I fully respect Martin Flanagan but...

[Dee-mon 9]

Not a footy topic but relevant in our times!

I fully respect Martin Flanagan for his great writing about our club.

However, today he's entered into the world of politics and rising an article about "Paris attacks: Why I'm with Waleed Aly, not Andrew Bolt."

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I fully respect both Martin and Waleed. But I wanted to post a reply to Martin expressing my view at the email The Age posted as a means to reply.

I'm getting back a Delivery has failed to these recipients or distribution lists:

Find it strange The Age post an avenue to respond to the journalist but when following that avenue I get a null / failed to deliver response.

It's important that we (mere peoples) are able to respond to the Powers That Be!

With out too much questioning, why is Martin Flanagan weighing in on political topics such as supporting a public declaration for Waleed, against Bolt (a rival newspaper). Not that there is a Bolt supporter here.

Strange

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

The only part I found strange was he somehow managed to mention Luam Jurrah in the article.

[Outside fifty 967]

Surely Flanagan has the right to express his personal views just as much as you or I. Andrew Bolt has the same right. Having read the piece I suspect it has nothing to do with who writes for which paper but rather a defence of a viewpoint that he is sympathetic with. I haven't read Bolts piece and I won't. He also attacked Mark Kenny who writes for the Australian. I won't read that either.

[daisycutter 29,616]

Surely Flanagan has the right to express his personal views just as much as you or I. Andrew Bolt has the same right. Having read the piece I suspect it has nothing to do with who writes for which paper but rather a defence of a viewpoint that he is sympathetic with. I haven't read Bolts piece and I won't. He also attacked Mark Kenny who writes for the Australian. I won't read that either.

well i read flanagan's, aly's, bolt's and kenny's pieces and i'm none the wiser on the issue

refusing to read both sides' opinions is a bit of an ostrich approach

[Outside fifty 967]

Bit harsh DC. At no time did I offer a personal opinion on the subject or the article, other than to state Flanagan's possible motivation for writing the piece. Nor did I pass judgement on either Kenny or Bolt's article's.

[daisycutter 29,616]

Bit harsh DC. At no time did I offer a personal opinion on the subject or the article, other than to state Flanagan's possible motivation for writing the piece. Nor did I pass judgement on either Kenny or Bolt's article's.

i got that impression because you said you won't read bolt's or kenny's articles, with the implication that you didn't think they were worth reading

apologise if i misunderstood

[hardtack 10,537]

Not a footy topic but relevant in our times!

I fully respect Martin Flanagan for his great writing about our club.

However, today he's entered into the world of politics and rising an article about "Paris attacks: Why I'm with Waleed Aly, not Andrew Bolt."

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-grey-area-is-safe-against-extremists-if-we-stand-united-20151119-gl31wp.html#ixzz3s5CcAnUP

Follow us: @theage on Twitter | theageAustralia on Facebook

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I fully respect both Martin and Waleed. But I wanted to post a reply to Martin expressing my view at the email The Age posted as a means to reply.

I'm getting back a Delivery has failed to these recipients or distribution lists:

Find it strange The Age post an avenue to respond to the journalist but when following that avenue I get a null / failed to deliver response.

It's important that we (mere peoples) are able to respond to the Powers That Be!

With out too much questioning, why is Martin Flanagan weighing in on political topics such as supporting a public declaration for Waleed, against Bolt (a rival newspaper). Not that there is a Bolt supporter here.

Strange

The problem here is that the title of your topic seems to be inferring that the issue is with Martin Flanagan, when in actual fact the issue is the rejection of your emailed response; hardly Flanagan's fault. Have you tried contacting The Age (by phone) to see if they are aware of the problem (or even post on their Facebook page)?

Edited November 21, 2015 by hardtack

[Gator 17,351]

It was a "nothing" article.

[Guest]

Flanagan has started to move into the field of sports journalism now he is in the latter part of his career. I see no issue with him whatsoever making this comment as it was his stock in trade for years on end.

I'm enjoying the lack of hysteria coming from our government these days. While we can count on News Ltd. to give us our monthly supply of reactionary horseshit at least they aren't tag teaming with people who are supposed to be sober gentleman creating laws designed for the greater good.

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

Flanagan has started to move into the field of sports journalism now he is in the latter part of his career. I see no issue with him whatsoever making this comment as it was his stock in trade for years on end.

I'm enjoying the lack of hysteria coming from our government these days. While we can count on News Ltd. to give us our monthly supply of reactionary horseshit at least they aren't tag teaming with people who are supposed to be sober gentleman creating laws designed for the greater good.

I must say I've been pretty impressed with this too.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

On 11/22/2015 at 0:04 PM, Colin B. Flaubert said:

Flanagan has started to move into the field of sports journalism now he is in the latter part of his career. I see no issue with him whatsoever making this comment as it was his stock in trade for years on end.

I'm enjoying the lack of hysteria coming from our government these days. While we can count on News Ltd. to give us our monthly supply of reactionary horseshit at least they aren't tag teaming with people who are supposed to be sober gentleman creating laws designed for the greater good.

Are you one of the uneducated DC posted about previously? Read only fairfax and watch the abc? 

