KingDingAling 3,758 Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 On 09/12/2015 at 09:04, stuie said: Gary Ablett Sr. That enough of a star for you? Expand No, not really, he wasn't an interstate player, completely different situation to Jesse Hogan. Plus Ablett wasn't a star when he left Hawthorn, he was wayward and unpredictable, there was no certainty at the time he'd even line up at Geelong.
stuie 7,374 Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 On 09/12/2015 at 09:11, KingDingAling said: No, not really, he wasn't an interstate player, completely different situation to Jesse Hogan. Plus Ablett wasn't a star when he left Hawthorn, he was wayward and unpredictable, there was no certainty at the time he'd even line up at Geelong. Expand Right, so you won't accept any examples unless it's exactly the same situation, the player has the same name, same club, same date of birth and same birthmark... You wanted an example of a budding star player who changed teams in Victoria. Gary Ablett Sr. is exactly that.
Curry & Beer 5,444 Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 On 09/12/2015 at 09:00, KingDingAling said: Why would Hogan leave MFC for another Vic club? That is a harder question to answer. He won't, it simply doesn't happen. I asked you to name another player in Hogan's position that it happened to and you thrown up FA's, fringe players and reformed drug addicts. Jesse Hogan is a budding young superstar, he has developed friendships at the MFC and started his career here, on top of that we can afford to pay him a top dollar, he isn't going to jump ship to another Vic club. Expand I told you why, if one of them can orchestrate the type of farce that got Judd to Carlton instead of Melbourne - $$$$$$$$$$ Say whatever you want about the salary cap, it is an easily avoidable obstacle through which loopholes can navigate
KingDingAling 3,758 Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 On 09/12/2015 at 09:13, stuie said: Right, so you won't accept any examples unless it's exactly the same situation, the player has the same name, same club, same date of birth and same birthmark... You wanted an example of a budding star player who changed teams in Victoria. Gary Ablett Sr. is exactly that. Expand There were other examples, they fallen under fringe players, players looking for more opportunities, and WADA players. I would put Ablett under the category of looking for opportunities.
KingDingAling 3,758 Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 On 09/12/2015 at 09:17, Curry & Beer said: I told you why, if one of them can orchestrate the type of farce that got Judd to Carlton instead of Melbourne - $$$$$$$$$$ Say whatever you want about the salary cap, it is an easily avoidable obstacle through which loopholes can navigate Expand Ok, I will take your word for it C&B.
stuie 7,374 Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 Or how about... Jeremy Howe, Brad Ottens, Denham/Barnes...
Curry & Beer 5,444 Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 On 09/12/2015 at 09:20, KingDingAling said: Ok, I will take your word for it C&B. Expand you will surrender the argument without firing a shot you mean unbelievable
KingDingAling 3,758 Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 On 09/12/2015 at 09:20, stuie said: Or how about... Jeremy Howe, Brad Ottens, Denham/Barnes... Expand Ottens is a fair call.
PaulRB 6,436 Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 Earl "the perl" Spalding! Shane Woewodin Both Boys from WA too...
Mach5 4,768 Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 On 09/12/2015 at 08:10, KingDingAling said: Wasn't Henderson a FA? Suckling a FA? Melksham and Carlisle rare cases - for obvious reasons. Kennedy and Fitzpatrick left due to lack of opportunity. Yarran basically thrown out. How are these players even remotely comparative to Jesse Hogan? Expand Henderson wasn't a FA.
spirit of norm smith 16,684 Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 On 09/12/2015 at 05:00, Redleg said: And if his knee is stuffed? Expand Just trade for Watts ...
olisik 4,060 Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 On 09/12/2015 at 11:24, spirit of norm smith said: Just trade for Watts ... Expand Watts is a free agent. We have missed that boat.
Chook in Perth 2,109 Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 On 09/12/2015 at 09:13, stuie said: Right, so you won't accept any examples unless it's exactly the same situation, the player has the same name, same club, same date of birth and same birthmark... You wanted an example of a budding star player who changed teams in Victoria. Gary Ablett Sr. is exactly that. Expand Gary Ablett played for Drouin in 1983. Good try though kid.
