And bugger the wishes of supporters who are cool with him changing his tune during the season and consistently spitting out substance-less dribble in an attempt to make himself look like a person of integrity and loyalty etc.

Have you listened to any interviews of his Machsy? Or are your responses purely based on your irritation of what others' thoughts are on the situation?

For the one-hundredth time, if he'd said from the start 'I'm putting contract talks on hold and will decide on my future with the MFC at season's end' and then shutup about it for the rest of the year then myself and others wouldn't mind as much.

But he HASN'T that and he's said some things that in my opinion were thoughtless and pathetic.

Very well put steve.

He could have just said "no comment" but chose to open his mouth and change what he is saying from interview to interview.

He should have just kept his trap shut.

Some lets say "challenged" posters have difficulty understanding that though.

Edited July 22, 201411 yr by DemonOX

I say bugger the wishes of supporters who are cool with him changing his tune during the season and consistently spitting out substance-less dribble in an attempt to make himself look like a person of integrity and loyalty etc.

Have you listened to any interviews of his Machsy? Or are your responses purely based on your irritation of what others' thoughts are on the situation?

For the one-hundredth time, if he'd said from the start 'I'm putting contract talks on hold and will decide on my future with the MFC at season's end' and then shutup about it for the rest of the year then myself and others wouldn't mind as much.

But he HASN'T done that and he's said some things that in my opinion were thoughtless and pathetic.

Why are you so upset by it?

If it annoys you, just don't watch his interviews.

I've probably seen them all.

But what do you propose he does when targetted by journos for questioning and numerous media outlets are requesting interviews with him?

He's not building it up himself. Plays a pretty straight bat, and says he'll decide later.

It's kinda funny to see people like yourself get your knickers in a twist.

Relax, we'll find out all in good time.

What's the hurry?

I reckon he's important as a forward now.....

The journalists are on his case because they smell a rat. Just like with the little twerp.

well we'll know soon enough

How soon is soon enough??

As RPFC alludes Im sure the compo "equation" ..."formula" call it what you will is probably nothing more than a round circle thinking of convenience made up on the fly. There seems to be more variation applied than any fixed determnations.

Now we know how the MRP maintain their form in the off season :-(((

How soon is soon enough??

EOS I reckon...lol

The journalists are on his case because they smell a rat. Just like with the little twerp.

Nah...any higher profile footballer that comes into the FA window gets the same treatment. Daisy Thomas, Gibbs, Franklin all got the same hammering and gave the same lame responses.

Nah...any higher profile footballer that comes into the FA window gets the same treatment. Daisy Thomas, Gibbs, Franklin all got the same hammering and gave the same lame responses.

yes yes but he is one of the few (of interest) this year

The journalists are on his case because they smell a rat. Just like with the little twerp.

Don't say that too loud here.

There are many here who buy into the loyal country boy theme. Apparently he can take his time and do whatever he wants.

Stuff creating a strong culture - they seemingly want the leadership vacuum at the MFC to live on forever.

Fortunately we now have Roosy and some imported senior leaders and some newly recruited junior players who want to change that.

Personally, I'm very disappointed that the loyal country boy is shaking his ass for the best possible offer, as he absolutely has to be a required player for the MFC. That he and his manager are flirting with the biggest cheque book makes me want a top 4 pick instead.

Unlike some here, I am absolutely partial to loyalty. I don't see that as being naive or unprofessional. In fact, I see the opposite view as being thoroughly uncritical, flabby and lazy in the extreme.

Ron.. I understand and uphold the value of loyalty.. But its footy ( the modern varietel)

Couldnt care less if he goes if we are reimbursed according

Dont blame him....dont need him

Ron.. I understand and uphold the value of loyalty.. But its footy ( the modern varietel)

Couldnt care less if he goes if we are reimbursed according

Dont blame him....dont need him

It's the changing nature of the game, made more so now with Free agency.

You will find that there will be some footballers that refreshingly place loyalty, love of the club and mates as a priority over financial gain. They are the players that we the supporters love all the more.

Unfortunately with a players limited career and opportunity to earn incredible sums of money ( or play with successful clubs) , and clubs trading out players without a moments thought about the player, club loyalty is a far less valued commodity for most players and will continue to diminish.

I haven't lost a minutes sleep over any player coming or going since I got well and truly Scull-ified two years ago.

It's the changing nature of the game, made more so now with Free agency.

You will find that there will be some footballers that refreshingly place loyalty, love of the club and mates as a priority over financial gain. They are the players that we the supporters love all the more.

Unfortunately with a players limited career and opportunity to earn incredible sums of money ( or play with successful clubs) , and clubs trading out players without a moments thought about the player, club loyalty is a far less valued commodity for most players and will continue to diminish.

I haven't lost a minutes sleep over any player coming or going since I got well and truly Scull-ified two years ago.

Here, here.

I'm not a fan of FA, and agree with David Kings view on it with regard to the top clubs and stronger lists prolonging their stay at the top and cherry picking players to fill roles from the clubs in a prolonged development mode.

Why are you so upset by it?

If it annoys you, just don't watch his interviews.

I'm desperate for this club to change Machsy.

Having an experienced senior player who is part of the leadership group display the same sort of behaviour as players like Sylvia makes me sick and tells me that there are still players we need to move on if we want to see a transformed club.

Frawley is a pea brain. I'm annoyed because he doesn't carry himself well on or off-field and it reflects badly on the club. Which is where my care is.

If he keeps playing the way he has been recently, then by all means go play at Geelong where you and Rivers can bring them further down the ladder!

Edited July 23, 201411 yr by AzzKikA

I'm desperate for this club to change Machsy.

