only for the right price, as he can kick but is on the soft side.. and we already have way too much of that sort of kind hearted soft, in our culture, & our list. adding more can stilt the attempts to rid it; & get a hard nosed

I wouldn't have called Suckling soft and cannot remember any instances where he has appeared so? Is slim which people often associate with softness, but I haven't seen anything untoward. But he isn't someone I'd want us to give a lot to get.

Matt Suckling of the Hawks is OOC and has put off talks. Would be a nice pick up for the right price - deadliest foot in the league.

For the right price? How about zero? He's an unrestricted FA.

Matt Suckling of the Hawks is OOC and has put off talks. Would be a nice pick up for the right price - deadliest foot in the league.

I think we would have to pay well overs for him. Before looking at Suckling I would look at how well Malceski is doing at the Suns. These types of players always look alot better in good sides.

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I think we would have to pay well overs for him. Before looking at Suckling I would look at how well Malceski is doing at the Suns. These types of players always look alot better in good sides.

That's why it's usually better adding those players once you've got your inside, contested grunt. We have that now. We should be targeting these types now. I'd be going McKenzie at Gold Coast.

I think we would have to pay well overs for him. Before looking at Suckling I would look at how well Malceski is doing at the Suns. These types of players always look alot better in good sides.

great point.

For the right price? How about zero? He's an unrestricted FA.

If he's a free agent, we still have to make him a money offer.

That's why it's usually better adding those players once you've got your inside, contested grunt. We have that now. We should be targeting these types now. I'd be going McKenzie at Gold Coast.

Have we, I think we're still a couple away.

Have we, I think we're still a couple away.

I agree that we are a couple of players away before we really have enough grunt in the middle, but we can't just focus on one aspect of building a side and ignore the other. There's nothing wrong with picking up Suckling and also going for one or two bigger bodied, inside midfielders.

I think it's important that we pick up a couple of the best kids out of this draft and then look at trading in some bargain picks.

It seems the drafts may well have less and less talent going forward with the best kids now starting to move to soccer . We need to build the list around Hogan, Brayshaw, Viney and co now and looking to be a top 4 team in 4 years.

If we can get a good deal for Howe who looks like he has interest from GWS then I would take it. It would need to be for a player not much older than 22 so he fits our profile. It will depend how much they want him but I would be playing hard for someone like Tomlinson or even Coniglio with a trade of picks.

Have we, I think we're still a couple away.

What I meant was that we will add to our inside grunt again this off season and we should also be adding to our outside stocks. We need good ball users. And I'm certainly not happy with our midfield. It still needs two more off seasons.

I agree that we are a couple of players away before we really have enough grunt in the middle, but we can't just focus on one aspect of building a side and ignore the other. There's nothing wrong with picking up Suckling and also going for one or two bigger bodied, inside midfielders.

Bang on.

Have we, I think we're still a couple away.

Couple of years??Or What

I wouldn't have called Suckling soft and cannot remember any instances where he has appeared so? Is slim which people often associate with softness, but I haven't seen anything untoward. But he isn't someone I'd want us to give a lot to get.

I recall seeing him some seasons, ago playing well run & carry with a nice kick. recent seasons, it seems, he isn't considered in the hawks top-18 ? ... and I've been told by a few Hawthorn friends, that he isn't so great at the contested ball, but I'm willing to be stood corrected on that, as I haven't watched him all that much.

happy to hear from others here, as to how hard suckling is, or not hard, if that be?

I think we would have to pay well overs for him. Before looking at Suckling I would look at how well Malceski is doing at the Suns. These types of players always look alot better in good sides.

I agree b_r_f_e.... & michael young, as a bit of a blue on our account, comes to mind, as well as the heffernone one, was a bummer as well.

I think it's important that we pick up a couple of the best kids out of this draft and then look at trading in some bargain picks.

It seems the drafts may well have less and less talent going forward with the best kids now starting to move to soccer . We need to build the list around Hogan, Brayshaw, Viney and co now and looking to be a top 4 team in 4 years.

