Jump to content

Bombers scandal: charged, <redacted> and <infracted>

Jonesbag
Jonesbag
in Melbourne Demons

Featured Replies

But nothing happens for months at a time and still we waffle on about it.

yeah...but its not about us...:)

 

This saga is just going to keep giving and giving.

Has anyone thought about the uneven impact on the competition next year if they are banned for a period of time during the first part of the season. The teams that play them during this time will be playing a reserves team that will clearly be non competitive, whereas say the bans run out mid July the teams that play them after that will have a significant disadvantage.

For instance the Hawks play them twice, the second time on 27 June. So quite conceivably could have two massive blow out games against a reserves team. Whereas the Swans play them only once in round 1 and the Power only play them once on 25 July so could have a massive disadvantage.

We only play them once in Rd 14, 11 July so they could well be back to full strength by then whereas the Saints play them twice, the second time on 5 July. So conceivably that could be a two game advantage plus percentage over us to a direct competitor. Lions get them once on 24 May.

So any bans that are less than 1 yr and therefore only apply to part of the season will stuff up the whole competition and have a major impact on final ladder positions. 1yr bans would have the added advantage of stopping this from happening except that every team that plays the reserve team they are fielding twice will have a very big advantage although less than if the reserves team only plays for part of the season.

This saga is just going to keep giving and giving.

Has anyone thought about the uneven impact on the competition next year if they are banned for a period of time during the first part of the season. The teams that play them during this time will be playing a reserves team that will clearly be non competitive, whereas say the bans run out mid July the teams that play them after that will have a significant disadvantage.

For instance the Hawks play them twice, the second time on 27 June. So quite conceivably could have two massive blow out games against a reserves team. Whereas the Swans play them only once in round 1 and the Power only play them once on 25 July so could have a massive disadvantage.

We only play them once in Rd 14, 11 July so they could well be back to full strength by then whereas the Saints play them twice, the second time on 5 July. So conceivably that could be a two game advantage plus percentage over us to a direct competitor. Lions get them once on 24 May.

So any bans that are less than 1 yr and therefore only apply to part of the season will stuff up the whole competition and have a major impact on final ladder positions. 1yr bans would have the added advantage of stopping this from happening except that every team that plays the reserve team they are fielding twice will have a very big advantage although less than if the reserves team only plays for part of the season.

it is quite possible a team penalty could be devised where they play 2015 for no points a'la storm
 

This saga is just going to keep giving and giving.

Has anyone thought about the uneven impact on the competition next year if they are banned for a period of time during the first part of the season. The teams that play them during this time will be playing a reserves team that will clearly be non competitive, whereas say the bans run out mid July the teams that play them after that will have a significant disadvantage.

For instance the Hawks play them twice, the second time on 27 June. So quite conceivably could have two massive blow out games against a reserves team. Whereas the Swans play them only once in round 1 and the Power only play them once on 25 July so could have a massive disadvantage.

We only play them once in Rd 14, 11 July so they could well be back to full strength by then whereas the Saints play them twice, the second time on 5 July. So conceivably that could be a two game advantage plus percentage over us to a direct competitor. Lions get them once on 24 May.

So any bans that are less than 1 yr and therefore only apply to part of the season will stuff up the whole competition and have a major impact on final ladder positions. 1yr bans would have the added advantage of stopping this from happening except that every team that plays the reserve team they are fielding twice will have a very big advantage although less than if the reserves team only plays for part of the season.

Aren't they banned from training with the rest of team as well, so even if they do get the players back through the year it is unlikely they will gel before the year is over.

Amen

Old Dee, there is no compulsion in reading this. If you think it has gone on too long - don't read it. It is simple really.

There are a lot of people who believe it is the most important thing in football at the moment - potentially could change the whole economics of the game. Some of us think that is not only interesting,but important. For those like you and Demoneyes, you presumably think the latest on Hogan's back is more interesting. Go for it, leave it to others to address issues effecting the future of football.


Aren't they banned from training with the rest of team as well, so even if they do get the players back through the year it is unlikely they will gel before the year is over.

The sanction given to the NRL players was 3 2014 matches plus part of the 2015 preseason. The sanction has just been completed.

Imagine what a brain drain it would be for that poor NRL team to loose all those players for such a period of time...

But nothing happens for months at a time and still we waffle on about it.

Demonland in a nutshell, OD ... :blink:
 

Imagine what a brain drain it would be for that poor NRL team to loose all those players for such a period of time...

