Jump to content

Bombers scandal: charged, <redacted> and <infracted>



Recommended Posts

Posted

I am flabbergasted.

The more fight the players and their lawyers fight this, the worse the ban will be.

2mrb5hv.jpg

  • Like 1

Posted

The only example of which I'm aware is the WADA response to the deals ASADA cut with the NRL players. It came out as a bit of a lecture to ASADA suggesting that it was prepared to tolerate the laxity of the sanctions in that case but not to go there in future. WADA has a complex anti doping code to uphold and the impression I gained was that it expected support in that regard from this country's anti doping body. I got the impression that giving out three match penalties when athletes bound by the code elsewhere get 12 to 24 months isn't going to be tolerated.

Also the whole AOD-9604 thing.

Jobe Watson admitted to taking it, the football world had him hung, drawn and quartered because WADA said it was banned.

ASADA didn't have it on their banned list and thus have not pursued Essendon over it.

There was a few weeks of uncertainty there while ASADA and WADA sorted themselves out over it.

And the Cronulla thing as mentioned previously.

I would have thought they would be in complete agreement on everything.

I guess when you're a Bombers fan, you're always looking for little chinks in the ASADA armour.

But none of this really matters in relation to what Essendon have done and what is to come.

Nor should it impact on what happens to Essendon.

So all the cheerleaders for team ASADA on here have nothing to worry about.

Posted

Also the whole AOD-9604 thing.

Jobe Watson admitted to taking it, the football world had him hung, drawn and quartered because WADA said it was banned.

ASADA didn't have it on their banned list and thus have not pursued Essendon over it.

There was a few weeks of uncertainty there while ASADA and WADA sorted themselves out over it.

Ash I think you will find that AOD9604 was banned at the time the players allegedly took it

It was banned implicitly under the WADA S0 subsection

ASADA don't have a banned substance list, it is WADA who have a list

It appears they dropped pursuing AOD in preference for Thymosin because there was a somewhat grey area with AOD in that some misleading or incomplete advice may have been given by the ACC and possibly ASADA employees because it wasn't explicitly on the S1 to S6 subsections

But it was banned under the S0 provisions

  • Like 1
Posted

I thought it was banned as it was not prescriptively listed as approved ? Or something like that.

But surely now that there is a 360 page report the situation will be clear and players must know where they stand.

The fillibustering of Little and Hird can be seen to be a bit of delay to get the list in order until the ego took over A bit like Armstrong until the penny dropped that times have changed.

Still cant help but feel sorry for players that let themselves be injected so regularly and didnt seek a second opinion A lot of blind faith that goes some way to their performance also.

Posted

I guess when you're a Bombers fan, you're always looking for little chinks in the ASADA armour.

But none of this really matters in relation to what Essendon have done and what is to come.

Nor should it impact on what happens to Essendon.

So all the cheerleaders for team ASADA on here have nothing to worry about.

Ash...heres the thing that grates on most; it's the adoption of the 'victim' stance and that ASADA are the big bad meanies.

They're not. They are the ones charged with policing the adherence to the code locally . Someone steps out of line, or across it they will be brought to task.

Other athletes in other sports seemed to be in NO confusion as to what's allowed etc but supposedly Footballers are special ? These same said footballers who undergo hours upon hours of information and awareness regarding their responsibilities. The same footballers who invariably grew up in an age of Info tech...These same footballers who are playing dumb ??

There are the Drugs specifically mentioned on the Prohibitive List ( updated regularly ) and those that automatically fall under their S.O categories. whereby any drug not approved for human use automatically is covered by the S.O

Please , they are not the VICTIMS as is the want of your club ( irony to the nth) or the AFLPA would have them be, they are transgressors.

The Victims would in essence be the other athletes , those that do the right thing and observe the rules , should they seemingly be treated differently by happenstance if the Footballers get any leniency....any !!

Whatever 'happens' to Essendon was actually brought upon the club itself, by ...itself.

I think you'll find most people aren't cheerleaders for ASADA per se they are cheerleaders for Fairness and equal treatment.. ASADA is merely the messenger.

This cant be seen as some sort of aberration within an otherwise safe and above-board practice. it was a long drawn out systemic approach to rorting. Then to make matters worse the club , especially its icons , take the stance of 'oh woe is us". How dare anyone seek to call us to account. Even now the club doesnt get it ( or maybe it DOES ) by continuing to counsel and advise the players and basically co-opt them further by paying and overseeing their 'defense". The players can only be stupid to still provide themselves as cannon fodder in all of this.

The only ones I have the slightest semblance of sympathy for are the likes of yourself, but even that ends if you can't see what's been wrong in it's entirety.

The Club (yours ) and Specifically Hird were reminded of the legalities and banned use of various peptides by the AFL. They choose to be above all of that and still choose to concoct a ridiculous stance against being found out.

