It amazes me that people want to delist Bail.

We all know we have a problem moving the ball out of half back. While this is exacerbated by the decision making of our defenders, I reckon the underlying problem is the lack of movement up-field. Often a player will look up and see 2 or 3 opposition players to our 1 up the wing, which of course causes them to hesitate, look inside, look back up the wing, and ultimately make a rushed decision.

Rohan Bail is the ONLY player on our list who consistently and effectively makes an option up the field. If all our players had half the desire to do repeat leads that he does we would be an immeasurably better side.

Also an article in the HUN (i think?) the other day mentioned he's leading our pressure acts for the year.

I'd even think of playing Fitzy in the last couple of games and dangle him around as trade bait ?

Freo gambled on Gumbleton ?

The only players worth keeping are N Jones, Salem, Jetta, JKH, Tyson, Michie, Cross, Jamar, Hogan, Dawes, Viney, Dunn, Kent, Vince, Howe. Jamar may retire. Cross may retire although I doubt it. The rest should be considered for trading or delisting.

sorry about the double up

The only players worth keeping are N Jones, Salem, Jetta, JKH, Tyson, Michie, Cross, Jamar, Hogan, Dawes, Viney, Dunn, Kent, Vince, Howe. Jamar may retire. Cross may retire although I doubt it. The rest should be considered for trading or delisting.

Cross recently signed for another year.

Pretty much agree. I'd keep Bail and Watts for one more year and give Harmes and King a crack.

The only players worth keeping are N Jones, Salem, Jetta, JKH, Tyson, Michie, Cross, Jamar, Hogan, Dawes, Viney, Dunn, Kent, Vince, Howe. Jamar may retire. Cross may retire although I doubt it. The rest should be considered for trading or delisting.

Comedy gold, gone from 20 to 30 players not worth keeping, Cross has just signed on again from next year by the way, so how are we going to trade players who posters on here regard as worthless?...Are you going to contribute to the payouts if we delist players who are still contracted?

Cross recently signed for another year.

Pretty much agree. I'd keep Bail and Watts for one more year and give Harmes and King a crack.

would Trade Bail and Watts if any takers.

Keep: Hogan, N.Jones, Salem, Watts , Toumpas ,Dawes ,Viney ,Trengove, Tyson , Dunn ,Cross , Garland , Peterson , Mitchie , Vince , JKH, T.Mac , Riley , Barry , Jetta , Jamar , Howe Gawm , Spencer , Bail , King

Retired: Clark , Bynes ,

Delist: McKenzie , Strauss , Nicholson ,Tapscott

Unsure: Clisby, Hunt , Evans , Gorgiou , Harmes , Jones , Terlich , Fitz

would Trade Bail and Watts if any takers.

For the right deal in a heart beat, I might add bb there are only a few plus half a dozen kids that I would not trade for the right deal

Wouldn't mind Harmes and Michie been given a crack in the last few weeks

Delist

Bail: can't kick.

Terlich: can't kick and panics after making dumb decision.

Blease: has pace, can't kick and a lions player ran away from him when he needed to chase.

Nicho: can't kick.

Tmac is luck he is a decent key defender cos his kicking is terrible and decision making not much better.

Garland and Grimes need to more hard over summer too.

Disagree re Bail - he's a walk up start every week because he runs hard, has pace, tackles, presents, follows up after his work and this year found some extra poise that has resulted in him now being a good kick. In short he plays his role and I can see Bail improving again next year. We'd be silly to delist him.

Keep Bail.

The form of Dustin Martin at the time was smacking us in the face - we just chose to ignore it.

Trengove and Martin were easy calls for mine.

Congratulations - you apparently are better at spotting talent than any recruiter in the land.

Again - I ask anyone to back up their assertion that Scully was not the best junior in the land at draft time and would not go number one. ( for gods sake he was quoted as number one 18 months out from the draft and that never changed)

I will make this offer - if you can find me one article by any credentialed journalist quoting recruiters that Martin was a better choice than Scully then I will give 10 to the contrary.

