I can see both sides of the equation.

I thought that Howe was good when he went back this season, more consistent and better output. His high marking is a reason I go to watch us play. There is excitement every time the high ball comes into his area.

If pick 6 was the missing ingredient to get us a genuine elite mid then you would consider it strongly. ( the proviso being it had to be a pick or trade that got us a star - wouldn't be happy trading ihim to get a pick 6, 18 year old)

I suspect that Roos had him play a season down back to help his development as a mid or high HF.

Come in Jeremy - show us your stuff through 2014.

Just like most our guys Howe needs to really pull his finger out and become a good AFL player. Would I have taken pick 6 for Howe? No not unless it was for another gun mid

I suspect that Roos had him play a season down back to help his development as a mid or high HF.

Come in Jeremy - show us your stuff through 2014.

agreed, & be more responsible Mono, I would think.

To learn to run both ways, being responsible for his opponent but also to run forward to receive & deliver. And also to learn to value the hard work of the mids more, so to make advantage of Every opportunity when up forward.

As much as Howe brings in marketing for the club and constant highlights for pick 6 DONE.

Howe is us supporters only excitement. Sometimes our only reason to go to the game. Howe has been terribly developed and I believe could be our best player. In a good team, he could be anything. He is god to my brained washed 6yo (I have brain washed him with guilt). He is to my son what Robert Flower was to me. Personally I am very happy he remains a Dee.

I'm not sure how you can say he has been terribly developed. In my opinion his development has been progressive, came in as a excitement machine that to often floated in and out of games, to now a consistent footballer who has developed a very good understanding of the game defensively.

I honestly think the "lack of development" line that is trotted out when referencing MFC players is a little over used. Admittedly there have been some, and others have been bad selections with not much upside in their development.

I think he is good player, at times a very good player, a natural footballer, who has both the athleticism and Football instincts that make good players.

JH,spent most of the year learning how to switch.

Also learnt how to run both ways.

Coaching staff waiting to see if hard work has paid off.

Revisit this players value after another 35-40 games.

Howe is only 78 games into his career, 24 years old. Reads the ball in the air at an elite level, runs, intercepts, and has a crack. He is the least of our worries, is progressing well and can now play almost any position on the ground. As melbourne improve, he will become elite in my opinion

JH,spent most of the year learning how to switch.

Also learnt how to run both ways.

Coaching staff waiting to see if hard work has paid off.

Revisit this players value after another 35-40 games.

next season will be enough jazza, to see if he's a keep or trade. his endeavor & desire to help the team by working hard to the plan will show.

Next year Roosy gets serious. He's seen the list, now knows the list, has his replacement in, & is now half way thru this years intake, & outgoings.

Excuses stop & hard work happens.

Hearsay and bs.

Very convenient to claim #6 AFTER the event - loadda [censored].

Howe deserves another season under the Team Roos coaching environment.

Terrible thread .

Howe is only 78 games into his career, 24 years old. Reads the ball in the air at an elite level, runs, intercepts, and has a crack. He is the least of our worries, is progressing well and can now play almost any position on the ground. As melbourne improve, he will become elite in my opinion

IF we can get Danger or Joey Kennedy next year, but only have P-6 & P-24, what do we do to get one of them?

the Crows may want the P-6 & (Howe, or P-24++)

the Swans may want Two 1st Rnd picks; P-6, & one other between 10 & 15....

we have to have collateral... If Howe really pushes ahead he may be untouchable.

IF we can get Danger or Joey Kennedy next year, but only have P-6 & P-24, what do we do to get one of them?

the Crows may want the P-6 & (Howe, or P-24++)

the Swans may want Two 1st Rnd picks; P-6, & one other between 10 & 15....

we have to have collateral... If Howe really pushes ahead he may be untouchable.

Danger is a free agent, it won't matter. Just pay him more.

Danger is a free agent, it won't matter. Just pay him more.

yes your right, free agency.

but Tex is the one IMO, also free agent.

Kennedy is the one I'd like to get traded to us.

Anyone knocking Howe on this thread really has no idea about football.

Jeremy Howe is the most exciting player on our list - he certainly has more ability than the others.

And by the end of his career will be lauded a a multi-dimensional A Grader.

Anyone knocking Howe on this thread really has no idea about football.

Jeremy Howe is the most exciting player on our list - he certainly has more ability than the others.

And by the end of his career will be lauded a a multi-dimensional A Grader.

That is a big statement. He's a HFF turned HBF and he needs to be able to have more dimensions than the one he has now to be 'multi-dimensional.'

What will he be so good at as to be considered 'A grade'?

Anyone knocking Howe on this thread really has no idea about football.

Jeremy Howe is the most exciting player on our list - he certainly has more ability than the others.

And by the end of his career will be lauded a a multi-dimensional A Grader.

If we improve to the point where we are challenging for a flag then I agree, Howe will look top notch.

He has a really good set of attributes and he'll look a lot better and a class above as our team improves and as we climb the ladder.

Howe at Hawthorn would be as dangerous and as effective as Jack Gunston in my view.

once we get our engine room firing, Howe will be an extremely dangerous player.

I don't think people are saying he is the worst on our list. What people are saying is that if we were offered Pick 6, they consider that way overs for what JH is really worth, and would do the trade in a heartbeat (or less).

