Bigots.

Bigots everywhere.

Bigots.

Bigots everywhere.

Yes but is he an A grader?

What a stupid comment.

I'm guessing most AFL players are Christian.

I doubt it...

I'm meeting Real Madrid players at a press event today. I'll see if Ronaldo is available.

LOL I actually put my religion down as Jedi but I acknowledge my Christian roots.

I think to be "Christian" and to be "Catholic" means different things to a lot of people. I am not religious but I classify myself as Christian.

Anyway, I've taken this off-topic. Sorry.

Which shows a lack of understanding on their parts, given that Catholicism is a tradition of the Christian faith.

would a big ot be something to do with the old testament (ot)?

I doubt it...

Which shows a lack of understanding on their parts, given that Catholicism is a tradition of the Christian faith.

Yep the only practising Christians I know are Gary Ablett, the Swallow brothers, and Alex Rance.

To get Dangerfield via FA and then trade in another gun would be unbelievable.

Makes you wonder though, considering Roos stating that he'd ideally like a mid and a tall, that if we snagged Danger via FA then we would trade in an up and coming tall..

Is Dixon Victorian?

No. He's a Queenslander. Doesn't mean anything though. I'd take him. May as well take Dangerfield and Prestia as well. Thank you very much.

I sense a lot of people here think of Christians as smugly moralistic and intolerant of the opinions and behaviour of others. Please understand that this is not true Christianity. True Christianity is where we recognise that we are fundamentally unable to get to Heaven, to connect with God. Therefore, we must humbly ask Him to come to us. We must ask Him to do what He wants to do, which is to bridge the gap between humanity and the divine. There is no pecking order where some of us are morally superior to others.

I understand that some of you guys don't believe in a God, or a Heaven -- I'm just hoping that you recognise that there are Christians who aren't self righteous [censored] lol.

Anyhow, back to the footy.

Unfortunately, the problem with Christianity and most religions is that they can be interpreted in any way. This can be good, but it can equally be incredibly dangerous. Everyone is well within their right to practice or not practice any faith they wish. That decision should be done to the individual, but there can't be any denying that religion has been the route of just about every war in the past 100 years, with perhaps the exception of the Vietnam and Korean Wars.

1) Clubs, particularly shrewd ones like Sydney, don't rate draft picks anywhere near as highly as supporters do. There's no way they'll offload a good player like Parker for what is essentially a lottery ticket. A bird in hand and all that. If anything, they're much more likely to offer "reasonable" value for players they want - see first round draft picks for modest role players Ted Richards and Darren Jolly.

2) If they truly have salary cap issues, they won't offline players out of their top tier, they'll lose middle players (see Heffernan/Blumfield/Caracella from the Bombers mid-00s). I doubt they have issues anyway - they wouldn't have taken Franklin and Tippett if it meant having to ditch really talented mids. There would be some magic happening under the bonnet there somewhere.

3) Adding guff (Fitz, Spencer et al) does not increase the value of the trade, it devalues it. Sydney do not want our junk.

I know I was being a smartarse with my previous comment, but in Sydney's shoes I would truly dismiss the trade with a curt "not interested".

Yeah, I'm not sure Sydney are as shrewd as they once were under Roos.

Yep the only practising Christians I know are Gary Ablett, the Swallow brothers, and Alex Rance.

I'm sure there are others, but they'd be in the minority these days. There would be probably a few who identify with their 'Christian roots' as we call them in this thread, but it's doubtful they practice. But then, they're perhaps just as legitimate Christians as the ones who go to Church once or twice a week.

Yes but is he an A grader?

He's no Christiano Ronaldo.

I sense a lot of people here think of Christians as smugly moralistic and intolerant of the opinions and behaviour of others. Please understand that this is not true Christianity. True Christianity is where we recognise that we are fundamentally unable to get to Heaven, to connect with God. Therefore, we must humbly ask Him to come to us. We must ask Him to do what He wants to do, which is to bridge the gap between humanity and the divine. There is no pecking order where some of us are morally superior to others.

I understand that some of you guys don't believe in a God, or a Heaven -- I'm just hoping that you recognise that there are Christians who aren't self righteous [censored] lol.

Anyhow, back to the footy.

The Cloud Fairy is just that.

I thought the only kosher religion allowed to be discussed here is football.

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1) Clubs, particularly shrewd ones like Sydney, don't rate draft picks anywhere near as highly as supporters do. There's no way they'll offload a good player like Parker for what is essentially a lottery ticket. A bird in hand and all that. If anything, they're much more likely to offer "reasonable" value for players they want - see first round draft picks for modest role players Ted Richards and Darren Jolly.

2) If they truly have salary cap issues, they won't offline players out of their top tier, they'll lose middle players (see Heffernan/Blumfield/Caracella from the Bombers mid-00s). I doubt they have issues anyway - they wouldn't have taken Franklin and Tippett if it meant having to ditch really talented mids. There would be some magic happening under the bonnet there somewhere.

3) Adding guff (Fitz, Spencer et al) does not increase the value of the trade, it devalues it. Sydney do not want our junk.

I know I was being a smartarse with my previous comment, but in Sydney's shoes I would truly dismiss the trade with a curt "not interested".

All good Nasher, no offence taken, don't mind a bit of friendly banter.

