Jack Watts' Game

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,449]

Gawn goes to FP and Pedo/Frost goes to ruck. 

Or Gawn to the bench and Pedo/Frost goes to the ruck and we go smaller up fwd for a few minutes each qtr and mix it up.  

If a tall goes down throughout the game obviously can/could cause an issue.

I think the coaches will continue to play them both for the immediate future.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Its not so much for the Pedo/Frost debate but as in managing rotations and playing teams like the Dogs/Port. 

I'm not debating which one is better, I'm saying they have different roles and play very differently, so I wouldn't be thinking about them the same way when thinking of replacements in the 22.

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4 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

He might just be arriving...

obviously/hopefully !  

5 hours ago, stuie said:

Frost IS a runner.

Drop Pedo, he's not.

 

we want them to play-tall & hard,  first of all,  then the running is a bonus. otherwise we may as well play JKH instead.

lets see them crash packs,  mark or bring the ball to our smalls.  & to run to defend,  & then to receive.

20 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Either/or, I thought the point had some merit.

or TMac comes forward as leadup CHF to play thru the mids & Frost goes back to defence.  Leaving Hogan Watts & Pedo in the pocket & ruck.?

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1 minute ago, dee-luded said:

we want them to play-tall & hard,  first of all,  then the running is a bonus. otherwise we may as well play JKH instead.

Sooooooo didn't watch the first 3 quarters on Saturday?....

 

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4 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

He might just be arriving...

obviously/hopefully !  

5 hours ago, stuie said:

Frost IS a runner.

Drop Pedo, he's not.

 

we want them to play-tall & hard,  first of all,  then the running is a bonus. otherwise we may as well play JKH instead.

lets see them crash packs,  mark or bring the ball to our smalls.  & to run to defend,  & then to receive.

20 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Either/or, I thought the point had some merit.

or TMac comes forward as leadup CHF to play thru the mids & Frost goes back to defence.  Leaving Hogan Watts & Pedo in the pocket & ruck.?

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6 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Someone made a great point yesterday (might have been P-man or Monnocular, can't remember) if Watts maintains his purple patch do we look to drop possibly Frost and play the extra runner.

It wasn't me, but if Jack maintains the aggression and contested marking that he did on Saturday we probably won't need both Frost and Pedersen. 

Where does one find the stats for goal assists/involvements?

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,449]

Oliver named round 1 rising star.

[Akum 2,660]

48 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Gawn goes to FP and Pedo/Frost goes to ruck. 

Or Gawn to the bench and Pedo/Frost goes to the ruck and we go smaller up fwd for a few minutes each qtr and mix it up.  

If a tall goes down throughout the game obviously can/could cause an issue.

I think the coaches will continue to play them both for the immediate future.

 

 

It will solve the problem when Petracca comes in - one of them will have to go out. That will restore the forward-line balance. They only need Hogan & Watts as the talls. We need more speed & crumbers.

What bothers me is the possibility that the only reason they're both picked is that neither of them are adequate as a chop-out for Gawn.

I can see why they want to put games into Frost, but he's not earning them on performance at the moment. It also bothers me that they seem to be avoiding playing Frost in defence (e.g. when O-Mac went off) or contesting any ball-ups. I thought he was recruited as a "swing-man", but they seem to be avoiding using him as one. Going to be a loooooooooong time before Frost's worth his place as a forward alone.

 

[monoccular 17,607]

^^

Yes. I was surprised that Frost wasn't used to replace Oscar when he went down. His one set shot at goal did not exactly inspire confidence in him as a tall forward.  Still, I like his athleticism and he could be devlpoped as a Biclavs (?sp) type ruck rover, who could fill in for an injured defender. 

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

In terms of attack on the ball, body language and influence on the outcome (ie., goal assists, solid passing up the field, contested marks, marks i50) i would say that's the best game i've seen one Mr J Watts play for this club.

He has now set a standard. Now for the consistency (with this type of standard as a minimum benchmark).

Solid stuff Jacky boy!

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57 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Oliver named round 1 rising star.

This is relevant to a Jack Watts thread how?

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6 minutes ago, olisik said:

This is relevant to a Jack Watts thread how?

Read it, 

was excited,

and sick of starting new threads.

Edited March 28, 2016 by Bombay Airconditioning

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Wow did anyone just see Jonathan Brown just show vision of Watts and Hogan working in tandem with Watts Blocking Davis so Marchbank could go with Hogan.