Prior to the trade period I said that he was the best player on our list for us to trade as clubs would be willing to pay way over his worth. I don't think he's in our top 10 - I have actually got him on the interchange in another thread, so if we were in fact offered that pick, I'm amazed we just didn't sign, then worry about what we would do with it later.

The concern I now have is that if JH has an average year in 2015, I think the footy world will start to realise he's just not that good.

That is a big statement. He's a HFF turned HBF and he needs to be able to have more dimensions than the one he has now to be 'multi-dimensional.'

What will he be so good at as to be considered 'A grade'?

Yeah I know it's a bit statement.

From my perspwective, I expect he will return to play medium forward rotating through the middle once Roos determines that his defensive efforts are good enough (they were not). He has added intercept play to his game whilst back (which will be even more useful all over the ground later).

He has great hands (above his head and below his knees) and covers the ground well. Maybe lacks explosive speed but offsets that by reading the game faster than most. His disposal efficiency/total metres gained will benefit from having more targets to got to once the game plan "gells" consistently.

I'm more than happy to revist this statement as we go along.

I would not have taken GWS' pick 6 for him (I would have tried really hard to get their attention with a JW combo instead).

I think he'll show yet again that he's an inconsistent and one dimensional player. If he doesn't then he raises his value and we can trade him for something good next year.

Aside from the fact I think your first sentence is C$%^&, it is kind of proven with your second sentence - you think he can have a poor year and we'll get a great trade for him next year.

I don't think people are saying he is the worst on our list. What people are saying is that if we were offered Pick 6, they consider that way overs for what JH is really worth, and would do the trade in a heartbeat (or less).

Prior to the trade period I said that he was the best player on our list for us to trade as clubs would be willing to pay way over his worth. I don't think he's in our top 10 - I have actually got him on the interchange in another thread, so if we were in fact offered that pick, I'm amazed we just didn't sign, then worry about what we would do with it later.

The concern I now have is that if JH has an average year in 2015, I think the footy world will start to realise he's just not that good.

We were offered pick 6 at 5 mins to midnight with no chance to do anything with the pick. It was a classic bomb throwing exercise by GWS.

Raise his expectations, put some niggle into us, perhaps make him think he can leave next year etc etc. GWS are p ricks.

Yeah I know it's a bit statement.

From my perspwective, I expect he will return to play medium forward rotating through the middle once Roos determines that his defensive efforts are good enough (they were not). He has added intercept play to his game whilst back (which will be even more useful all over the ground later).

He has great hands (above his head and below his knees) and covers the ground well. Maybe lacks explosive speed but offsets that by reading the game faster than most. His disposal efficiency/total metres gained will benefit from having more targets to got to once the game plan "gells" consistently.

I'm more than happy to revist this statement as we go along.

I would not have taken GWS' pick 6 for him (I would have tried really hard to get their attention with a JW combo instead).

So he is a high half forward?

He impressed across half back which isn't hard - it is the easiest place to play on the ground - but he still made simple mistakes, if he gets pushed back into the forward line it will be as a periphery role he doesn't seem comfortable with.

Hogan, Dawes, and the resting ruck will get the targets up there, with Watts and Kent most likely being asked to lead strong up the wings (something Watts is very good at despite the hate he gets). Watts' skills are better than Howe and Kent's work over the footy looks to be developing very well.

I would love to be able to say that Howe could make it as a mid, or a wing, that gets forward, gets back and makes himself important.

But right now, I see a guy that likes to take marks and has a coach that 'made do' with that skill set in 2014.

Howe will have to knuckle down, going to be plenty nipping at his heels. I do see him a a forward flanker mainly but he hasnt quite got all the cards required ( yet, or maybe....we'll see )

So he is a high half forward?

He impressed across half back which isn't hard - it is the easiest place to play on the ground - but he still made simple mistakes, if he gets pushed back into the forward line it will be as a periphery role he doesn't seem comfortable with.

Hogan, Dawes, and the resting ruck will get the targets up there, with Watts and Kent most likely being asked to lead strong up the wings (something Watts is very good at despite the hate he gets). Watts' skills are better than Howe and Kent's work over the footy looks to be developing very well.

I would love to be able to say that Howe could make it as a mid, or a wing, that gets forward, gets back and makes himself important.

But right now, I see a guy that likes to take marks and has a coach that 'made do' with that skill set in 2014.

OK with most of this - I guess we'll see in time.

Only exception is the "resting ruck" in the forward line.

Gawn and Fitzpatrick maybe (but only just). Spencer or Jamar should only ever rest on the bench.

Roos doesn't seem to like the defensive liability of a lumbering ruckman deep forward when the ball turns over. It seems to me that he often looks for other mis-matches in that part of the ground.

Howe deep forward for the speccy off the long Bomb. Hogan con go for the exploratory lead and attract the best defender Dawes wont be doubled team every time so able to take a few marks. With crumbers and mid field runners with there should be plenty of opportunity to develop a good scoring lineup. With Watts able to deliver off HFF there can even be some accurate direction to the best option. The beauty of this as well is the the Mid fielders dont have to always run so deep and can have better output with less physical demand. also better placed for defensive effort or rebound.