if chip is looking for signs that we are moving in the right direction, he has had plenty of indications lately

i would have thought a member of the leadership group could see that

Geez.....You've got to be kidding me.....Some people would trade Frawls for a pick 5,an 18 years old kid that will take 3 to 4 years to develop over a 100 game player who has been AA......The mind bogles.....

Not necessarily... the pick 5 could be traded for Dylan Shiel who would meet our needs quite nicely

Not necessarily... the pick 5 could be traded for Dylan Shiel who would meet our needs quite nicely

Big experienced players that have proved themselves.....worth a lot

What if Dunn goes down or McDonald?.....You can't replace key position players with mid fielders no matter how good they are.

I used 'slam dunk' as a reference to CIA head Tenet's assertion that the case for Iraq having WMD.

No-one probably got it, but talking in blanket terms of fact when there are no hard facts - is not a good practice.

And people use those US terms because they can't be bothered thinking up ones themselves, and because the US sporting landscape is far more developed. Concepts like FA and equalisation will only continue to be brought up.

Well lets hope that we don't get "tip off" instead of ball up, and don't get cheerleaders running on to the "pitch" after every goal, or even the horrible obnoxious ghastly blaring "music" after a basket ball goal :-((((((

Big experienced players that have proved themselves.....worth a lot

What if Dunn goes down or McDonald?.....You can't replace key position players with mid fielders no matter how good they are.

Which is why we are fortunate that the club had more foresight than all most of us here and retained and progressed Pedersen. A club needs a solid big (or nearly big) man who can play at either end.

It will make Frawley all the more valuable should he choose to remain a Demon during our forthcoming years of progression and success.

Which is why we are fortunate that the club had more foresight than all most of us here and retained and progressed Pedersen. A club needs a solid big (or nearly big) man who can play at either end.

It will make Frawley all the more valuable should he choose to remain a Demon during our forthcoming years of progression and success.

Could add Georgiou to that emergency list also.

News article midweek "cats are in the hunt for Frawley"

News flash today " cats empire is crumbling"

Cats are definitely on the decline. It would be hypocritical of Frawley to go there.

Cats are definitely on the decline. It would be hypocritical of Frawley to go there.

Yes, it would be. On a side note three flags from the group was a good return.

if chip is looking for signs that we are moving in the right direction, he has had plenty of indications lately

i would have thought a member of the leadership group could see that

Hes Goneski. its extremely obvious

Hes Goneski. its extremely obvious

If he was 'goneski' then it was not extremely obvious to his teammates who voted him back into the leadership group. I cannot believe that things are continually 'obvious' to some Demonlanders but excape the attention of Roos and those inside the actual Club?

If he was 'goneski' then it was not extremely obvious to his teammates who voted him back into the leadership group. I cannot believe that things are continually 'obvious' to some Demonlanders but excape the attention of Roos and those inside the actual Club?

Who is saying they've escaped the attention of Roos? Who is saying the decision was made by frawley before he was voted in to the leadership group?

Who is saying they've escaped the attention of Roos? Who is saying the decision was made by frawley before he was voted in to the leadership group?

Maybe you can outline some of the things what makes it so 'obvious' as it eludes me?

Such sit back and watch it play out, CBDees.

Such sit back and watch it play out, CBDees.

There were posters like you who were adamant Watts was off last year.

Your opinion is not based on anything other than your own exposed neurosis.

Such sit back and watch it play out, CBDees.

You've gone early on this, and you've gone all in.

Now you're in a position where you're just going hard in an effort to look like you actually have any idea.

Give it up. You'll only make yourself look like (more of) a DH.

Garry Lyon (last night FC) gave the most honest brutal assessment on James Frawley that I have ever witnessed on a professional media outlet. It really hit the nail on the head. Amazing how some wackos on these forums hit it years earlier.

Garry Lyon (last night FC) gave the most honest brutal assessment on James Frawley that I have ever witnessed on a professional media outlet. It really hit the nail on the head. Amazing how some wackos on these forums hit it years earlier.

Link? Summary?

Link? Summary?

Can someone here get the link?

Basically said that:

Frawley was a horrible kick (cross)

Frawley was a horrible decision-maker (cross)

Frawley was elite reading a ball coming in long and could body an opponent. (tick)

In relation to Geelong and Hawthorn, it should be buyer-beware squared.

Gah Gary talk him up, we want better compo if he leaves

There must be history behind Lyons comments. I'd say he knows he's going and there's background to the decision we don't know.

I've been a defender of Chip on this forum as a footballer but always felt sure he made the decision to leave ages ago ala $cully. Also hated the way he used the successor issue as a smokescreen.

Now I'm over him and couldn't care less if he goes. We don't need manipulators as part of our culture. If he hasn't bought in by now then bugger off.

