Tom McDonald

[The Chazz 4,077]

Is he? After 1 game? who finished 4th in our B&F? who got Gold Coast best forward Day last week?

I'll answer them one at a time;

1. Arguably our best key defender

2. No, not after one game. Has proven himself before last week

3. Irrelevant

4. Presuming Dunn, given you used it as part of your argument. What does this have to do with McDonald playing on Cameron? Totally different players, and Cameron is a far, far better player than Day

[Demon Disciple 12,175]

I've never been a huge fan of McDonald's. This has been because of his pretty poor decision making in the past, as well as his very poor disposal.

Having said that, he has always had a very good tank for a big bloke and been a good mark. If he can show improvements in his 2 downsides, he will fast rise up the key-defender ranks in the AFL.

His game against the Suns reminded me a lot of Rivers, he took a lot of releaving intercept marks, which was more than handy!

[WERRIDEE 5,479]

I'll answer them one at a time;

1. Arguably our best key defender

2. No, not after one game. Has proven himself before last week

3. Irrelevant

4. Presuming Dunn, given you used it as part of your argument. What does this have to do with McDonald playing on Cameron? Totally different players, and Cameron is a far, far better player than Day

You said best defender should play on best forward.

Day is the Suns best forward with Lynch and Dixon being out.

Dunn played on their best forward.

I don't agree that McDonald is our best key defender when Dunn was close to AA selection last year and finished higher in the B&F.

McDonald will probably surpass him but not ATM.

[Mad_Melbourne 877]

The reason he was able to take so many intercept marks because he didn't he didn't have a reasonable player to worry about. To say that he will treat one of the best forwards in comp the same way as he would treat an ordinary player is just plain wrong.

I tell you what if he is able to do the things you say he can do on Cameron give him an All Australian jumper all ready because he will be BOG by a country mile.

You can ridicule me all you want I just have a feeling I will have to remind you of these comments like I had to remind Curry & Beer's about his comments on Brayshaw last week.

I just think you are over rating Cameron and disregarding the role defenders play. Nowadays even key position defenders are not the 4 touch players they once were (apart from Zac Dawson).

McDonald will play key position, if it's Cameron or McCarthy. He will not cop the defensive forward as it would be useless

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,816]

You said best defender should play on best forward.

Day is the Suns best forward with Lynch and Dixon being out.

Dunn played on their best forward.

I don't agree that McDonald is our best key defender when Dunn was close to AA selection last year and finished higher in the B&F.

McDonald will probably surpass him but not ATM.

Really?

Nevertheless, I'm with you that Dunn might be the better option to play on Cameron as he's likely to play tighter on him than McDonald. In reality, it's probably a moot point, though. I expect they'll both play on him at different times during the day.

[The Chazz 4,077]

I can see Palmer tagging him. T.Mc's greatest strength is his ability to zone off and take marks I can't see him use this ability if he's wrestling one of the best forwards going around.

Good. H just needs to drop a bit deeper down back and take Palmer out of the game. Easy.

We are fortunate that we have H, Howe, Garland AND McDonald that can zone off.

FWIW, for at least the last three meetings against GWS, wanna take a guess at who has played on Cameron? Even last year when Roos was coaching, Cameron was their best forward, and we had the likes of Frawley, Dunn and McDonald to use.

[WERRIDEE 5,479]

I just think you are over rating Cameron and disregarding the role defenders play. Nowadays even key position defenders are not the 4 touch players they once were (apart from Zac Dawson).

McDonald will play key position, if it's Cameron or McCarthy. He will not cop the defensive forward as it would be useless

Overrating an All Australian who kicked 4 goals on the weekend, interesting.

Playing him on defensive forward would be useless? He would treat that defensive forward the same way as he treated Smith and Gorringe as the defensive forward wouldn't be able to compete with him in the air.

Why are you disregarding Dunn playing on Cameron? Don't you rate him as a key defender?

[The Chazz 4,077]

It's about keeping it simple. TMc is our best key defender, Cameron is their best key forward. They match well with height, weight, size, etc. If TMc can play like he did last week, it will make Cameron accountable, which I think can be his biggest weakness.

