Yep - this will make us a top 4 team.

Terlich hasn't even played a senior game this year, McKenzie has played one or two - but we've still been hammered by GWS, Sydney, Hawthorn and Port.

Clearly fair to put the blame squarely at these players who've not even played in some of those games.

If they can't break into a team that struggles to win more than 4 games do you think they're worth keeping then?

If Jamar retires is Jones eligible for the veterans list ?

If Jamar retires is Jones eligible for the veterans list ?

Don't you mean When

Yep - this will make us a top 4 team.

Terlich hasn't even played a senior game this year, McKenzie has played one or two - but we've still been hammered by GWS, Sydney, Hawthorn and Port.

Clearly fair to put the blame squarely at these players who've not even played in some of those games.

What a spud... these players are all gone and Casey list cloggers. It frees up room for 6-7 players from under 18s and Available players from other clubs

Grimes dropped again, who'd want him and what would we get?

To be honest we all thought we had a player when we drafted him. He was Vic Metro captain but for whatever reason you choose to believe he is clearly not part of the coaching groups plans. Yes he's contracted for next year but as we know Goodwin will be part of list management discussions so he doesn't have the luxury of the new coach coming in.

Get over the fact he's gone and think about what we can get.

Fourth round pick. At best.

He's more value to us as a depth player than as trade bait, as at least we know what we will get from him and he's better than our current depth players.

Fourth round pick. At best.

He's more value to us as a depth player than as trade bait, as at least we know what we will get from him and he's better than our current depth players.

Firstly how much is left on his contract has to be a factor. Secondly is there another VB out there.

Edited June 6, 201510 yr by Al's Demons

Interesting discussion trading Grimes. He is probably the best depth player we have, and appears to be a great clubman. A 4th round pick is about the right currency at the moment, in what has been said to be a shallow draft I would think Grimes is worth keeping over a 4th round pick. Doubt Grimes is in our top 10 paid so there is no salary benefit moving him on.

Yes great idea. As a club with very few leaders I think it would be a fantastic idea to delist the few we have. Like James McDonald, that ended well.

Our leaders aren't always the ones to stand up but they have been great servants of the club throughout the years and deserve a bit more respect than you are currently giving them (Dawes, cross and Lumumba are all recent additions to the club but you'd have to say they've given their all especially cross),

great servants

Turn it up

The last 10 seasons have been an utter disgrace

please before Grimes we have plenty of other players to cut...

Bail Fitzpatrick M.Jones Spencer Mckenzie Hunt Terlich Jamar (ret)

Interesting discussion trading Grimes. He is probably the best depth player we have, and appears to be a great clubman. A 4th round pick is about the right currency at the moment, in what has been said to be a shallow draft I would think Grimes is worth keeping over a 4th round pick. Doubt Grimes is in our top 10 paid so there is no salary benefit moving him on.

All depends on front loading. Would love to know who's getting paid what.....

All comes down to what he's on, if he's on 350-400 ( purely a guess as he was captain and "had potential", because I'm stuffed if I know how we even spend 92.5% of the cap) we need to offload him. Can't have a depth player chewing up that much coin.

I know respect is a two way street but the old "clubman" line is wearing thin.

I have it on reasonable authority that the Doggies will make an offer for Fitzpatrick. The fact that he's been playing in the backline will only add to his value to them.

I've also kind of been wondering about Kreuzer. Spencer and Gawn are both being given the chance to show that they have what it takes, but if they fail we're going to be hunting for a ruck in that sort of age bracket. He's had massive issues with injuries, but when he's fit and in form he's pretty decent. I just have a feeling we might be able to get him for a reasonable price. It's obviously a gamble given how fragile he is, but it could be an answer to our ruck succession problems and I don't know how many others could be on the market who would be better options.

I wouldn't be surprised if one of Riley or Michie gets the chop. Roos will have had two years to assess these guys and along with Newton we have three similarly one-paced players. I think Michie might be in trouble.

I wouldn't be surprised if one of Riley or Michie gets the chop. Roos will have had two years to assess these guys and along with Newton we have three similarly one-paced players. I think Michie might be in trouble.

I think Michie and Riley add good depth until the likes of Petracca and Brayshaw really start to hit their straps.

Infact personally i think Viv has been very stiff now to play alot more games this year..

I've never seen Viv Michie impact a contest or win a hard ball.

VFL standard only.

I think Michie and Riley add good depth until the likes of Petracca and Brayshaw really start to hit their straps.

Infact personally i think Viv has been very stiff now to play alot more games this year..

Talking to a few at Casey yesterday and this was the sentiment expressed time and again. He is just not flashy but gets the job done. Most could not work out why he gets the flick first after being assigned the better players when he is in the team. If they pick him to take Fyfe one week then drop him the next only to bring him back in to take Mitchell what is their thinking. Does not make a lot of sense, either he is good enough to take these great players and reduce their influence or he is not. They are certainly trying to build him into a tagger. Completely shut down Dwyer yesterday after he got away to a great start (2 goals in the 1st Qtr but not a touch in the second). Had no impact after the first qtr. Viv kicked a great goal and had a hand in a couple more.