Why do people talk about Scully like he's a massive bust, how ridiculous. He had some really quality games in the middle of this year, is repeatedly picking up 20 or more possessions and routinely makes 5 or more tackles a game. I'd take that any day (take what he gets paid out of it, its irrelevant).

From my point of view, being a gun at TAC and SANFL would typically be a pretty good indicator.. not always, but typically.

He would fit in to our team quite well at the moment - his disposal by foot is ordinary. His handballing is terrific.

TAC and SANFL are indicators - nothing more.

Agree on Bail - he has undoubtedly improved and is the least of our problems.

Agree on Bail - he has undoubtedly improved and is the least of our problems.

There lies the problem IMO.

For bail to be a walk up start to the best 22 shows how poor the rest of players are that would replace him.

On his good days he is an average quality AFL player.

He would not get a game in the top ten teams.

Wouldn't mind Harmes and Michie been given a crack in the last few weeks

Wouldn't mind Harmes and Michie been given a crack in the last few weeks

whose crack?

There lies the problem IMO.

For bail to be a walk up start to the best 22 shows how poor the rest of players are that would replace him.

On his good days he is an average quality AFL player.

He would not get a game in the top ten teams.

Agree, but getting rid of Bail doesn't get rid of the problem. Kent, JKH, Salem and maybe Toumpas have the talent to take his spot. They just haven't been able to do it so far. Getting rid of Bail probably means anyone of those 3 become the next Sam Blease ie. gifted games and unable to fix the deficiencies in his game. It's the Blease's of the list who really highlight the problem which is failed development. We can draft and delist whoever we want but if we don't get some player development right with this current crop we will never get any better.

Agree, but getting rid of Bail doesn't get rid of the problem. Kent, JKH, Salem and maybe Toumpas have the talent to take his spot. They just haven't been able to do it so far. Getting rid of Bail probably means anyone of those 3 become the next Sam Blease ie. gifted games and unable to fix the deficiencies in his game. It's the Blease's of the list who really highlight the problem which is failed development. We can draft and delist whoever we want but if we don't get some player development right with this current crop we will never get any better.

I am not suggesting we fling him

I would trade him if a good deal came up.

That simple for me

There lies the problem IMO.

For bail to be a walk up start to the best 22 shows how poor the rest of players are that would replace him.

On his good days he is an average quality AFL player.

He would not get a game in the top ten teams.

Hey OD there is a guy at Hawthorn called Paul Puopolo, who I think we are trying to get Roh Bail to emulate, he averages 15 disposals, 3 tackles a game, less than a goal a game though, guess whose figures are similar with 30 odd games less

I am not suggesting we fling him

I would trade him if a good deal came up.

That simple for me

Why? and for who?...what is a good trade, somebody who can't get a game with their club, that is who is usually traded, unless it is a ridiculous trade like McEvoy, and you don't get a lot of them

Hey OD there is a guy at Hawthorn called Paul Puopolo, who I think we are trying to get Roh Bail to emulate, he averages 15 disposals, 3 tackles a game, less than a goal a game though, guess whose figures are similar with 30 odd games less

Difference is poppy can hit targets constantly and chooses good options.

Bail may get there, I highly doubt it.

There lies the problem IMO.

For bail to be a walk up start to the best 22 shows how poor the rest of players are that would replace him.

On his good days he is an average quality AFL player.

He would not get a game in the top ten teams.

I agree that Bail wouldn't get a game in higher ranked teams, but I also agree that he has improved this year and he has been consistent in his application more so than some the others making up numbers on match day. What I find interesting is that Roos has preferred to play Riley and build his fitness and regularly use him as the sub rather than bringing a fit player in from Casey. It's an indictment on the remaining players on the list, so I am expecting a ruthless approach to improve the side. I don't care who stays or goes and am tired of 7 years of crap under achieving, unskilled footballers.

Difference is poppy can hit targets constantly and chooses good options.

Bail may get there, I highly doubt it.

So he has played every game this season coz Roos doesn't care about those things, this is yet another Demonland myth, he is another one whose disposal efficiency is consistently in the 80% and above....his only knock for me was giving away too many cheap free kicks which he has fixed, and set shot for goal which he has fixed, let's not give a player kudos for actually working on improving