Lyon talked $cully up bigtime in 2011 (well after he'd signed his fat GWS contract behing our backs), comparing him to Judd. Lyon would've known he was gone.

No surprises that Gary has chipped in, (excuse the pun)..

I'm sure now that we've had someone of 'some' level of stature criticise his performance, posters will start looking at the bloke with keener eyes.

It's funny what one 'All Australian Year' does for supporters perceptions. It's as if the player is suddenly put in an elite bracket whereby no matter how they perform from then on, there'll always be the 'he's our AA fullback' comments which count for absolutely zilch when we're talking about the here and now. His form at present.

It's the very thing that supporters who don't want to see him go are continually blinded by. One good year of performance.

As a leader of a team who are crying out for a culture change and for leaders to set the highest of standards, Frawley is failing big time. One thing I know for certain we haven't done well in the past when it comes to recruiting is identifying strong personalities with an intense and burning desire to do everything they can to get the most out of themselves which over years rubs off on others..

Frawley is one of many who doesn't have the capacity as a human being to realise this and it's extremely unfortunate for us as a club as you build clubs around personalities like Dawes', Jones', Viney', Hogan' etc..

Frawley, as player and onfield performer at PRESENT is absolutely without doubt overrated by the same posters who throw the 'he's an AA fullback' line. The fact he has put off contract talks is not the issue and not one that bothers me or many other, including Gary I'm sure. The issue is that as a 26-27 year old player who is in the leadership group, Frawley has already stated some unbelievably stupid things to the media in regards to 'what he wanted to see from the club/what he wants to see'. Initially it was where the club was heading. (Clearly, it's north). Secondly he wanted to know about Roos. (Who has already stated he'll be around after a successor takes over). He's also trowb in some gems about the fact that finals is draw card for him to leave, yet I've heard him state 'we'll hopefully be playing finals within the next couple of years'. And then of course there's his 'loyalty as a country boy' line.

If Frawley had even the faintest of ideas, he'd either shut his gob and play like somebody who drives standards at a club, or he'd at least choose his words much more carefully then he has.

He is dumb. He is not as skilled as people believe. He's decision making and kicking are absolutely without doubt questionable at times and lastly, he is clearly still affected by the old Melbourne.

I'm not sure what will happen, but I'd take the compo pick in a heart beat if I had the choice.

Edited July 1, 201411 yr by stevethemanjordan

Frawley, as player and onfield performer at PRESENT is absolutely without doubt overrated by the same posters who throw the 'he's an AA fullback' line. The fact he has put off contract talks is not the issue and not one that bothers me or many other, including Gary I'm sure. The issue is that as a 26-27 year old player who is in the leadership group, Frawley has already stated some unbelievably stupid things to the media in regards to 'what he wanted to see from the club/what he wants to see'. Initially it was where the club was heading. (Clearly, it's north). Secondly he wanted to know about Roos. (Who has already stated he'll be around after a successor takes over). He's also trowb in some gems about the fact that finals is draw card for him to leave, yet I've heard him state 'we'll hopefully be playing finals within the next couple of years'. And then of course there's his 'loyalty as a country boy' line.

I really like this paragraph as it sums up how I feel about Chip as well. As a person within our leadership group I think he hasn't handled this situation well at all - he's happy to be a leader but won't fully commit to the club long term. There's something horribly wrong with that. He wanted to see the direction, which we've answered, and wanted to see Roos around long term (will probably be 3 years and then he will be around after that) but he keeps coming up with other excuses and such that will help him walk away with a supposed clear conscience.

I like Chip and think he still brings something to the table, but not for 600k+ a year. Where that goes from here is anybodies guess.

He is dumb. He is not as skilled as people believe. He's decision making and kicking are absolutely without doubt questionable at times and lastly, he is clearly still affected by the old Melbourne.

I'm not sure what will happen, but I'd take the compo pick in a heart beat if I had the choice.

I will respond to the last comments - dumb ? tick. Not as skilled as people believe - body on body and position for marking - i think he is skilled as he showed at times on Sunday. Decision making and kicking are dicey ? tick. Affected by the old Melbourne - not even sure what that means - if you are suggesting he is not embracing what Paul Roos is trying to do then why is he in the team Look back at Casey and Sam Blease - he is in the best players every week but can't get a game in the 1st - reading the Allison critique I would suggest that he has had trouble with the Roos way.

I don't want him to go but if he decides to go then I am more than happy with a first round draft pick.

Where we completely differ is that you see what Frawley is now and believe that's all we are going to get. I see Frawley as player 14 games into a new coaching regime and have belief that he could be much better.

Even if he goes, time will tell if he has lots of upside or not.

Edited July 1, 201411 yr by nutbean