What has this world come to that you can no longer hang crap on your mates for looking like a couple of batties.

etc. etc.

We may just have reached a new low.

Why not! Boy can play. Wouldn't want to give up too much for a 27-year-old but he's an All-Australian and averages 20 a game which make him elite at our club!

The club will not get a dollar of mine if that [censored] ends up in the red and blue.

Australia has a long history of bigotry and racism (sometimes) masquerading as "humour" and then blaming the victim for being a sook and not being able to take it. It's ok to say others should laugh it off but it's easy to say when you're not on the end of it. I'm sure people dont always take offence it depends on the context and nature of it but at the end of the day this stuff wouldn't be tolerated in any other modern workplace and if someone takes offence and has raised it as an issue then it is inappropriate to continue with that behaviour whether you think they are being a sook or not.

If you want to see real racism at work go and live in the Middle East, as I have done, and see how itinerant workers from India, Pakistan and the Philipines are treated. Or Africa and the tribalism there.

I'm not defending the problems we have here or our past history with Indigenous people but to suggest we are somehow worse is ridiculous.

Racism, Homophobia, Sexism are a world wide problem and in many ways from a global perspective we are much more inclusive than most.

If you want to see real racism at work go and live in the Middle East, as I have done, and see how itinerant workers from India, Pakistan and the Philipines are treated. Or Africa and the tribalism there.

I'm not defending the problems we have here or our past history with Indigenous people but to suggest we are somehow worse is ridiculous.

Racism, Homophobia, Sexism are a world wide problem and in many ways from a global perspective we are much more inclusive than most.

You are dead right. It seems a lot of people that cry racism haven't left their own backyard. In my experience Australia is one of the most tolerant societies going around, sexism, racism , the lot.

There's a lot of spilt milk here and a shite load of people standing around crying over it - mostly to draw attention to themselves.

Look at me, look at me, I'm a new age liberal with feelings. Harden the F up and stop self promoting.

I'm all about improving society and helping people in need but there are a lot more worthy causes.

The gay community would get more support from me if they just dropped this "woe is me" bollocks

No one gives a shite what you do with your [censored], just grow up.

There is Harry O the footballer, whom on a good day I rate and most days he can be as ordinary as Ive seen. Strangely a good finals player which seems hardly our priority just atm.

Then theres Mr Lumumba who just seems a big mouth , attention seeking sod.

Paul has ideas and in the main theyre good, but id baulk , personally at Harry O. Think not enough up side to counter the precious.

just my opinion

The club will not get a dollar of mine if that [censored] ends up in the red and blue.

I'm not saying YOU are an idiot. But what you have just said, makes you sound like a big idiot.

All things aside it is good to see Roos proactive. Bodes for a healthy clean out.

Putting to one side the various comments regarding HL's personality profile, it would seem that as a footballer, the 2 concerns are:

1. Is he past his prime?

2. Even in his prime, he was basically a '2 trick pony' I.e. Runs fast & kicks long

If (and yes, it is a big if,) we were blessed by the Football Gods and could line up with Hogan, Dawes and Clark up front, then getting someone who can pump the ball forward quickly to guys in one-on-one contests might be of some appeal.

The indirect and glacial-like forward progress we displayed this season would have frustrated the living suitcase out of any key forward.

In any event, "in Roos we trust"

I'm not saying YOU are an [censored]. But what you have just said, makes you sound like a big [censored].

Fair enough that's your opinion. My opinion is that the bloke is a f l o g which this site deemed worthy of replacing with [censored]....what sort of a suppressive regime is running demonland?

Really like John Ralph's piece in the Sun. Represents my views perfectly.

If you want to see real racism at work go and live in the Middle East, as I have done, and see how itinerant workers from India, Pakistan and the Philipines are treated. Or Africa and the tribalism there.

I'm not defending the problems we have here or our past history with Indigenous people but to suggest we are somehow worse is ridiculous.

Racism, Homophobia, Sexism are a world wide problem and in many ways from a global perspective we are much more inclusive than most.

Where does Dr Gonzo say or even suggest this? If you're going to take issue with what he says, take issue with what he actually says.

The argument about whether it's worse somewhere, anywhere else is as irrelevant as the argument that it's better somewhere, anywhere else. We're responsible for what we do. At least we ought to be.

You are dead right. It seems a lot of people that cry racism haven't left their own backyard. In my experience Australia is one of the most tolerant societies going around, sexism, racism , the lot.