Having an experienced senior player who is part of the leadership group display the same sort of behaviour as players like Sylvia makes me sick and tells me that there are still players we need to move on if we want to see a transformed club.

Frawley is a pea brain. I'm annoyed because he doesn't carry himself well on or off-field and it reflects badly on the club. Which is where my care is.

It seems I have to keep coming back to your posts but I would suspect that very few people actually share your views and I am not sure where you are seeing these things you keep posting.

Comparing Frawley to Sylvia ? Sylvia was a perennial tease on the ground - are you suggesting that over the course Frawley has been the same ? Off the field, Sylvia had a history of rumoured and actual indiscretions - to my knowledge Frawley has had nil.

I'm also interested as to why it reflects badly on the club - does that mean any player who decides to put his contract talks on hold ( and there is a mounting number of those these days) are reflecting badly on the club ?

Frawley is pea brain - I would agree that he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. He doesn't carry himself well on the field ? Seriously ? He is just another player and a player that has plenty of strengths along with plenty of flaws. He doesn't drop his head and sulk and he is not petulant. Not sure where that comment comes from. He doesn't carry himself well off the field ? The only criticism you can make as to his off field behaviour is not signing a contract to a timetable that supporters would like. He is not the only footballer in the AFL delaying his contract neogtiations these days and will certainly not be the last.

I think you will have to accept that this delaying of contractual arrangements is going to become the norm, especially with FA or you are going to become disenchanted with most of the list in coming years.

Edited July 23, 201411 yr by nutbean

I doubt Gary Lyon knows much at all, he spends too much time with Barrett. I loved him as a player but his involvement with the club post playing career has been nothing short of abominable.

oh, I sense gazza somtimes knows more than he lets on, to his telly mates... keeps some things in-house?

Anyone know how to remove those plastic-y numbers from the back of the jumper?

I'm also fielding suggestions for a replacement number. 3 could be the go.

It seems I have to keep coming back to your posts but I would suspect that very few people actually share your views and I am not sure where you are seeing these things you keep posting.

Comparing Frawley to Sylvia ? Sylvia was a perennial tease on the ground - are you suggesting that over the course Frawley has been the same ? Off the field, Sylvia had a history of rumoured and actual indiscretions - to my knowledge Frawley has had nil.

Frawley is pea brain - I would agree that he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. He doesn't carry himself well on the field ? Seriously ? He is just another player and a player that has plenty of strengths along with plenty of flaws. He doesn't drop his head and sulk and he is not petulant. Not sure where that comment comes from. He doesn't carry himself well off the field ? The only criticism you can make as to his off field behaviour is not signing a contract to a timetable that supporters would like. He is not the only footballer in the AFL delaying his contract neogtiations these days and will certainly not be the last.

I think you will have to accept that this delaying of contractual arrangements is going to become the norm, especially with FA or you are going to become disenchanted with most of the list in coming years.

Pretty good assessment of Frawley and i agree that FA is here so we need to get used to players delayng conracts to maximise the pay but. The bottom line for me is that the MFC will find a move up the ladder long and hard if as has been the case the majority of the developed players hitting their prime move on under FA. We can all argue the relative merits of the FA losses and gains to date but long term if we loose the majority of developed players when they hit the FA criteria it is a bad thing. Yes at times we will pick up players like Vince from other clubs but the trend of the best players going to successful clbs will ensure that we will loose over time.

We need Frawley to hang around because all Australian developed backmen dont grow on trees. If Frawley leaves we are back to having to find a key back and key forward (replacing Clark) and adding depth and class to the midfield. That is not a one year fix.

Anyone know how to remove those plastic-y numbers from the back of the jumper?

I'm also fielding suggestions for a replacement number. 3 could be the go.

or 18

Anyone know how to remove those plastic-y numbers from the back of the jumper?

I'm also fielding suggestions for a replacement number. 3 could be the go.

Come on mate, #7

or 18

Not bad, but I'm looking for a long term investment.

Come on mate, #7

That's a good one. I think the most likely will be 3, 7 or 12. Tough decision to make.

We need Frawley to hang around because all Australian developed backmen dont grow on trees. If Frawley leaves we are back to having to find a key back and key forward (replacing Clark) and adding depth and class to the midfield. That is not a one year fix.

I'm neither here or there on him staying. I think he has value for the club but equally I think we could possibly trade very well for pick 5ish ( a risk I know).

I am just bemused by the hand wringing and character assassination that is happening over something that is now almost a common theme with all clubs. ( add Malceski to the list)

Not bad, but I'm looking for a long term investment.

That's ok, Cross that bridge when you come to it and when you do make it 48 or 38

I'm neither here or there on him staying. I think he has value for the club but equally I think we could possibly trade very well for pick 5ish ( a risk I know).

I am just bemused by the hand wringing and character assassination that is happening over something that is now almost a common theme with all clubs. ( add Malceski to the list)

The question isnt realy about Frawley. I dont think Frawley is a gun and yes a pick 5 could be a win but that draft pick wont come good untill around 2017/18 after development. In the mean time further senior players get jack of waiting for the club to come good and leave under FA. At some stage we have to convince that pick 5 and everyone else like him to stay past 6-8 years or what ever the FA criteria ends up being by then or we continually end up getting in kids or other rejects to fill gaps and never get the class mature list we need to win a flag. In effect we become a feeder club.

Malceski is 29 and would be great for a couple of years but Fawley is only 25 has a good 5-7 years left in him including his prime, Malceski is no replacement for Frawley.

I understand the emotive side because thats what drives our life long support of the club and I am no different. I hate our players bailing from the club and dont like FA. That being said FA was always inevitable but I doubt I wil get used to it.