If we can get a good deal for Howe who looks like he has interest from GWS then I would take it. It would need to be for a player not much older than 22 so he fits our profile. It will depend how much they want him but I would be playing hard for someone like Tomlinson or even Coniglio with a trade of picks.

This. I would rather pry loose a good young player than get a pick for Howe. If we can add a handy 20-22 year old to our core then I'd be happy with that.

I would hope that we look to trade our first pick again, as there should be some good quality players available. If not, draft the best player we can with our pick.

Even though he has been horrible tonight I still think Leuenberger would be a handy get for the right place. Being played as a stay at home forward, which is not his role, and with Stef Martin dominating he might be gettable.

Hyerthetical, crows match danger offers and he is forced to draft, do we pick him with our likely early pick?

absolutely, but it's not going to happen so it sadly doesn't matter.

personally i don't think suckling will help us - we already have a plethora of half-back flankers, and he's going to be 28 next year.

Hyerthetical, crows match danger offers and he is forced to draft, do we pick him with our likely early pick?

He wouldn't last to our pick if that happened. Whoever had the first pick would take him.

absolutely, but it's not going to happen so it sadly doesn't matter.

personally i don't think suckling will help us - we already have a plethora of half-back flankers, and he's going to be 28 next year.

Not saying Suckling is right necessarily, but Salem is the only back flanker we have (soon to be midfielder) that can kick a football properly. We need to target these type of players.

yes, but then what do we do with the ones that we've got?

can't see us getting rid of lumumba, and if cross goes on and we sign up garland and grimes, it means including salem we have five, and then unless suckling can play as part of the midfield - and, hey, who's to say he can't? - we are looking too loaded up in that area i reckon.

would suckling make us a better side? absolutely, i'd expect. so i wouln't be upset if we got him!

apparently we're at 100% of the cap at the moment? presumably jamar is taking a big chunk of that and i can't see him going on.

McKenzie, M Jones, Bail and Terlich would head the list for me at the moment.

GOOOORRRRRNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!! all of them!!!

That is the biggest load of rubbish.. i have played State footy before and the one thing on becoming a good successful winger is having a big engine and speed. Because all day you have to be prepared to be running up and down the wings and willing to spread hard from the stoppages and be that next option out in space. You don't need to be a good overhead mark to be a successful winger because if you are smart enough and spread hard you should be out on the space taking a nice easy uncontested mark and continue to provide run.

And to prove how wrong your ridiculous theory is both Jimmy Toumpas and James Aish have played 6 games each this year and Toumpas has already taken more marks then Aish already. So to me it shows he is spreading hard and getting the uncontested marks out in space. So without doing any kind of research your just trying to sink the boots into Toumpas for no particular reason just like that other Plonk Picket Fence.

Massive fail again

Try again.

Hey Dazzle man ( not having a dig here) but given your "Credentials" at State Level, and a Winger

Care to speak about Rob Flower in terms of only winning one B&F and also how he managed to be Best on the Ground in any given State game but never won a Brownlow??

I would be very interested in your opinion on this ! Genuine!

Fence

yes, but then what do we do with the ones that we've got?

can't see us getting rid of lumumba, and if cross goes on and we sign up garland and grimes, it means including salem we have five, and then unless suckling can play as part of the midfield - and, hey, who's to say he can't? - we are looking too loaded up in that area i reckon.

would suckling make us a better side? absolutely, i'd expect. so i wouln't be upset if we got him!

apparently we're at 100% of the cap at the moment? presumably jamar is taking a big chunk of that and i can't see him going on.

It's one thing to have multiple players that play in that position, it's another thing to have players that play that position well. The only two that have played well this year are Salem and Cross. Lumumba has made an effort to take the game on, but has been a little disappointing. And I don't think that either Garland or Grimes impact the game at all. Jetta has also been a disppointment this year.

We are in desperate need of a quality creative half back or back pocket to assist Salem. Considering that we mainly play with a spare man in defence, our backmen rarely create any attack. Having said that, I wouldn't be going for Suckling, who is soft. I'd rather have a crack at Trent McKenzie who seems to be out of favour at GC or Yarran.