Was seriously good to watch! Could Watts be the combo partnership thag Jesse is looking for?

[Akum 2,660]

21 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Wow did anyone just see Jonathan Brown just show vision of Watts and Hogan working in tandem with Watts Blocking Davis so Marchbank could go with Hogan.

Was seriously good to watch! Could Watts be the combo partnership thag Jesse is looking for?

That's not the half of it. These two are developing a great understanding.

Edited March 28, 2016 by Akum

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On 26 March 2016 at 6:54 AM, Petraccattack said:

Worked it out.  if anyone has any gif requests let me know... can do them without the cheesy captions I added on

 

 

Even though it's not Watts, could you please be bothered making a GIF of Pedo's shirtfront where he absolutely cleans up.

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5 minutes ago, Dee Gee said:

Even though it's not Watts, could you please be bothered making a GIF of Pedo's shirtfront where he absolutely cleans up.

You mean the one where he should have tackled and GWS ended up getting a shot on goal?.....

 

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2 minutes ago, stuie said:

You mean the one where he should have tackled and GWS ended up getting a shot on goal?.....

 

The beauty of the GIF is we won't see that part

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12 hours ago, monoccular said:

Yes. I was surprised that Frost wasn't used to replace Oscar when he went down. His one set shot at goal did not exactly inspire confidence in him as a tall forward.  Still, I like his athleticism and he could be devlpoped as a Biclavs (?sp) type ruck rover, who could fill in for an injured defender. 

I wasn't the big idea around Frost is that he will be able to get out of the back of defences due to his pace, this combined with his ability to put pressure on in the forward half is why he will be used there. I can see him having a 3-4 goal game, not due to his disposal being well, but more so because when we are able to get those goals over the top of the press he will be one who can take advantage of it.
That said, his set shot was a lot better than Pedersons....

 

Watts was good, the thing i like most is that he was willing his team mates on. 24-25 is usually when taller players come on and the fact that he was 17 on the list was never going to help his development, heres hoping he can keep this form up but also can't wait for the standard boots to come out if/when he has a lapse in form.

Edited March 28, 2016 by Mad_Melbourne

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1 hour ago, Mad_Melbourne said:

I wasn't the big idea around Frost is that he will be able to get out of the back of defences due to his pace, this combined with his ability to put pressure on in the forward half is why he will be used there. I can see him having a 3-4 goal game, not due to his disposal being well, but more so because when we are able to get those goals over the top of the press he will be one who can take advantage of it.
That said, his set shot was a lot better than Pedersons....

 

Watts was good, the thing i like most is that he was willing his team mates on. 24-25 is usually when taller players come on and the fact that he was 17 on the list was never going to help his development, heres hoping he can keep this form up but also can't wait for the standard boots to come out if/when he has a lapse in form.

I'm wondering when our coaches come to the realisation that Frost isn't a forward. He doesn't have the smarts to use his athleticism to get to contests, and doesn't have much natural ability full stop. Replace O Mac with him as a permament backman, and give Dunn a crack up forward. Use Pedersen as a 2nd ruck/forward.

Watts and Hogan are smart players, but neither Pedersen or Frost complement them.

[binman 44,138]

A terrific game from Watts. Lots of positive comments on this thread which is terrific. Three really resonated with me:

• His intensity after kicking his goal in the last was terrific - you could see he was willing his teammates to win. As noted this is leadership and was great to see. Incidentally it was a terrific mark - he read the ball beautifully. One of 10 he took for the day, at least 3 of which being contested. 
• This sort of game is the benchmark and should be his touchstone. He has played better games for the dees and as someone pointed out it is a myth that he needs a break out game (as if his 100 games have all been nothing but a rehearsal for his coming of age). But - and it is a big but - this is one of the few times he has imposed himself on the game and as the OP suggests through his effort dragged us over the line for a win
• Webber's comments about the different rate players  develop was salient in terms of Watts development. One thing i'd add is that that many players say they don't feel they are really developed until they have hit the 100 game mark. The next 3-4 years are likely to be Watts' best 

A few other observations/comments:

• I would love for him to get his average possession up to 20 (he may well have made that number if not for the bad cork he got) as he brings his teamamtes into the game with both his kicks and handballs
• Such was his impact in the last i was really surprised he only had 5 touches in the last. Four of them were score involvements.
• Two of those score involvements showed his skill. His spin and handball to VB was sublime but it was his kick to a leading Hogan that really caught my eye. He had to kick it quickly but was close to the man on the mark so had little space. Off half a step he kicked across his body and popped it into the hole for Hogan to run to. Looked simple - and i guess most players should be able to execute such a kick - but still had to deliver. And did. 
• Watts brought Hogan into the game. As someone noted there is growing chemistry between the two (i liked Hogans'comment about his eyes lighting up when Watts has the ball)
• I love that Watts is taking players on and really backing himself. In my view not always doing so has been one of his key issues holding him back and has, in part, fueled the perception he is soft. There were at least 3 examples of him really taking the tackler on and using his skills. I wonder if Macca is a factor with this

Edited March 28, 2016 by binman

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that watt's baulk, blind turn then handball to avdb was a thing of beauty. could watch it all day

reminded me of schwarter in his nureyev period

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27 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

that watt's baulk, blind turn then handball to avdb was a thing of beauty. could watch it all day

reminded me of schwarter in his nureyev period

The game goes in to 'slow motion' when he has the ball.

 

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17 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Gawn goes to FP and Pedo/Frost goes to ruck. 

Or Gawn to the bench and Pedo/Frost goes to the ruck and we go smaller up fwd for a few minutes each qtr and mix it up.  

If a tall goes down throughout the game obviously can/could cause an issue.

I think the coaches will continue to play them both for the immediate future.

 

 

Bombay would u kindly refrain from using the combination of words Pedo/Ruck In the same sentance In any future posts. Your co-operation on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thank you

Edited March 29, 2016 by Rusty Nails

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On 26/03/2016 at 9:43 AM, DeeZee said:

Jacks always had brilliance ,tremendous vision and silly skills,and the only thing that was lacking was the aggression and the contested work.

It looks like he has addressed that over the summer and looks like no flash in the pan as he has been consistently good four games in a row now.

Has the Messiah finally risen?

Well, it was Easter, wasn't it?

And believe it or not, when we play Essendon it will be Easter Saturday so Jack Watts can be messianic once again.

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2 hours ago, binman said:

A terrific game from Watts. Lots of positive comments on this thread which is terrific. Three really resonated with me:

• His intensity after kicking his goal in the last was terrific - you could see he was willing his teammates to win. As noted this is leadership and was great to see. Incidentally it was a terrific mark - he read the ball beautifully. One of 10 he took for the day, at least 3 of which being contested. 
• This sort of game is the benchmark and should be his touchstone. He has played better games for the dees and as someone pointed out it is a myth that he needs a break out game (as if his 100 games have all been nothing but a rehearsal for his coming of age). But - and it is a big but - this is one of the few times he has imposed himself on the game and as the OP suggests through his effort dragged us over the line for a win
• Webber's comments about the different rate players  develop was salient in terms of Watts development. One thing i'd add is that that many players say they don't feel they are really developed until they have hit the 100 game mark. The next 3-4 years are likely to be Watts' best 

A few other observations/comments:

• I would love for him to get his average possession up to 20 (he may well have made that number if not for the bad cork he got) as he brings his teamamtes into the game with both his kicks and handballs
• Such was his impact in the last i was really surprised he only had 5 touches in the last. Four of them were score involvements.
• Two of those score involvements showed his skill. His spin and handball to VB was sublime but it was his kick to a leading Hogan that really caught my eye. He had to kick it quickly but was close to the man on the mark so had little space. Off half a step he kicked across his body and popped it into the hole for Hogan to run to. Looked simple - and i guess most players should be able to execute such a kick - but still had to deliver. And did. 
• Watts brought Hogan into the game. As someone noted there is growing chemistry between the two (i liked Hogans'comment about his eyes lighting up when Watts has the ball)
• I love that Watts is taking players on and really backing himself. In my view not always doing so has been one of his key issues holding him back and has, in part, fueled the perception he is soft. There were at least 3 examples of him really taking the tackler on and using his skills. I wonder if Macca is a factor with this

This doesn't happen very often but I think we can forgive his below 20 possie game because of the corkie he got. He looked in considerable amounts of pain immediately after it and was very clearly hampered for the 2nd quarter and much of the 3rd. That he was able to come out the other side of that in the 4th is a credit to him, one which I'm not sure he would've had the fortitude to do in previous years.

But you are right, the more he gets the ball and delivers lace out to Hogan the better!

Also wasn't it great to see him back his pace and agility that we heard so much about in his early days!