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For all the [censored] Neeld copped on here it seems he was right on this one.

 

Don t worry about Toumpas , Olly Wines is better than Jack Viney by a mile as well.

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As long as he's one of ours, he gets my unwavering support. That's what loving your Club is about SWYL. Unlike you and your pathetic Mate, I am Red & Blue all the time, not just when it suits. Grow up and stop behaving so petulantly. Your infantile rants are as boring as your mate Picket's.

Like Diamond Jim Tillbrook, Cale Morton, Jordyn Gysberts, Brent Grgic, "Juice Newton" et al

I could go on but as long as I understand that through Thick and Thin you will always support anyone in a Melbourne Jumper then gee that's really really great!

Pity is though those we have got it so bloody terribly wrong now with our recruiting for such a long time these sentiments will not win us a Premiership!

He and JV are best mates.

And yet JV is on record in an interview when asked who we should take with our pick said Jimmy Toumpas but thought he wouldn't be available.


My support for a player in our colours is not unwavering - we give a contract to perform - I expect a player to perform.

I haven't written off Toumpas - but I have seen enough of Wines to know that Toumpas is going to have to perform out of his skin to be half the player - Wines is an out and out gun and Jimmy has a loooong way to go.

We have got so many wrong in retrospect. We just need to get some right (where can we get some beforo-spect ?)

The one thing the likes of popular picks like Scully, Toumpas, Morton and the like have shown me - the expert watchers are simply working on way too limited information - there is too much growth left in the seedlings when we draft them to have any confidence that the ratings we see every year trotted out by experts will be anywhere near accurate. What I would like to see is where get on the end of a surprise packet !

Funny you mention this.. mentioned here before i spoke to Wines sister at a sports function up my way. She is a journalist. I asked her the question about weather Melbourne really did have a strong interest. She said that it was actually Mark Neeld who was the most keen. While the club showed interest in Oliver it already told them that If Toumpas was available they would select him over his brother. They believe he had more upside and the fact he already played against men was a big factor. Hawthorn and St kilda were the two clubs that had made alot of trips up to Echuca to interview him.

Mark Neeld was a big fan of Wines and kept in close contact with him before the draft. At the end of the day he left it up to Todd for the final call.

Thanks for sharing dazz - but I reckon this is a bit of a "no duh" type story. I've never understood why everyone flocked to the conspiracy theory ("Neeld vetoed the decision") when the simplest idea was the most likely: the guy in charge of recruiting picked the more highly rated player to the surprise of absolutely nobody with any credibility.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Not digital, broken is broken.

 

Thanks for sharing dazz - but I reckon this is a bit of a "no duh" type story. I've never understood why everyone flocked to the conspiracy theory ("Neeld vetoed the decision") when the simplest idea was the most likely: the guy in charge of recruiting picked the more highly rated player to the surprise of absolutely nobody with any credibility.

I think the simple reason is because Neeld is responsible for this and everything ( as well as the GFC, Ebola and man not actually landing on the moon. I also believe that Neeld's contract with Essendon has a retrospectivity clause in it so he can also be blamed for the systematic doping of their players)

My support for a player in our colours is not unwavering - we give a contract to perform - I expect a player to perform.

I haven't written off Toumpas - but I have seen enough of Wines to know that Toumpas is going to have to perform out of his skin to be half the player - Wines is an out and out gun and Jimmy has a loooong way to go.

We have got so many wrong in retrospect. We just need to get some right (where can we get some beforo-spect ?)

The one thing the likes of popular picks like Scully, Toumpas, Morton and the like have shown me - the expert watchers are simply working on way too limited information - there is too much growth left in the seedlings when we draft them to have any confidence that the ratings we see every year trotted out by experts will be anywhere near accurate. What I would like to see is where get on the end of a surprise packet !

Adds weight to the 'raising the draft age' debate.


Adds weight to the 'raising the draft age' debate.

exactly - I count our blessing that for 2013 draft we traded our pick 2 for Tyson and Salem or we would be having a huge moanfest about "how on earth did we not take Bontempelli".

And yet JV is on record in an interview when asked who we should take with our pick said Jimmy Toumpas but thought he wouldn't be available.

As I said in an earlier post, it was a pity that Port or the Crows didn't have pick 4, with us having pick 5. That would most likely have seen them take Jimmy and we would have most likely taken Ollie.

However if that was the case, Ollie would have been severely injured and hardly played, while Jimmy would have already won 2 Brownlows

PS. I am still hopeful that Jimmy will have a good career with us.

Edited by Redleg

If what Dazzle says above is correct (and it does read pretty solid) then Todd put his family in front of the club. This is most worrying.

I am sure many of us have thought of this scenario but have then thought "No he just wouldn't do it"

What went on before Roos arrived was just so murky...and quite frankly destructive and wrong...

If what Dazzle says above is correct (and it does read pretty solid) then Todd put his family in front of the club. This is most worrying.

