I don't care how many uncontested possessions Cotchin can get. He cannot get a contested one and cannot get his own ball ever. Not a captain, but a good downhill skiier

Young miles is a good player, really wish we took him

I'm growing the view that Martin is in a similar boat.

Richmond and Carlton have some genuine vfl standard players which holds them back

I'd take Cotchin and Martin over Deledio.

I'd love Sam Reid and Luke parker at the Dees

All 3 of them aren't great disposers of the ball IMO. Martin is becoming too outside for my liking. Strange times ahead for them, they'll need to turn around some bad habits I reckon.

I'd take Cotchin and Martin over Deledio.

Martin, Deledio, Cotchin in that order.

Cotchin is just the ultimate seagull.

Well I thought it was a top effort by Richmond to get so close. It seems there's a lot of inconsistent form among the teams at the bottom half of the ladder and the Toigs are the real enigma of the competition.

I don't care how many uncontested possessions Cotchin can get. He cannot get a contested one and cannot get his own ball ever. Not a captain, but a good downhill skiier

Unfair comment, not a captain I get and really not a great leader on the ground but I've seen him get plenty of contested ball over the years. One thing that holds him back is he just doesn't hurt enough with his disposal.

Would love to have Delidio running of half back for us, his kicking game would be a bonus. Martin will win their B&F easily.

I think they gave it their best shot tonight but they are not good enough.

On the coach, I really don't like seeing a coach come down to the bench during the game. They should either start there or stay in the box. It just shows the coach is panicking and has run out of ideas. Those who have read my posts know that I don't rate Hardwick as a match day coach and haven't for a few years now.

...the Toigs are the real enigma of the competition.

Not North?

Not North?

OK North can be tomorrow's enigma when they bomb out to a team they beat by 20 goals less than 12 months ago.

They are not happy campers at my place - Collingwood getting thrashed by the Hawks. Boo hoo.

They are not happy campers at my place - Collingwood getting thrashed by the Hawks. Boo hoo.

Kick a filth supporter when he is down Jane. Now is the moment for that kick in the balls! Carpe Diem

Richmond and Carlton are very good case studies in the 'top six v bottom six' debate. They've clearly gone down the 'we have the stars so we can do this' route, but have showed that if your bottom players are hacks, which in both sides they are, you cannot go anywhere.

I think this is the same problem Geelong is about to face. In their recent games where they've been a bit exposed (vs Carlton, Sydney and Fremantle), they've had reduced output from the top players, and their kids have been shown up to be way worse than they've previously looked. Those kids looked stunning when the side was up and firing, but when Selwood, Johnson, Enright, Mackie, Taylor, Hawkins, Stokes etc. are down, they have no idea how to pick up the slack.

Ryan Griffen injured and subbed out, and Giansiircua sure to be rubbed out

and we play them next week

Richmond and Carlton are very good case studies in the 'top six v bottom six' debate. They've clearly gone down the 'we have the stars so we can do this' route, but have showed that if your bottom players are hacks, which in both sides they are, you cannot go anywhere.

I think this is the same problem Geelong is about to face. In their recent games where they've been a bit exposed (vs Carlton, Sydney and Fremantle), they've had reduced output from the top players, and their kids have been shown up to be way worse than they've previously looked. Those kids looked stunning when the side was up and firing, but when Selwood, Johnson, Enright, Mackie, Taylor, Hawkins, Stokes etc. are down, they have no idea how to pick up the slack.

This also backs up what we've all seen with Melbourne over the past seven years. Our leaders were terrible, which made our kids look atrocious.

Ryan Griffen injured and subbed out, and Giansiircua sure to be rubbed out

and we play them next week

Already? How does that even make sense, AFL?

Edited June 21, 201411 yr by Chook

Already? How does that even make sense, AFL?

Gia's gone no doubt. have you seen it?

he's lucky the player he hit didn't seem too badly hurt, so might get only 2 weeks

I don't care how many uncontested possessions Cotchin can get. He cannot get a contested one and cannot get his own ball ever. Not a captain, but a good downhill skiier

oh? the Jones boy was struggling not so long ago under tags. downhill I think not. wrong club maybe.

Last thing Bulldogs needed after last week's stirring win was a thrashing.

And they were thrashed.

I'd take Cotchin and Martin over Deledio.

delidio has always been like delsanto, good players but softish, & the wrong type of leadership to grow your culture from.

NJones is way better to build the young around.

Last thing Bulldogs needed after last week's stirring win was a thrashing.

And they were thrashed.

I thought they got a little overexcited over beating a badly undermanned Collingwood side.

Gia's gone no doubt. have you seen it?

he's lucky the player he hit didn't seem too badly hurt, so might get only 2 weeks

I'm talking about Melbourne vs Bulldogs, Mk.II being so close to the first one.

I'm talking about Melbourne vs Bulldogs, Mk.II being so close to the first one.

ah, gotcha

Interesting to see who go in as favourites next week. Probably depends on tomorrow's outcome.