My last visual memory of him was wrestling Fraser Gehrig to the ground after he tried to play on around him just before half time? Our last final appearance in 2006. I think Gehrig never reappeared that game. A month later he has had some altercation with Ben Holland and was banished from the club. Last I heard he was playing up north and working in mining!

I still think that moment is one of the finest on field in our last 10 years.

Former AFL player Nathan Carroll on assault charges

Mental case.

I remember hearing his father was a Vietnam vet so it's not a great shock.

Living in Bali wouldn't help.

Sounds like a bungled attempt at imitating football's new douche bag - AFL star Lance Franklin 'runs amok' at swish bar

[censored] poor gutless act.

Mental case.

I remember hearing his father was a Vietnam vet so it's not a great shock.

Living in Bali wouldn't help.

Whats his Dad being a Vietnam vet got to do with anything.

As a son of a vet am I ment to be some sort of loose cannon who king hits people. let me know and I'll start acting differently.

Whats his Dad being a Vietnam vet got to do with anything.

As a son of a vet am I ment to be some sort of loose cannon who king hits people. let me know and I'll start acting differently.

It means that his father may have had violent outbursts,drinking problems and or depression and passed these traits on to his son.

This is not a knock on Vietnam Vets .

It means that his father may have had violent outbursts,drinking problems and or depression and passed these traits on to his son.

This is not a knock on Vietnam Vets .

Have you ever met Mr Carrol. Bit of a wide generalisation I would have thought.

Have you ever met Mr Carrol. Bit of a wide generalisation I would have thought.

An assumption sure.

A bit like the Campbell Brown thread.

Again,it's not a knock ,but could be a valid starting point as to why he might want to knock out 3 strangers with one arm in Chapel St .

if you and your dad are well adjusted ,happy and functional ,good luck to you-many vets and their families aren't due to PTSD and related symptoms.

It means that his father may have had violent outbursts,drinking problems and or depression and passed these traits on to his son.

This is not a knock on Vietnam Vets .

The causal reason he king hit blokes was his dad served in the armed services.

WOW.

Have you ever met Mr Carrol. Bit of a wide generalisation I would have thought.

well wait till you get ambushed in your own driveway in the dark as an 8 Yr old, by an Ex prisoner of War, assaulted & shaken shyte out of until you fall out of your ripped shirt to the ground.

If you think Ex army people aren't damaged, & can pass on that damage to others around them, then your in another world. they aren't the only ones with PTSD. it goes around.

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well wait till you get ambushed in your own driveway in the dark as an 8 Yr old, by an Ex prisoner of War, assaulted & shaken shyte out of until you fall out of your ripped shirt to the ground.

If you think Ex army people aren't damaged, & can pass on that damage to others around them, then your in another world. they aren't the only ones with PTSD. it goes around.

so if you are traunatised by war how do you pass that on through your genes i.e if its not genetic ?

so if you are traunatised by war how do you pass that on through your genes i.e if its not genetic ?

genetic maybe <1%?

things do get handed down through the genes, but not really in one generation.

IMO Ablett snr had the strength handed down of generations of family tree fellers. wood choppers. inherent core strength & athleticism. but he also got the same edgy emotions of the hardened forest men. & also damaged by the same hard ruthless edge of his elders.

the baby bird grows & builds a nest. Its never witnessed it before but it knows how. its the inbuilt IQ program in its genes, built in from passed generations of its relative birds from that locale.

when the environment changes, so will the birds ways following generations of adaptations.

but the unlucky young birds are the ones who immediately follow the hardship of traumatic changes thrust on the elders.

The causal reason he king hit blokes was his dad served in the armed services.

WOW.

I said could be..

Anyway-I'm not knocking the Armed Services.

Never meant to.

I apologise for the assumption.

my point has been lost.

The causal reason he king hit blokes was his dad served in the armed services.

WOW.

His father was a tunnel rat in Vietnam. If you aren't aware of what that means look it up. His father is/was seriously effected by the experience which impacted Nathan's upbringing.

Job's in the army can be different. You can work behind the lines and see no action or you can crawl into a tunnel knowing there is a good chance you'll never come out.

I'd be slow to judge.

so if you are traunatised by war how do you pass that on through your genes i.e if its not genetic ?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/carroll-tells-of-dads-long-dark-tunnel/story-e6frf9if-1111116159935

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/carroll-tells-of-dads-long-dark-tunnel/story-e6frf9if-1111116159935

This^^^^^And when you came home long haired hippys would spit at you and call you baby killers...It was a very unpopular war both here and in the U.S.

This^^^^^And when you came home long haired hippys would spit at you and call you baby killers...It was a very unpopular war both here and in the U.S.

Yes it was, and a large percentage of those that served there were conscripts who didn't want to go in the Army, and certainly didn't want to go to Vietnam. I missed out on the draft and vividly recall the day, I got both my tax return and letter advising me I'd been exempted the same day so it was a double celebration.

Stupid bloody war.

Yes it was, and a large percentage of those that served there were conscripts who didn't want to go in the Army, and certainly didn't want to go to Vietnam. I missed out on the draft and vividly recall the day, I got both my tax return and letter advising me I'd been exempted the same day so it was a double celebration.

Stupid bloody war.

My best mate and I missed on the same day Robbie.

Was a hell of a night !

why the [censored] would anyone want to live in that absolute dump of a place called Bali

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/carroll-tells-of-dads-long-dark-tunnel/story-e6frf9if-1111116159935

and ?

and ?

You can't work out how a man who "would fly in to wild rages at the drop of the hat" and "shake, break into clammy sweats, hit the booze and go off on his own for months on end" might have a severe negative impact on his children?

and ?

It's fairly common-which is why I jumped to that conclusion.

Thank you Nasher for posting that.

There was a show on ABC last week-more than 20per cent of soldiers will struggle with booze,depression,violence etc upon return to Australia.

They are coming back from Afghanistan mentally ruined.Somalia,Iraq Bosnia etc is no different.

Many will sucide-some will damage their families for years before they get help.

It's a shame the Vets aren't better resourced.

Hogans Heros-The only answer I can think of is that Redgum was playing in the Carroll household. "Only 19" and "I've been to Bali too".

Just a guess.

My best mate and I missed on the same day Robbie.

Was a hell of a night !

Going off topic a bit now, but for a 30 year old like me, it's hard to reconcile a couple of blokes who regularly post on the footy forum I post on, celebrating the fact that they avoided conscription. It doesn't seem like the same world. Obviously I know it happened, but I still struggle to imagine an Australia where people my age and younger are being ordered to go to war - and what a relief it must have been for those who were exempted.

Going off topic a bit now, but for a 30 year old like me, it's hard to reconcile a couple of blokes who regularly post on the footy forum I post on, celebrating the fact that they avoided conscription. It doesn't seem like the same world. Obviously I know it happened, but I still struggle to imagine an Australia where people my age and younger are being ordered to go to war - and what a relief it must have been for those who were exempted.

You bet it was none of us wanted to go and none of understood why we were there in the first place; we had a 100,000 strong march against the war in Victoria. My brother got called up but opted to do 6 years in the Air Force instead because he wanted to get married and didn't want to go over there.

Some of my friends went and were different when they returned.