Good Times Grimes 2,396 Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 On 09/12/2015 at 08:46, Carlos Danger said: I haven't got a whole lot of interest in either of them. Trading our "2017 first round draft pick" for another club's first rounder in 2016 would be my preference. Expand Why not? Either of them would immediately make our team better and wouldn't require the development that a draft pick would. They're also both proven high-quality AFL players, whereas draft picks are purely speculative. By the time 2017 rolls around, we should be a very competitive side and be looking to top it off. Prestia/O'Meara would be ideal targets for us.
stuie 7,374 Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 On 09/12/2015 at 13:30, Chook in Perth said: Gary Ablett played for Drouin in 1983. Good try though kid. Expand What state is that located in again kid?......
Its Time for Another 4,310 Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 On 09/12/2015 at 21:39, stuie said: What state is that located in again kid?...... Expand Missing the point. He didn't go to another VFL Club. He left the entire Comp for a season or two. For reasons that have been speculated on ever since.
stuie 7,374 Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 On 09/12/2015 at 22:23, It's Time said: Missing the point. He didn't go to another VFL Club. He left the entire Comp for a season or two. For reasons that have been speculated on ever since. Expand Mate I was having a joke...
old dee 24,098 Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 On 09/12/2015 at 22:24, stuie said: Mate I was having a joke... Expand A rare commodity around Demonland most days!
Its Time for Another 4,310 Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 On 09/12/2015 at 22:24, stuie said: Mate I was having a joke... Expand Ottens is a good call. And of course resulted in us getting Maloney. Say no more.
Lord Travis 10,819 Posted December 10, 2015 Posted December 10, 2015 Think we missed the boat with Prestia. If we couldn't lure him away the past two years, I don't think we'll get him next year if other more successful Victorian clubs enter the race. O'Meara will go somewhere else like Hawthorn or Collingwood.
H_T 3,049 Posted December 10, 2015 Posted December 10, 2015 On 09/12/2015 at 13:30, Chook in Perth said: Gary Ablett played for Drouin in 1983. Good try though kid. Expand Drouin - Hawthorn ('82) - Myrtleford - Geelong ('84) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Ablett,_Sr. On 09/12/2015 at 22:23, It's Time said: Missing the point. He didn't go to another VFL Club. He left the entire Comp for a season or two. For reasons that have been speculated on ever since. Expand Played 6 games at Hawks, before returning to VFL from Myrtleford to Geelong. Believed he failed to settle in the big smoke early days.
Mach5 4,768 Posted December 10, 2015 Posted December 10, 2015 On 10/12/2015 at 01:25, Lord Travis said: Think we missed the boat with Prestia. If we couldn't lure him away the past two years, I don't think we'll get him next year if other more successful Victorian clubs enter the race. O'Meara will go somewhere else like Hawthorn or Collingwood. Expand I'm not necessarily saying we're a monty to get him, but the last 2 years he was contracted and we had not yet shown the clear signs of improvement that will be on display this coming season.
Grand New Flag 3,227 Posted December 10, 2015 Posted December 10, 2015 The club is all over Prestia and is quietly confident. The fact we traded out next seasons 1st round pick is of little consequence. We can trade 2017 first round for a start. If Prestia says he wants to be traded to Melbourne, he will be a Dee in 2017. Our performance this season is very important for Prestia and perhaps Hogan, but I also hear that contract negotiations for Hogan are going very well and he could be signed to a mega deal before round 1. Fingers crossed!!
Curry & Beer 5,444 Posted December 10, 2015 Posted December 10, 2015 On 10/12/2015 at 02:30, Grand New Flag said: The club is all over Prestia and is quietly confident. The fact we traded out next seasons 1st round pick is of little consequence. We can trade 2017 first round for a start. If Prestia says he wants to be traded to Melbourne, he will be a Dee in 2017. Our performance this season is very important for Prestia and perhaps Hogan, but I also hear that contract negotiations for Hogan are going very well and he could be signed to a mega deal before round 1. Fingers crossed!! Expand I've said it many times before, but I love you.
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