Don't be surprised if the EFC is not too different

Demonland in a nutshell, OD ... :blink:

Yes R and B but at least it is the MFC not some other AFL team


Yes R and B but at least it is the MFC not some other AFL team

Amen! (or this case, not about MFC ...) :blink:

it is quite possible a team penalty could be devised where they play 2015 for no points a'la storm

Yeh, I thought of that but that means that all the teams that play them twice get adversely effected. So if they play those games for no points, I assume that means the opposition team gets no points for playing them plus no percentage. This is likely to be a big penalty for a team like the Hawks who play them twice compared to the Swans who play them once. On the other hand if they are automatically awarded the 4pts then that creates an unfair advantage. Eg Saints play them twice, we only play them once. That would have been slotted in as two of the harder games for them based on ladder position so they will play easier teams other than Essendon and that would be an unfair advantage compared to us.

No easy answer.

Yeh, I thought of that but that means that all the teams that play them twice get adversely effected. So if they play those games for no points, I assume that means the opposition team gets no points for playing them plus no percentage. This is likely to be a big penalty for a team like the Hawks who play them twice compared to the Swans who play them once. On the other hand if they are automatically awarded the 4pts then that creates an unfair advantage. Eg Saints play them twice, we only play them once. That would have been slotted in as two of the harder games for them based on ladder position so they will play easier teams other than Essendon and that would be an unfair advantage compared to us.

No easy answer.

I think the way it works is if Ess win they get zero points but if their opponents win eg Hawkes, then the Hawkes get the 4 pts. So it shouldn't affect the ladder position or % (Except that Ess end up on the bottom).

This would work as long as their draft position for 2015 is based on their 'unpenalised' ladder position. Ie a 'shadow' ladder is kept showing where Ess would be if they were playing for points/%'age. This way they do not get the #1 draft pick in 2015.

I think the way it works is if Ess win they get zero points but if their opponents win eg Hawkes, then the Hawkes get the 4 pts. So it shouldn't affect the ladder position or % (Except that Ess end up on the bottom).

This would work as long as their draft position for 2015 is based on their 'unpenalised' ladder position. Ie a 'shadow' ladder is kept showing where Ess would be if they were playing for points/%'age. This way they do not get the #1 draft pick in 2015.

This is a fantastic idea and as such has no chance of being implemented.

I think the way it works is if Ess win they get zero points but if their opponents win eg Hawkes, then the Hawkes get the 4 pts. So it shouldn't affect the ladder position or % (Except that Ess end up on the bottom).

This would work as long as their draft position for 2015 is based on their 'unpenalised' ladder position. Ie a 'shadow' ladder is kept showing where Ess would be if they were playing for points/%'age. This way they do not get the #1 draft pick in 2015.

Good thinking


I think the way it works is if Ess win they get zero points but if their opponents win eg Hawkes, then the Hawkes get the 4 pts. So it shouldn't affect the ladder position or % (Except that Ess end up on the bottom).

This would work as long as their draft position for 2015 is based on their 'unpenalised' ladder position. Ie a 'shadow' ladder is kept showing where Ess would be if they were playing for points/%'age. This way they do not get the #1 draft pick in 2015.

Better still kick them out of the league and promote another team.

Essendon is just another word for Drug Cheating Cult.

f4c425040c.jpg

Do it for the Kids.

So they don't have to play AFL football with a Drug Cheating Cult.

I think the way it works is if Ess win they get zero points but if their opponents win eg Hawkes, then the Hawkes get the 4 pts. So it shouldn't affect the ladder position or % (Except that Ess end up on the bottom).

This would work as long as their draft position for 2015 is based on their 'unpenalised' ladder position. Ie a 'shadow' ladder is kept showing where Ess would be if they were playing for points/%'age. This way they do not get the #1 draft pick in 2015.

I propose one improvement, they get their picks at the end of the round. The penalty that keeps on giving. - No need to tank.

I think the way it works is if Ess win they get zero points but if their opponents win eg Hawkes, then the Hawkes get the 4 pts. So it shouldn't affect the ladder position or % (Except that Ess end up on the bottom).

...

Is that assuming no players are rubbed out? If they are rubbed out, then the team which plays their 'reserves' twice (or before the ban expires) has an extra 4 points over other teams which don't and a boosted percentage (assuming the likely outcome is a hiding). Am I missing something?

Is that assuming no players are rubbed out? If they are rubbed out, then the team which plays their 'reserves' twice (or before the ban expires) has an extra 4 points over other teams which don't and a boosted percentage (assuming the likely outcome is a hiding). Am I missing something?