I've never seen Viv Michie impact a contest or win a hard ball.

VFL standard only.

And Jack Watts has? Over 100 games and we are dtill crying out for him to win one bloody hard ball. Going by that assessment Watts s

Is VFL standard only.

And its obvious you don't watch Viv play at all. Go back to the Richmond game and you will see Viv win numerous of ones on ones and impact the contest hard. Viv is a good player but is getting hard done by the Selection committee.

I shake my head again when Viv gets dropped after one game yet softcocks like Watts and Howe are given a fair go after weeks of horrible performance.

Edited June 6, 201510 yr by dazzledavey36

And Jack Watts has? Over 100 games and we are dtill crying out for him to win one bloody hard ball. Going by that assessment Watts s

Is VFL standard only.

And its obvious you don't watch Viv play at all. Go back to the Richmond game and you will see Viv win numerous of ones on ones and impact the contest hard. Viv is a good player but is getting hard done by the Selection committee.

I shake my head again when Viv gets dropped after one game yet softcocks like Watts and Howe are given a fair go after weeks of horrible performance.

Watts is AFL standard.

I watch all players. Mitchie is a good, ordinary player. Hardly impacts.

I have it on reasonable authority that the Doggies will make an offer for Fitzpatrick. The fact that he's been playing in the backline will only add to his value to them.

I've also kind of been wondering about Kreuzer. Spencer and Gawn are both being given the chance to show that they have what it takes, but if they fail we're going to be hunting for a ruck in that sort of age bracket. He's had massive issues with injuries, but when he's fit and in form he's pretty decent. I just have a feeling we might be able to get him for a reasonable price. It's obviously a gamble given how fragile he is, but it could be an answer to our ruck succession problems and I don't know how many others could be on the market who would be better options.

Of course they want Fitzy as they can see his potential strengths and want him in their team rather than against them. If you knew that there was a guy out there capable of restricting your $7Million prize full forward to one solitary handball in a game of football, surely you would want him in your side. It is a shame that more Demonlanders cannot see the immense potential of a 200cm player like this (who is also capable of kicking goals and assisting in the ruck)!

Edited June 7, 201510 yr by CBDees

Of course they want Fitzy as they can see his potential strengths and want them in their team rather than against them. If you knew that there was a gut out there capable of restricting your $7Million prize full forward to one solitary handball in a game of football, surely you would want him in your side. It is a shame that more Demonlanders cannot see the immense potential of a 200cm player like this (who is also capable of kicking goals and assisting in the ruck)!

The question is what will we get for him? I'd be asking for no less than their 2nd round pick (30ish) as we have developed him, there is plenty of upside and he is tall and quick. Maybe they have a mid they could trade us.

Geelong have screwed sides by paying overs for Stanley. Knowing now what we have seen with Mumford, Jacobs, etc tall guys 196+ who have shown they are competent will be going for a higher price than the 3rd round they used to go for.

In saying all this I want to keep Fitzpatrick - too much upside to get rid of him.

And Jack Watts has? Over 100 games and we are dtill crying out for him to win one bloody hard ball. Going by that assessment Watts s

Is VFL standard only.

And its obvious you don't watch Viv play at all. Go back to the Richmond game and you will see Viv win numerous of ones on ones and impact the contest hard. Viv is a good player but is getting hard done by the Selection committee.

I shake my head again when Viv gets dropped after one game yet softcocks like Watts and Howe are given a fair go after weeks of horrible performance.

DD you are so blinkered against Watts that you wouldn't even acknowledge it if he got a hard ball. Watts is one of the most elite users of the ball when he gets posession and is responsible for more goal assists (and goals) than anybody else on our list. I always know that something positive is going to develop when Watts gets the ball in the same way that I do with Garlett and, before that, Jurrah.

We have got enough players that can get the hard ball and it will improve even moreso when Petracca and Trengrove come on stream next year, joining Brayshaw, vandemBerg, Riley, Jones, Hogan etc. Watts was never recruited as an inside midfielder so let's appreciate him for his set of skills. His teammates are always supportive of him, a far cry from many Demonlanders who refuse to move on because we drafted him instead of Nic Nat. It is the same arguments that the same people throw up against Toumpas vs. Wines.

I have it on reasonable authority that the Doggies will make an offer for Fitzpatrick. The fact that he's been playing in the backline will only add to his value to them.

I've also kind of been wondering about Kreuzer. Spencer and Gawn are both being given the chance to show that they have what it takes, but if they fail we're going to be hunting for a ruck in that sort of age bracket. He's had massive issues with injuries, but when he's fit and in form he's pretty decent. I just have a feeling we might be able to get him for a reasonable price. It's obviously a gamble given how fragile he is, but it could be an answer to our ruck succession problems and I don't know how many others could be on the market who would be better options.

Blicavs

With regards to Michie/Newton/Riley and the like. I think it's only fair that for the remainder of the season they are given a block of games to show their wares similar to Spencer/Gawn rather then in - out - in - out. Other players have been given years all be it under different coaches.