Edited December 14, 2015 by Wrecker45

[Guest]

10 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

Are you one of the uneducated DC posted about previously? Read only fairfax and watch the abc? 

I live in Japan wrecker. 

[hardtack 10,537]

6 minutes ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

I live in Japan wrecker. 

Where in Japan Colin?  I've spent a bit of time over there on and off due to my ex being from Kawasaki.  Love the place. 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, hardtack said:

Where in Japan Colin?  I've spent a bit of time over there on and off due to my ex being from Kawasaki.  Love the place. 

I'm in the countryside in Aichi (Central Japan) at the moment hardtack. My wife is from this area so it was the main reason I moved here. 
This is my 6th year here. I lived here for five years prior to this and have come back for my third stint. It is a lovely country.
We even have wind farms across the bay from us. It just makes me want to put my tin foil hat on and delve into some Andrew Bolt columns. 

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[hardtack 10,537]

7 minutes ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

I'm in the countryside in Aichi (Central Japan) at the moment hardtack. My wife is from this area so it was the main reason I moved here.
We even have wind farms across the bay from us. It just makes me want to put my tin foil hat on and delve into some Andrew Bolt columns. 

Haha... lucky they don't have solar panels there... apparently they suck all of the sunlight away from surrounding vegetation, causing it to die.

I haven't been to Aichi-ken, but have been to Iwate-ken up the north east and stayed in a small place called Fujisawa-cho... I got to visit a lovely fishing village called Kesenuma which was sadly destroyed in the tsunami.

Edited December 14, 2015 by hardtack

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1 minute ago, hardtack said:

Haha... lucky they don't have solar panels there... apparently they suck all of the sunlight away from surrounding vegetation, causing it to die.

Crap on a stick! There is a factory producing them not far from where I live.

Upon reflecting upon this shocking turn of events, I should start checking my Snickers bars to make sure the New World Order aren't putting microchips in the peanuts to track my movement. Surely their heinous behavior doesn't stop at fabricating stories about global warming.

I haven't been too far up north. I have been as far as Niigata. Most of my time has been spent in either Chubu (Central Japan) or Kanto (Tokyo and metro area). I have spent a bit of time in Kanagawa but don't think I have been to Kawasaki yet.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

15 hours ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

I'm in the countryside in Aichi (Central Japan) at the moment hardtack. My wife is from this area so it was the main reason I moved here. 
This is my 6th year here. I lived here for five years prior to this and have come back for my third stint. It is a lovely country.
We even have wind farms across the bay from us. It just makes me want to put my tin foil hat on and delve into some Andrew Bolt columns. 

Keep wearing that tin foil hat until you can explain to me why there is no statistical warming in the atmosphere for the last 18 years.

[hardtack 10,537]

1 hour ago, Wrecker45 said:

Keep wearing that tin foil hat until you can explain to me why there is no statistical warming in the atmosphere for the last 18 years.

It's because all of the heat and light from the sun keeps getting sucked up by those damned solar panels!  Don't you read the press?

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

Keep wearing that tin foil hat until you can explain to me why there is no statistical warming in the atmosphere for the last 18 years.

Before we continue this little tete a tete, may I assume that you are referring to the graph Andrew Bolt produces from NOA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) that supposedly shows the hottest year post 1997 being 1998?

[Tim 3,418]

On 21 November 2015 at 0:44 PM, Outside fifty said:

 He also attacked Mark Kenny who writes for the Australian. I won't read that either.

Mark Kenny of Fairfax? 

And you won't read it because…?

 

[Dr John Dee 1,057]

2 hours ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

Before we continue this little tete a tete, may I assume that you are referring to the graph Andrew Bolt produces from NOA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) that supposedly shows the hottest year post 1997 being 1998?

I think you'll find that the 18 year 'figure' is the one promoted by no lesser an authority than that not-scientist, not-Lord Monckton. Bolt ... Monckton ... not sure there's much difference ...

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, Dr John Dee said:

I think you'll find that the 18 year 'figure' is the one promoted by no lesser an authority than that not-scientist, not-Lord Monckton. Bolt ... Monckton ... not sure there's much difference ...

The same Lord Monckton who believes that climate change is a conspiracy leading to one world government? And that the UN engineered Tony Abbott's removal as PM (never mind the fact that Abbott is that dense that light actually bends around him)?

And are we talking about the same graph that Waleed Aly showed on the project a few nights ago? The same one that Carl Meares, the man who generated the data from that graph, said has been misrepresented in that it has been used to show warming figures in isolation but ignores all records before the 1997 period? If you look at the records in their entirety, they clearly shows that temperatures are at their highest level historically since the industrial revolution. It's easy to put a positive spin on things when you use such a low benchmark for what passable warming is (kind of like the way some Melbourne supporters think about our football club).

A first year Arts degree should teach you that critical thinking entails looking at all information and not just choosing that which agrees with you. Unfortunately some on here could stand to take research skills 101 again rather than parroting the lines of their lord and master.

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[Dr John Dee 1,057]

5 hours ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

The same Lord Monckton who believes that climate change is a conspiracy leading to one world government? And that the UN engineered Tony Abbott's removal as PM (never mind the fact that Abbott is that dense that light actually bends around him)?