You said best defender should play on best forward.

Day is the Suns best forward with Lynch and Dixon being out.

Dunn played on their best forward.

I don't agree that McDonald is our best key defender when Dunn was close to AA selection last year and finished higher in the B&F.

McDonald will probably surpass him but not ATM.

For your benefit, I've added my original post to this reply. Now how about you read it again, all of it.

Did I say "You said best defender should play on best forward."? No.

Now that we've cleared that up; who would've Dunn played on had Lynch and Dixon both played? More to the point, who would McDonald have played on? Roos saw a perfect opportunity to play our second best key defender on the opposition's third best key forward (who happened to be their "best" on the day due to number 1 and 2 being out), freeing up our number 1 to dominate, which he did.

[WERRIDEE 5,479]

FWIW, for at least the last three meetings against GWS, wanna take a guess at who has played on Cameron? Even last year when Roos was coaching, Cameron was their best forward, and we had the likes of Frawley, Dunn and McDonald to use.

Dunn and Frawley played forward because we had no one else there.

My point is it's not about who is the best match up for Cameron, it's about trying to get McDonald to replicate his performance against the Suns playing him on another player he has no need to respect seems pretty obvious to me, why it's getting ridiculed by the other bloke has got me stuffed, but everybody has the right to an opinion.

[WERRIDEE 5,479]

TMc is our best key defender, Cameron is their best key forward.

There what did you mean by that

[The Chazz 4,077]

You said best defender should play on best forward.

Day is the Suns best forward with Lynch and Dixon being out.

Dunn played on their best forward.

I don't agree that McDonald is our best key defender when Dunn was close to AA selection last year and finished higher in the B&F.

McDonald will probably surpass him but not ATM.

I had to give this it's own response...

[Mad_Melbourne 877]

Overrating an All Australian who kicked 4 goals on the weekend, interesting.

Playing him on defensive forward would be useless? He would treat that defensive forward the same way as he treated Smith and Gorringe as the defensive forward wouldn't be able to compete with him in the air.

Why are you disregarding Dunn playing on Cameron? Don't you rate him as a key defender?

Obviously if McDonald goes to Mcarthy then Dunn will play on Cameron. McDonald and Dunn will take key posts and usually Dunn will go to the biggest forward McDonald will play on the next one.

Yes, the defensive forward would not go to him specifically for those reasons. It would be a waste for Rhys Palmer to play on him in terms of a GWS point of view.

Over rating in a sense that thinking our defenders wouldn't back themselves to run off their opponents. As soon as we get the football they would try to become an option. If the ball is in their area they would try to intercept it.

[The Chazz 4,077]

Dunn and Frawley played forward because we had no one else there.

My point is it's not about who is the best match up for Cameron, it's about trying to get McDonald to replicate his performance against the Suns playing him on another player he has no need to respect seems pretty obvious to me, why it's getting ridiculed by the other bloke has got me stuffed, but everybody has the right to an opinion.

You're embarrassing yourself, and I can't believe I'm getting sucked in. 2014 was when Frawley played forward, which happened to be during our first GWS meeting (roughly Round 3) from memory. McDonald started on Cameron in the game, so your point is again irrelevant. Cameron didn't play the second time we played them in 2014. In 2013, Frawley played back, yet McDonald still played on Cameron, both games I believe.

Cameron has the ability to kick a bag against Dunn. You need to ask yourself if you think the drive that TMc can offer by not playing on Cameron, is going to directly generate more goals than what Cameron will kick against Dunn. How I'm looking at the potential outcomes for Cameron;

v Dunn = 4-6 goals

v McDonald = 1-3 goals

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

The reason he was able to take so many intercept marks because he didn't he didn't have a reasonable player to worry about. To say that he will treat one of the best forwards in comp the same way as he would treat an ordinary player is just plain wrong.

I tell you what if he is able to do the things you say he can do on Cameron give him an All Australian jumper all ready because he will be BOG by a country mile.