Not really ( missing anything )

but with 18 teams there cant be equity in all of this no matte where you start in at.

Five teams play the buggers twice. Hawks, Saints, Tiges, Pies and Roos.

So be it

I think the way it works is if Ess win they get zero points but if their opponents win eg Hawkes, then the Hawkes get the 4 pts. So it shouldn't affect the ladder position or % (Except that Ess end up on the bottom).

This would work as long as their draft position for 2015 is based on their 'unpenalised' ladder position. Ie a 'shadow' ladder is kept showing where Ess would be if they were playing for points/%'age. This way they do not get the #1 draft pick in 2015.

It's a perfect way to suck any competitive interest from a game that will have supporters from both EFC and competing clubs deserting the games in droves, TV viewers switching off and it destabilises and undermines the whole AFL season. The AFL loses big time and as a consequence everyone in football loses big time including MFC.

As I understand it the penalties that are likely will be at the players and not the Club level. And if the players are suspended for a fair period then the Club will be crippled enough without the outcome of taking the points.

The punishment for EFC is they need to jettison Hird and Reid. Not re employ Bomber and they need to exit Little and other Involved Board member ASAP

I don't think the Melbourne Storm situation is applicable or appropriate here.


didnt stop Storm from playing or competing...just saying

Is that assuming no players are rubbed out? If they are rubbed out, then the team which plays their 'reserves' twice (or before the ban expires) has an extra 4 points over other teams which don't and a boosted percentage (assuming the likely outcome is a hiding). Am I missing something?

I would have thought players would be rubbed out for a period. But hitting the club for points as well is draconian and unnecessary.

didnt stop Storm from playing or competing...just saying

They didn't have players suspended as well. And the penalty Storm were done for was salary cap rorting. The penalties were at the Club and not the player level.

 

This saga is just going to keep giving and giving.

Has anyone thought about the uneven impact on the competition next year if they are banned for a period of time during the first part of the season. The teams that play them during this time will be playing a reserves team that will clearly be non competitive, whereas say the bans run out mid July the teams that play them after that will have a significant disadvantage.

For instance the Hawks play them twice, the second time on 27 June. So quite conceivably could have two massive blow out games against a reserves team. Whereas the Swans play them only once in round 1 and the Power only play them once on 25 July so could have a massive disadvantage.

We only play them once in Rd 14, 11 July so they could well be back to full strength by then whereas the Saints play them twice, the second time on 5 July. So conceivably that could be a two game advantage plus percentage over us to a direct competitor. Lions get them once on 24 May.

So any bans that are less than 1 yr and therefore only apply to part of the season will stuff up the whole competition and have a major impact on final ladder positions. 1yr bans would have the added advantage of stopping this from happening except that every team that plays the reserve team they are fielding twice will have a very big advantage although less than if the reserves team only plays for part of the season.

a grossly unfair and uneven "draw" has never worried the AFL hierarchy before so I don't see why it will suddenly do so

The Medical Board / AHPRA are being as tardy and neglectful as are WorkSafe (or whatever they are called this week). He (appears to have ) failed in his primary duty, which is to to care for his patients and look after their welfare and instead put the employers' priorities first. E P I C F A I L !

Could be as simple as the possible fact that no one has made a complaint to the relevant body

I was of the understanding that they were charged with diligent oversight of the profession, so shouldn't need a complaint. And they ain't blind and deaf so will know about his behaviour in this matter. Not sure of the footy allegiances of those on the board though.


Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing

Featured Content

  • PREVIEW: Essendon

    As the focus of the AFL moves exclusively to South Australia for Gather Round, the question is raised as to what are we going to get from the  Melbourne Football Club this weekend? Will it be a repeat of the slop fest of the last three weeks that have seen the team score a measly 174 points and concede 310 or will a return to the City of Churches and the scene where they performed at their best in 2024 act as a wakeup call and bring them out of their early season reverie?  Or will the sleepy Dees treat their fans to a reenactment of their lazy effort from the first Gather Round of two years ago when they allowed the Bombers to trample all over them on a soggy and wet Adelaide Oval? The two examples from above tell us how fickle form can be in football. Last year, a committed group of players turned up in Adelaide with a businesslike mindset. They had a plan, went in confidently and hard for the football and kicked winning scores against both home teams in a difficult environment for visitors. And they repeated that sort of effort later in the season when they played Essendon at the MCG.