I truly hope Hird rots somewhere and is never allowed near a sporting venue , let alone organisation ever again. If the players can't wake up to the continued ruse then they are their own worst enemies.

  • Like 9

Posted

I thought it was banned as it was not prescriptively listed as approved ? Or something like that.

But surely now that there is a 360 page report the situation will be clear and players must know where they stand.

The fillibustering of Little and Hird can be seen to be a bit of delay to get the list in order until the ego took over A bit like Armstrong until the penny dropped that times have changed.

Still cant help but feel sorry for players that let themselves be injected so regularly and didnt seek a second opinion A lot of blind faith that goes some way to their performance also.

yes as simple as that, who'd have thought :rolleyes:

  • Like 1
Posted

You'll all enjoy this - Hird = Lindy Chamberlain:

http://thenewdaily.cmail1.com/t/i-l-euldrt-kyujaku-f/

Why is Hird being picked on it asks? Perhaps it was because he was head coach during the 'pharmaceutical experiment".

Yep this bloke sure knows a lot about Luhrmann...!!!!!! Fukk all about this....but lots about Baz !! ^_^


Posted

I love that asada apparently hasnt provided any clarity.

Id say the players have about 350 pages of clarity each

funny thing is that the club could give them clarity.... " We injected you with ....... " :rolleyes:

  • Like 1

Posted

Perhaps he'll get a nice holiday on a quiet (but sadly remote) island.

more likely exiled to romsey, bbo

on second thoughts f log can have him in wa? after all he has plenty of spare toilets

Posted

Also the whole AOD-9604 thing.

Jobe Watson admitted to taking it, the football world had him hung, drawn and quartered because WADA said it was banned.

ASADA didn't have it on their banned list and thus have not pursued Essendon over it.

There was a few weeks of uncertainty there while ASADA and WADA sorted themselves out over it.

And the Cronulla thing as mentioned previously.

I would have thought they would be in complete agreement on everything.

I guess when you're a Bombers fan, you're always looking for little chinks in the ASADA armour.

But none of this really matters in relation to what Essendon have done and what is to come.

Nor should it impact on what happens to Essendon.

So all the cheerleaders for team ASADA on here have nothing to worry about.

Ash, it's not clear yet what WADA's position is over McDevitt's decision not to go down the AOD9604 path. Since there's been no listing of players on the register of findings, no infraction notices and no deals to be ratified yet, we really don't know how WADA will react to the AOD9604 thing. Whilst it didn't object or appeal over the NRL deals, there is no certainty that it won't take the AOD9604 matter to CAS if there is evidence available that the drug was administered to players.

In any event, I wouldn't be hanging my hat on that supposed "chink" because it's what probably broke the case against Essendon in the first place. Dank was too smart by half and thought he had found a way around the WADA Code by his querying of the status of AOD9604. He would have gotten away with TB4 as well but he stuffed it up by not understanding that TB4 is S2 and not S0.

In the eyes of most people, the smugness of Jobe's admission of the ingestion of an S0 peptide ain't a good look and will possibly not help his cause in the long run.

Nor will, I suspect, the current argy bargy about the players' lawyers advising them not to even consider making deals at this stage.

They really can't have their cakes and eat them and by that I mean that if they're prepared to have the cases tested in the appropriate tribunal (which is their right) they can't turn around much later and try to claim discounts because they supposedly co-operated or, in view of Job's boasts about ingesting an S0 peptide that's banned; how on earth can the no significant fault line be seriously argued?

I suspect the players are in WADA's gunsights. They need to very well-advised as to the steps they take next.

  • Like 2

Posted

So all the cheerleaders for team ASADA on here have nothing to worry about.

Statements like that do nothing to reinforce your argument, or even help establish one. Quite the reverse.

  • Like 1
Posted

It appears they dropped pursuing AOD in preference for Thymosin because there was a somewhat grey area with AOD in that some misleading or incomplete advice may have been given by the ACC and possibly ASADA employees because it wasn't explicitly on the S1 to S6 subsections

But it was banned under the S0 provisions

Agreed. But I don't believe it had much to do with misinformation or confusion, simply that:

- there have been very few S0 prosecutions. On the other hand, Thymosin Beta 4 is clearly banned under S2.

- ASADA must feel that they have a stronger (= easier to prove) case and evidence in regards to the use of TB4 at Essendon.

Without the full facts behind ASADA's decisions, Essendon fans are simply deluding themselves if they think the non-prosecution of the AOD case shows some kind of incompetence or confusion on ASADA's behalf. It would be an unwise path to take, just as it was in regards to the court case re the legality of the whole investigation.

  • Like 1
Posted

I love that asada apparently hasnt provided any clarity.

Id say the players have about 350 pages of clarity each

But they are Essendon so it does not count if they disagree with it.