You can ridicule me all you want I just have a feeling I will have to remind you of these comments like I had to remind Curry & Beer's about his comments on Brayshaw last week.

you are such a [censored]

[WERRIDEE 5,479]

You're embarrassing yourself, and I can't believe I'm getting sucked in. 2014 was when Frawley played forward, which happened to be during our first GWS meeting (roughly Round 3) from memory. McDonald started on Cameron in the game, so your point is again irrelevant. Cameron didn't play the second time we played them in 2014. In 2013, Frawley played back, yet McDonald still played on Cameron, both games I believe.

Cameron has the ability to kick a bag against Dunn. You need to ask yourself if you think the drive that TMc can offer by not playing on Cameron, is going to directly generate more goals than what Cameron will kick against Dunn. How I'm looking at the potential outcomes for Cameron;

v Dunn = 4-6 goals

v McDonald = 1-3 goals

You're embarrassing yourself,

v Dunn = 4-6 goals

v McDonald = 1-3 goals

Why do you need to get personal?

Where did you pull these stats from?

Is it from where you have pulled most of your comments from?

[WERRIDEE 5,479]

you are such a [censored]

I'm feelin the love

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

Why do you need to get personal?

Don't be surprised, it happens when you act like a complete fwit

[ManDee 7,162]

Why do you need to get personal?

Where did you pull these stats from?

Is it from where you have pulled most of your comments from?

Don't worry about it Werridee.

There are those on this site, I will call them keyboard warriors, that when their arguments fail they fall back on insults. I doubt they would have the courage to look you in the eye if you fronted them. Move on.

Edit: PS: I don't think Dunn was close to AA last year. But that is my opinion.

Edited April 9, 2015 by ManDee

[WERRIDEE 5,479]

Don't be surprised, it happens when you act like a complete fwit

I think we should drop Brayshaw he hasn't played anywhere near enough games.

I think we should try to get McKenzie to 300 games based on your theory.

[The Chazz 4,077]

There what did you mean by that

Seriously dude, you're being annoying.

This is what I wrote;

"TMc is our best key defender, Cameron is their best key forward. They match well with height, weight, size, etc. If TMc can play like he did last week, it will make Cameron accountable, which I think can be his biggest weakness."

Read it as a full statement

A team's best forward isn't always one that doesn't play as the true "KPF". Further, sometimes a team's best defender is not necessarily their "KPD". Example - there was a time when LeCras was arguably the Eagles' best forward. In this instance, we're not going to play our best defender on him (ie McDonald or Dunn), because the match up doesn't work.

In this Saturday's case, their best forward (Cameron), and our best defender (McDonald) match up perfectly, and I expect them to play against each other (for reasons I have posted). It'll be the same when we play the likes of Richmond (McDonald vs Riewoldt), St Kilda (McDonald vs Riewoldt), West Coast (McDonald vs Kennedy), etc, etc.

Please tell me that you understand now. Please.

[dee-luded 2,959]

Great example he sets for his younger bro too!

we finally are getting some great examples to lead, since Lyon, Schwartz, Wrecker, jnr Mac & Neita went.

[The Chazz 4,077]

Why do you need to get personal?

Where did you pull these stats from?

Is it from where you have pulled most of your comments from?

#irony

[ManDee 7,162]

#irony

Only if you think he means your ar5e. You would be the best judge of that.

[autocol 448]

It's about keeping it simple. TMc is our best key defender, Cameron is their best key forward. They match well with height, weight, size, etc. If TMc can play like he did last week, it will make Cameron accountable, which I think can be his biggest weakness.

Disagree. I reckon Dunn is our best one-on-one defender. He's especially good at using his body to protect the loose ball, which is where Cameron usually excels. I reckon Dunn takes Jezza.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

I think we should drop Brayshaw he hasn't played anywhere near enough games.

I think we should try to get McKenzie to 300 games based on your theory.

You are just one of many around here that are so weak of character and devoid of vision that you would fill the side with a new set of 22 zero gamers every week if you could. Oh we finished 17th last year, let's delist everybody who has played over 50 games and replace them, yeah that'll work. Go ahead and check it out you DH, the more experience you concede to your opponent the more losses you suffer. I suppose you would like 22 Brayshaws getting 9 touches each would you clown