I am sure many of us have thought of this scenario but have then thought "No he just wouldn't do it"

What went on before Roos arrived was just so murky...and quite frankly destructive and wrong...

All Dazzles post highlighted is that TV considered Toumpas a better choice.

If you are alluding to the JR post where he suggested that TV didn't pick Wines because he didn't want someone better than his son...you couldn't possibly be giving that theory oxygen. Patently ridiculous when you consider how many onballers that Viney has put forward to come into the club that could all be seen as competition for JV's place.

All Dazzles post highlighted is that TV considered Toumpas a better choice.

If you are alluding to the JR post where he suggested that TV didn't pick Wines because he didn't want someone better than his son...you couldn't possibly be giving that theory oxygen. Patently ridiculous when you consider how many onballers that Viney has put forward to come into the club that could all be seen as competition for JV's place.

Let us wait till Dazzle replies shall we.....

The whole scenario is ridiculous i agree with you there

Jimmy plays like a deer staring into headlights most of the time...not good enough for a player who had already played against men before we picked him at number 4....


The fact is the papers were writing what an absolute combo Wines and Viney would make to our midfield. We were lacking in the inside midfield department and we all could see that. I remember at the time i made a comment that i could see Wines being our Dustin Martin. He was AFL ready and at the time we needed that..

Todd Viney got this one wrong not Neeld.

If what Dazzle says above is correct (and it does read pretty solid) then Todd put his family in front of the club. This is most worrying.

I am sure many of us have thought of this scenario but have then thought "No he just wouldn't do it"

What went on before Roos arrived was just so murky...and quite frankly destructive and wrong...

This must be close to the most illogical conspiracy theory ever seen on Demonland. And unfortunately I've read more than I care to admit. Unless you're joking?

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This must be close to the most illogical conspiracy theory ever seen on Demonland. And unfortunately I've read more than I care to admit. Unless your joking?

Not at all a conspiracy theory...Truth is stranger than Fiction is more to the point with how it all played out.

Yes at the time i was thinking Ollie may over shadow JV, but i chose to think Todd would put the needs of the club ahead of the family bloodlines considering how dire our midfield stocks were...

If what Dazzle has written and his stated source is solid then it looks like that didn't happen

Compromising his position.

Ollie Wines is so far ahead of both of them at the moment in terms of ability it is staggering.

Let us wait till Dazzle replies shall we.....

The whole scenario is ridiculous i agree with you there

Jimmy plays like a deer staring into headlights most of the time...not good enough for a player who had already played against men before we picked him at number 4....

The feeling i got from her sister and the way she explained was basically Melbourne had their sights on Toumpas all along. They made the odd call here and there to Wines but didn't show the desperate interest like Hawthorn and St Kilda.

Port said that if he was still available they would select him as they rated him top 3. They were gobsmacked and ecstatic he fell through. They really did think he was heading to the Dees..

The Wines family were devastated he was going interstate especially to Port after the off season drama. Ollie was too. He really did want to play for the Dees.

The Wines Family and Ollie are now extremely delighted with how its pan out now. Port are a family club and cant speak highly enough of Koshie and Hinkley.

Dont expect him to return back home anytime soon.

Edited by dazzledavey36

The keen interest from StKilda and Hawthorn again indicates where recruiters saw Wines at the time. Leading into the Carnival, he was not considered a top ten pick. Even with an awesome Carnival he only went at 7.

Look at the two players taken before Toumpas in that draft - O'Rourke and Plowman, those two are even further off the pace of AFL than Jimmy. Recruiters go off the information, and the player, that they have at the time - it is ridiculously easy to draft three years later.


Where does this end?! We can't trade them for each other now. Toumpas wasn't a surprise pick, he was taken where he was expected to be. The only purpose any of this serves is for whingers like WYL to fill Demonland with more complaining and ridiculous conspiracy theories.

Seeing names like Morton, Scully, and Neeld show up in this thread just shows what a bunch of sooks 'Land has become.

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Where does this end?! We can't trade them for each other now. Toumpas wasn't a surprise pick, he was taken where he was expected to be. The only purpose any of this serves is for whingers like WYL to fill Demonland with more complaining and ridiculous conspiracy theories.

Seeing names like Morton, Scully, and Neeld show up in this thread just shows what a bunch of sooks 'Land has become.

The OWL is designed to contain the whingers in one location. if you don't wish to read it, don't enter.

Now then, can I fix you a drink? Our Shirley Temple is famous.

The OWL is designed to contain the whingers in one location. if you don't wish to read it, don't enter.

Now then, can I fix you a drink? Our Shirley Temple is famous.

Technically I was having a whinge about the whingers, so I guess it's the correct thread...

 
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Technically I was having a whinge about the whingers, so I guess it's the correct thread...

This is meant to be a judgement free zone, Sir, and I won't have you berating our number one patron.


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