I think Parker came on quicker than most expected, even Sydney. The trick would be to offer a deal to good to refuse and get him to request a trade. Having said that most likely won't happen. You get the feeling whatever happens will blindside everyone.

No. He's a Queenslander. Doesn't mean anything though. I'd take him. May as well take Dangerfield and Prestia as well. Thank you very much.

Unfortunately, the problem with Christianity and most religions is that they can be interpreted in any way. This can be good, but it can equally be incredibly dangerous. Everyone is well within their right to practice or not practice any faith they wish. That decision should be done to the individual, but there can't be any denying that religion has been the route of just about every war in the past 100 years, with perhaps the exception of the Vietnam and Korean Wars.

Yeah, I'm not sure Sydney are as shrewd as they once were under Roos.

Hey Adam. Sorry I feel the need to respond to this. I won't be visiting this thread any longer, in the hope that this derailment discontinues (I typed this in word, hence the different font. No plagiarism I promise!).

You cannot invalidate a worldview based upon the failure of adherence of that worldview –- to live consistently with the teachings of that worldview. Jesus would not be implicated in the kinds of acts you’re probably thinking (i.e. 9/11) – he would not have led crusades, or the inquisition. He wouldn’t conduct jihad. The fact that religious zealots of all different stripes engage in these sort of activities does absolutely nothing to impugn the truth of the teachings of Jesus – he himself could not be indicted for these sorts of acts.

The abuses of religion does nothing to undercut the existence of God. In fact, on the Christian view of the fallenness of man, we ought rather to expect such abuses of religion because it is so symptomatic of a fallen humanity – that they would take the best and most beautiful things, and twist them in to ugly and misshapen forms.

Hey Adam. Sorry I feel the need to respond to this. I won't be visiting this thread any longer, in the hope that this derailment discontinues (I typed this in word, hence the different font. No plagiarism I promise!).

You cannot invalidate a worldview based upon the failure of adherence of that worldview - to live consistently with the teachings of that worldview. Jesus would not be implicated in the kinds of acts youre probably thinking (i.e. 9/11) he would not have led crusades, or the inquisition. He wouldnt conduct jihad. The fact that religious zealots of all different stripes engage in these sort of activities does absolutely nothing to impugn the truth of the teachings of Jesus he himself could not be indicted for these sorts of acts.

The abuses of religion does nothing to undercut the existence of God. In fact, on the Christian view of the fallenness of man, we ought rather to expect such abuses of religion because it is so symptomatic of a fallen humanity that they would take the best and most beautiful things, and twist them in to ugly and misshapen forms.

Jesus is a CLOUD FAIRY

Stop quoting his view on real events.....

would a big ot be something to do with the old testament (ot)?

No, it's someone who works very long hours.

Oh, and the only reason "god" exists is essentially because people are afraid of dying.

Oh + oh... and to take the word of the bible as, pardon the pun, gospel, is fraught with danger... imagine if factual news articles were written by telling a story to one person, getting that person to whisper it to the person next to them and so on via thousands upon thousands of other people with the last person in the chain typing up the completed news item. Chinese whispers I believe it is called and that is precisely what the bible is comprised of.

'land is such a knowledge database, who needs uncle google

The abuses of religion does nothing to undercut the existence of God.

The only thing undercutting the existence of god is the complete and utter lack of evidence.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The burden of proof is on you

etc etc

Ok, I dont come over here (from bigfooty) as much as I would like to - and I'm starting to remember why.

Mods, could please I ask you to please tidy up this thread by deleting anything off topic?..

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Oh contraire! the two most important questions facing mankind

Is there a God?

Will the MFC attract an A grade midfielder?

Both require a ot of faith in the face of huge unknowns.

Continue...

I will accept the existence of God when it is proven to me. Faith is not proof.

I will accept that we can get an A grade midfielder when it happens. I have no faith in faith.

http://www.sportsfan.com.au/melbourne-needs-to-start-taking-risks/tabid/91/newsid/170083/default.aspx?cid=SF_LOWDOWN_AFL_article_melbourneneedstostarttakingrisks_210715#ooid=FyaGJkdjoTmoQRYNNcvoPvEbmYt7Uzqu

If we all pray together in unison, the good lord will deliver the A grade midfielder for sure.

The only thing undercutting the existence of god is the complete and utter lack of evidence.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The burden of proof is on you

etc etc

If this is correct, you could never be rational in believing a report on the morning news that the winning pick in last night’s lottery was a certain number. This is because it is an extraordinarily improbable event and therefore you should never believe a report of such a thing. But clearly that’s ridiculous.

In establishing the probability of an event, you must consider more than simply the inherent probability of that event. You also have to take into account the probability of the evidence be just as it is, had that event not taken place.

So, with respect to the miracles in the resurrection of Jesus, the question would be what is the probability that we should have things like the empty tomb, post-mortem appearances of Jesus, the sudden origin of the disciple’s faith (facts which are widely accepted by New Testament scholars), if in fact the resurrection had not occurred.

Also I think there are some very strong arguments for God existence, in addition to the inner witness of the Holy Spirit. This would take way too much time to cover though. Type ‘reasonable faith’ (for beginners) on google if you’re interested.

Mods please ban me. I love arguing about these thing way too much, and have horrible self-control .

(Written in word. Hence the different font).