home so expect him to play when people inevitably get dropped. 

Plapp's VFL reviews are basically all positive but his latest one for Grimes speaks volumes. He considers Casey very fortunate to be having Grimes in the team week on week, and the clear message was that he should be playing in the AFL side.

I'm glad Jack isn't getting a game, because he makes us a more unreliable football side. 

16 minutes ago, AdamPleb said:

I'm glad Jack isn't getting a game, because he makes us a more unreliable football side. 

Selections should be made on form, not preconceptions. Grimes has well and truly earned his opportunity.

If Matt Jones can improve to a point where his absence from the side can become noteable, anything is possible.

I heard from a confidential and reliable source that Grimes isn't getting a game because he crop dusted Roos. 

17 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I heard from a confidential and reliable source than Grimes isn't getting a game because he crop dusted Roos. 

Crop dusted?!

2 minutes ago, SaberFang said:

Crop dusted?!

It's when you fart silently as you walk past someone close range, and continue walking. 

It seems to me there's a huge supporter (and club, even) divide between Trengove and Grimes. Obviously there's correlation between the two, both ex co-captains, first round picks who showed a ton of potential in their early days and then struggled to handle the pressure. Seems the majority have sided with Trengove and can't wait for Grimes to get out the door and to me it's slightly unfair. Trengove's struggle to come back has won a lot of hearts, he probably has better potential, and he's younger, but he isn't without fault in his game. Grimes remains a handy footballer who isn't getting a chance

1 hour ago, P-man said:

Selections should be made on form, not preconceptions. Grimes has well and truly earned his opportunity.

If Matt Jones can improve to a point where his absence from the side can become noteable, anything is possible.

I'd say form, ability and depth. Grimes has form.

Grimy needs to look for another club,not up to AFL standard……. has been NEELDED

25 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

I'd say form, ability and depth. Grimes has form.

He also has ability.

I have been a Grimes critic in the past. He's frustrated me. But at some stage the weight of criticism went well beyond reasonable.

He's clearly deserved a game this season in comparison others who have been given chance after chance, seemingly irrespective of performance.

1 hour ago, Je Roos Salem said:

It seems to me there's a huge supporter (and club, even) divide between Trengove and Grimes. Obviously there's correlation between the two, both ex co-captains, first round picks who showed a ton of potential in their early days and then struggled to handle the pressure. Seems the majority have sided with Trengove and can't wait for Grimes to get out the door and to me it's slightly unfair. Trengove's struggle to come back has won a lot of hearts, he probably has better potential, and he's younger, but he isn't without fault in his game. Grimes remains a handy footballer who isn't getting a chance

Having met Grimes he's one of the best blokes you'll meet and I've always been a fan, but saying that Grimes and Trengove are basically in the same boat in terms of circumstance is a fair way off IMO -

Trengove was always a clever mid with a good tank, reliable setshot inside 50 and used the ball well. At his best Grimes was a good half back flank who read the ball well.

Trengove's form slump was likely to be injury related before his diagnosis. Grimes has been somewhat consistent over the journey with the current FD obviously feeling that he doesn't have all of the attributes that they want for the positions that he's being asked to play, preferring  younger quicker guys on the flanks, and guys with a bit more dash and agility on the wings.  

 

19 minutes ago, DemonWA said:

Having met Grimes he's one of the best blokes you'll meet and I've always been a fan, but saying that Grimes and Trengove are basically in the same boat in terms of circumstance is a fair way off IMO -

Trengove was always a clever mid with a good tank, reliable setshot inside 50 and used the ball well. At his best Grimes was a good half back flank who read the ball well.

Trengove's form slump was likely to be injury related before his diagnosis. Grimes has been somewhat consistent over the journey with the current FD obviously feeling that he doesn't have all of the attributes that they want for the positions that he's being asked to play, preferring  younger quicker guys on the flanks, and guys with a bit more dash and agility on the wings.  

 

Well Trengove's being nursed back in despite lacking speed/agility. He's given it a crack though. I think in Grimes' first few years many talked him up as a future club champion. We seriously could've used him in place of a tall in the wet last game

On 21 June 2016 at 6:31 AM, JV7 said:

The fact is Grimes & Roos don't see eye to eye. Haven't from the day Roos came into the club. Half way through last year he had conceded he was gone at season end, with a year to run on his contract & no takers in the trade period he stayed on. He has known from the start of the year that his time at the MFC is up. His hoping to get his 2 games to get to 100... Unless something has changed in the last 6 months, Jack won't be at the dees next year which is disappointing considering everything his been through & grew up a die hard dees fan..

Almost brings a tear to one's eye.

 

Hope he gets an opportunity at another club and does well. He deserves it. 