So are you saying it's OK to have a little racism in Australia because it's much worse overseas? That's like saying it's OK to have some bashings in Australia because overseas they've got wars.

The idea that Australia is totally 'tolerant' is a myth.

I seriously doubt problems between HL and Collingwood were just over a homophobic scribble on a poster. There would be an ongoing problem with personalities and their views, of the type that may or may not recur at any football club. It's up to Paul Roos to find out, and to see whether HL fits in with his plans. I'm happy to leave it to him.

Really like John Ralph's piece in the Sun. Represents my views perfectly.

Does for me also.

So are you saying it's OK to have a little racism in Australia because it's much worse overseas? That's like saying it's OK to have some bashings in Australia because overseas they've got wars.

The idea that Australia is totally 'tolerant' is a myth.

I seriously doubt problems between HL and Collingwood were just over a homophobic scribble on a poster. There would be an ongoing problem with personalities and their views, of the type that may or may not recur at any football club. It's up to Paul Roos to find out, and to see whether HL fits in with his plans. I'm happy to leave it to him.

Didn't say Australia was "totally" tolerant and yes theres work to do - but the high and mighty's of this world like the character this thread is all about, are more interested in self promotion than the actual issue and will act to blow it way out of proportion to what it really warrants.

personally, i'm all for bringing lumumba in. we will get 3, 4 or more years of solid service out of him.

my worry is the pies' demands. they held gws over a barrel for heath shaw, who's a commensurate player, and there's no doubt they'll try and do the same for us.

for mine, it's a fourth round pick.

I would like Harry O (or Hertier L) to come to the club. Many of the tweed jacket wearing, Smoker's Stand types might spit out their sherry in sheer disbelief when he spouts some Marxist theory off to them with a touch of the Dalai Lama thrown in for good measure.
'It's Bolshy-ness I say, pure Bolshyness! Baaaah!'

If you want to see real racism at work go and live in the Middle East, as I have done, and see how itinerant workers from India, Pakistan and the Philipines are treated. Or Africa and the tribalism there.

I'm not defending the problems we have here or our past history with Indigenous people but to suggest we are somehow worse is ridiculous.

Racism, Homophobia, Sexism are a world wide problem and in many ways from a global perspective we are much more inclusive than most.

Who said we are worse? Stop making excuses and justifications for discrimination. "Yeah we massacred the indigenous people but at least we didn't send them to the gas chambers"

You are dead right. It seems a lot of people that cry racism haven't left their own backyard. In my experience Australia is one of the most tolerant societies going around, sexism, racism , the lot.

There's a lot of spilt milk here and a shite load of people standing around crying over it - mostly to draw attention to themselves.

Look at me, look at me, I'm a new age liberal with feelings. Harden the F up and stop self promoting.

I'm all about improving society and helping people in need but there are a lot more worthy causes.

The gay community would get more support from me if they just dropped this "woe is me" bollocks

No one gives a shite what you do with your [censored], just grow up.

Haha you are a dead set moron. You probably don't even see the irony in your post having a go at people for being self-centred and then say "they'd get more support from me if" - its not about you, no one gives a stuff about you.

This bloke is a chore but he backs himself and is a winner.

Frankly, every club has blokes that are chores. You both learn to get on with it and work together, evidently the Pies and he can't do that anymore but for the right price he would be very welcome.

I wonder what that price is ?

Might be a more determinant factor than others

I heard he had a decaf soy latte with a lemon twist followed by colonic irrigation. Roosy held the hose.

The only question we should be asking is "does he improve our on-field performance?" If the answer is yes then we should go after him.

For those who think he has too many deficiencies, how does he match up to Grimes? Terlich? Matt Jones? If we could get him and Malceski as our half backs for next year I think it improves our side and shores up our defence. Then we can focus on the midfield.

Personally I would prefer we could pass on this, but the reality of where our list is at and the amount of non AFL standard players we have means we can't afford to pass on proven players, even ones who carry far to much baggage for my liking.

It will all be in how much it will cost us, we need to get him for as little as possible, as he is only ever going to be a stop gap measure, while our young players get some decent development time.

Personally I'm all for bringing in characters with slightly left of centre personalities.

Surely you remember Jacko, Jakovich, Pyke, Schwartz etc..

We never complained then.

The group we have are too sanitised they are too predictable.