      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 0 replies
    Demonland
    Demonland

  • PREGAME: Essendon

    Facing the very real and daunting prospect of starting the season with five straight losses, the Demons head to South Australia for the annual Gather Round, where they’ll take on the Bombers in search of their first win of the year. Who comes in, and who comes out?

      • Thanks
    • 479 replies
    Demonland
    Demonland

  • NON-MFC: Round 05

    Gather Round is here, kicking off with a Thursday night blockbuster as Adelaide faces Geelong. The Crows will be out for redemption after a controversial loss last week. Saturday starts with the Magpies taking on the Swans. Collingwood will be eager to cement their spot in the top eight, while Sydney is hot on their heels. In the Barossa Valley, two rising sides go head-to-head in a fascinating battle to prove they're the real deal. Later, Carlton and West Coast face off at Adelaide Oval, both desperate to notch their first win of the season. The action then shifts to Norwood, where the undefeated Lions will aim to keep their streak alive against the Bulldogs. Sunday’s games begin in the Barossa with Richmond up against Fremantle. In Norwood, the Saints will be looking to take a scalp when they come up against the Giants. The round concludes with a fiery rematch of last year's semi-final, as the Hawks seek revenge for their narrow loss to Port Adelaide. Who are you tipping this week and what are the best results for the Demons besides us winning?

      • Thanks
    • 123 replies
    Demonland
    Demonland

  • CASEY: Geelong

    There was a time in the second quarter of the game at the Cattery on Friday afternoon when the Casey Demons threatened to take the game apart against the Cats. The Demons had been well on top early but were struggling to convert their ascendancy over the ground until Tom Fullarton’s burst of three goals in the space of eight minutes on the way to a five goal haul and his best game for the club since arriving from Brisbane at the end of 2023. He was leading, marking and otherwise giving his opponents a merry dance as Casey grabbed a three goal lead in the blink of an eye. Fullarton has now kicked ten goals in Casey’s three matches and, with Melbourne’s forward conversion woes, he is definitely in with a chance to get his first game with the club in next week’s Gather Round in Adelaide. Despite the tall forward’s efforts - he finished with 19 disposals and eight marks and had four hit outs as back up to Will Verrall in the second half - it wasn’t enough as Geelong reigned in the lead through persistent attacks and eventually clawed their way to the lead early in the last and held it till they achieved the end aim of victory.

      • Like
    • 0 replies
    Demonland
    Demonland

  • REPORT: Geelong

    I was disappointed to hear Goody say at his post match presser after the team’s 39 point defeat against Geelong that "we're getting high quality entry, just poor execution" because Melbourne’s problems extend far beyond that after its 0 - 4 start to the 2025 football season. There are clearly problems with poor execution, some of which were evident well before the current season and were in play when the Demons met the Cats in early May last year and beat them in a near top-of-the-table clash that saw both sides sitting comfortably in the top four after round eight. Since that game, the Demons’ performances have been positively Third World with only five wins in 19 games with a no longer majestic midfield and a dysfunctional forward line that has become too easy for opposing coaches to counter. This is an area of their game that is currently being played out as if they were all completely panic-stricken.

      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 0 replies
    Demonland
    Demonland

  • NON-MFC: Round 04

    Round 4 kicks off with a blockbuster on Thursday night as traditional rivals Collingwood and Carlton clash at the MCG, with the Magpies looking to assert themselves as early-season contenders and the Blues seeking their first win of the season. Saturday opens with Gold Coast hosting Adelaide, a key test for the Suns as they aim to back up their big win last week, while the Crows will be looking to keep their perfect record intact. Reigning wooden spooners Richmond have the daunting task of facing reigning premiers Brisbane at the ‘G and the Lions will be eager to reaffirm their premiership credentials after a patchy start. Saturday night sees North Melbourne take on Sydney at Marvel Stadium, with the Swans looking to build on their first win of the season last week against a rebuilding Roos outfit. Sunday’s action begins with GWS hosting West Coast at ENGIE Stadium, a game that could get ugly very early for the visitors. Port Adelaide vs St Kilda at Adelaide Oval looms as a interesting clash, with both clubs form being very hard to read. The round wraps up with Fremantle taking on the Western Bulldogs at Optus Stadium in what could be a fierce contest between two sides with top-eight ambitions. Who are you tipping this week and what are the best results for the Demons besides us winning?

      • Thanks
    • 273 replies
    Demonland
    Demonland
View All