He will have even less chance of playing for us next year with melksham and maybe hibberd. And hunt Wagner etc all older

I really hope Jack Grimes gets to play 100 games for this club. There are very few players before him that deserve it more.

 

2 hours ago, Je Roos Salem said:

It seems to me there's a huge supporter (and club, even) divide between Trengove and Grimes. Obviously there's correlation between the two, both ex co-captains, first round picks who showed a ton of potential in their early days and then struggled to handle the pressure. Seems the majority have sided with Trengove and can't wait for Grimes to get out the door and to me it's slightly unfair. Trengove's struggle to come back has won a lot of hearts, he probably has better potential, and he's younger, but he isn't without fault in his game. Grimes remains a handy footballer who isn't getting a chance

Disposal, disposal, disposal

28 minutes ago, P-man said:

He also has ability.

I have been a Grimes critic in the past. He's frustrated me. But at some stage the weight of criticism went well beyond reasonable.

He's clearly deserved a game this season in comparison others who have been given chance after chance, seemingly irrespective of performance.

I disagree strongly.

Jack Grimes is very limited as a modern footballer. His strength is an ability to read the ball and that he's a reasonably good mark for his size. His disposal is very poor... almost unacceptable, he isn't quick and he gets pushed around easily. Love the guy's persistence and heart, but his card was marked as soon as Hunt and Wagner showed form. With Salem and H set to come back at some point (hopefully) and Vince and NJones perhaps spending more time across half back as they age, we have no spots left. He's not a prospective key back so cannot be compared to the Mac bros. Nev Jetta improved all his deficiencies to become a valuable small back, not such a different role from what Jack could have become. For better or worse, speed and precise rebound across half back have become king, and we have too many turn over merchants as it is. 

Stuck on 98. There's little room for sentimentality in AFL these days.

Just now, Mach5 said:

Disposal, disposal, disposal

That's not much of a reason given who's in front of him. Our defence knows how to stuff up even the most simple of options

1 minute ago, Moonshadow said:

I disagree strongly.

Jack Grimes is very limited as a modern footballer. His strength is an ability to read the ball and that he's a reasonably good mark for his size. His disposal is very poor... almost unacceptable, he isn't quick and he gets pushed around easily. Love the guy's persistence and heart, but his card was marked as soon as Hunt and Wagner showed form. With Salem and H set to come back at some point (hopefully) and Vince and NJones perhaps spending more time across half back as they age, we have no spots left. He's not a prospective key back so cannot be compared to the Mac bros. Nev Jetta improved all his deficiencies to become a valuable small back, not such a different role from what Jack could have become. For better or worse, speed and precise rebound across half back have become king, and we have too many turn over merchants as it is. 

Stuck on 98. There's little room for sentimentality in AFL these days.

I understand he has deficiencies but if he's putting in consistently strong performances at VFL level, how can you be certain as to the degree he has improved upon those deficiencies until they are once again tested at AFL level? He hasn't played a game this season. Not one.

He's also being played in a variety of more attacking roles in the seconds so he doesn't necessarily need to be pigeonholed in the backline. 

I'll be bitterly disappointed of the club doesn't see fit to get him to 100 games given the servant he has been. It's two games ffs. In a season we are pretty clearly not playing finals in. But nah, let's give Kent another three or four games in a row to put in lacklustre efforts until that one game he does something useful. 

Agree to disagree.

3 minutes ago, P-man said:

I understand he has deficiencies but if he's putting in consistently strong performances at VFL level, how can you be certain as to the degree he has improved upon those deficiencies until they are once again tested at AFL level? He hasn't played a game this season. Not one.

He's also being played in a variety of more attacking roles in the seconds so he doesn't necessarily need to be pigeonholed in the backline. 

I'll be bitterly disappointed of the club doesn't see fit to get him to 100 games given the servant he has been. It's two games ffs. In a season we are pretty clearly not playing finals in. But nah, let's give Kent another three or four games in a row to put in lacklustre efforts until that one game he does something useful. 

Agree to disagree.

I hope that would be the very last reason to give a guy a senior game or keep him on the list. Actually, I'd say that is no reason to do it. We are bigger than that now. 

I'll agree to disagree.

We're not playing finals

his lack of strength/size went downhill as soon as he started that vego banana eating diet...

4 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

I hope that would be the very last reason to give a guy a senior game or keep him on the list. Actually, I'd say that is no reason to do it. We are bigger than that now. 

I'll agree to disagree.

Don't get bogged down by that. I've said repeatedly I think he deserves a chance on merit. It's not simply about charity. But doing the right thing by the player does come into it.

I have heard there is a little bit of interest in grabbing Grimes as a free agent from at least two AFL clubs, not sure if either will go ahead but Essendrug and the Brisbane Lions are a chance to give him a lifeline and i really hope one of them does.