And are we talking about the same graph that Waleed Aly showed on the project a few nights ago? The same one that Carl Meares, the man who generated the data from that graph, said has been misrepresented in that it has been used to show warming figures in isolation but ignores all records before the 1997 period? If you look at the records in their entirety, they clearly shows that temperatures are at their highest level historically since the industrial revolution. It's easy to put a positive spin on things when you use such a low benchmark for what passable warming is (kind of like the way some Melbourne supporters think about our football club).

A first year Arts degree should teach you that critical thinking entails looking at all information and not just choosing that which agrees with you. Unfortunately some on here could stand to take research skills 101 again rather than parroting the lines of their lord and master.

Yep, the very same one. I rather enjoy this: https://bbickmore.wordpress.com/lord-moncktons-rap-sheet/

It's a bit dated now but so is not-Lord Monckton's influence on the climate debate (his influence on the odd Demonland poster or two is another matter).

And the same not-Lord Monckton who was so keen to be regarded as a member of the House of Lords because he thought it had something to do with peer-reviewing of scientific papers.

Interesting, too, that you should mention Arts degrees since not-Lord Monckton's authority rests in an MA. Only one from Cambridge though (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_Arts_%28Oxbridge_and_Dublin%29 ... I know, it's only from Wikipedia, but it's just background)

[Biffen 12,943]

On 11/21/2015 at 1:07 PM, daisycutter said:

well i read flanagan's, aly's, bolt's and kenny's pieces and i'm none the wiser on the issue

refusing to read both sides' opinions is a bit of an ostrich approach

There is an article in response to Waleed Aly in the Age from Paul Monk.

It was in the Politics section with a small headline,now gone.

It suggested Islam needs an enlightenment and that Waleed draws a long bow in blaming Colonialism for ruining the institutions that made Islam become what is is today.

The Age has moved the article to its nether regions but in the interests of balanced reading it is a must.

Aly persists with the idea that the Christian reformation was a bloody rampage killing 5-15 million people.

Monk is a polymath ,one of Australia's most formidable public minds but probably cannot play any Pink Floyd solos.

 

 

 

[Gator 17,351]

In the interests of balance, here's Bolt's reply to Aly:

Let us focus instead on Aly’s claim that my statement that satellite data shows no statically significant warming for some 18 years is false and that even an RSS scientist, Carl Mears, says so.

In fact, Aly himself is wrong because you can see with your own eyes the RSS data showing that warming pause Aly claims doesn’t exist: 

 

Aly is wrong because you can see with your own eyes the University of Alabama at Huntsville data that confirms the existence of that pause Aly claims doesn’t exist: 

 

Aly is wrong because you can read yourself that this same Carl Mears he quotes has in fact admitted to the pause Aly claims doesn’t exist:

Recently, a number of articles in the mainstream press have pointed out thatthere appears to have been little or no change in globally averaged temperature over the last two decades.  Because of this, we are getting a lot of questions along the lines of “I saw this plot on a denialist web site.  Is this really your data?” While some of these reports have “cherry-picked” their end points to make their evidence seem even stronger, there is not much doubt that the rate of warming since the late 1990’s is less than that predicted by most of the IPCC AR5 simulations of historical climate.  This can be seen in the RSS data, as well as most other temperature datasets.

Aly is wrong because even the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change two years ago in its most recent report admitted (albeit very grudgingly) to the pause Aly denies, and tried to explain it away:

The observed global-mean surface temperature (GMST) has shown a much smaller increasing linear trend over the past 15 years than over the past 30 to 60 years…

This difference between simulated and observed trends could be caused by some combination of (a) internal climate variability, (b) missing or incorrect radiative forcing, and (c) model response error.... 

In summary, the observed recent warming hiatus, defined as the reduction in GMST trend during 1998–2012 as compared to the trend during 1951–2012, is attributable in roughly equal measure to a cooling contribution from internal variability and a reduced trend in external forcing (expert judgment, medium confidence). The forcing trend reduction is primarily due to a negative forcing trend from both volcanic eruptions and the downward phase of the solar cycle. However, there is low confidence in quantifying the role of forcing trend in causing the hiatus, because of uncertainty in the magnitude of the volcanic forcing trend and low confidence in the aerosol forcing trend.

Aly is wrong because even Professor Matthew England, an Australian scientist as passionately warmist as Aly himself, nevertheless now admits there has indeed been the warming pause that Aly denies, even if, like Mears, he seeks excuses for it:

The near two-decade long “pause” in rising average global surface temperatures was a “distraction” that did not change long-term model predictions of a much ­hotter world this century, according to new research.

Climate scientists at University of NSW said “natural variability” could explain the slowdown or “hiatus” despite strongly rising ­levels of carbon ­dioxide in the ­atmosphere…

Research leader Matthew ­England said ...  “It is simply due to decadal variability. Greenhouse gases will eventually overwhelm this natural fluctuation,” he said…

“This much-hyped global warming slowdown is just a distraction to the task at hand”.

Aly is wrong. Aly has misinformed his viewers.