Posted

Also the whole AOD-9604 thing.

Jobe Watson admitted to taking it, the football world had him hung, drawn and quartered because WADA said it was banned.

ASADA didn't have it on their banned list and thus have not pursued Essendon over it.

There was a few weeks of uncertainty there while ASADA and WADA sorted themselves out over it.

And the Cronulla thing as mentioned previously.

I would have thought they would be in complete agreement on everything.

I guess when you're a Bombers fan, you're always looking for little chinks in the ASADA armour.

But none of this really matters in relation to what Essendon have done and what is to come.

Nor should it impact on what happens to Essendon.

So all the cheerleaders for team ASADA on here have nothing to worry about.

They have a Team?

How does one join it?

Members-Wanted.png

  • Like 1
Posted

One thing that is not clear at this stage is whether or not parents and spouses etc are going to be prepared to "stick fat" as the horrible expression goes or not.

In fact at this juncture I am a bit surprised by the silence from that sphere of this sorry saga.

They would have every reason now with evidence in front of them to be abhorred and even vengeful...

  • Like 1

Posted

One thing that is not clear at this stage is whether or not parents and spouses etc are going to be prepared to "stick fat" as the horrible expression goes or not.

In fact at this juncture I am a bit surprised by the silence from that sphere of this sorry saga.

They would have every reason now with evidence in front of them to be abhorred and even vengeful...

This is one aspect I really dont get. Why on earth give the club get out of jail cards when your own kids are the lab-rats..

I mean ffs. Grow some parents :huh:

Posted

One thing that is not clear at this stage is whether or not parents and spouses etc are going to be prepared to "stick fat" as the horrible expression goes or not.

In fact at this juncture I am a bit surprised by the silence from that sphere of this sorry saga.

They would have every reason now with evidence in front of them to be abhorred and even vengeful...

And to give them their due they have performed admirably on the field against the odds. I shudder to think how our Melbourne players would have gone under the same pressure

  • Like 1
Posted

And to give them their due they have performed admirably on the field against the odds....

Got to agree with that......n the field they have worked as a team

Doesn't the old saying "as thick as thieves" pick on the bond that develops between criminals as they plot and scheme to avoid being caught ?

  • Like 2
Posted

In any event, I wouldn't be hanging my hat on that supposed "chink" because it's what probably broke the case against Essendon in the first place. Dank was too smart by half and thought he had found a way around the WADA Code by his querying of the status of AOD9604. He would have gotten away with TB4 as well but he stuffed it up by not understanding that TB4 is S2 and not S0.

In the eyes of most people, the smugness of Jobe's admission of the ingestion of an S0 peptide ain't a good look and will possibly not help his cause in the long run.

Nor will, I suspect, the current argy bargy about the players' lawyers advising them not to even consider making deals at this stage.

They really can't have their cakes and eat them and by that I mean that if they're prepared to have the cases tested in the appropriate tribunal (which is their right) they can't turn around much later and try to claim discounts because they supposedly co-operated or, in view of Job's boasts about ingesting an S0 peptide that's banned; how on earth can the no significant fault line be seriously argued?

"Smugness" and "boasting"?

C'mon Jack, really have a good look at Jobes interview.

He was asked the question and he answered it, probably too honestly for his own good.

I'm coping a lot on here, and most of it is fine, but I won't cop that you think Jobe was smug with his admission.

You're better than that.

But your other points are valid, and I think people here are misreading what I am saying.

I am in complete agreement that any minor confusions between ASADA and WADA along the way should in no way lessen any impact on what Essendon has done and what will come of this.

The "Chinks in the armour" comment was just giving you guys an insight into what it's like to be an Essendon person at the moment.

I don't think the WADA/ASADA stuff is a chink, but as supporters, and I guess as a club, we are always looking for something.

And bing181, I've long stopped trying to "reinforce my argument" on here a week ago. No point. You guys have your minds made up, and rightly so.

I come here, have a bit of a chat about it, no real biggie for me.

I read that people here want my club to become bankrupt, kicked out of the comp forever, we are called Essendrugs, everyone is dancing on our graves and we aren't even in the ground yet, and you guys are loving it. And please don't deny it.

But honestly mate, it's fine. I have a pretty thick skin these days. This is a Melbourne FC forum.

I'm not here looking for sympathy or an argument.

So if a little light hearted comment about cheerleaders for team ASADA bothers you, I'm sorry.

  • Like 2
Posted
ASADA may call on Shane Charter and Nima Alavi at AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal

"CONVICTED drug trafficker Shane Charter and compound pharmacist Nima Alavi will likely be asked to give evidence in person at any AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal hearing of charges against current and former Essendon players."

Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    TRAINING: Friday 22nd November 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers were out in force on a scorching morning out at Gosch's Paddock for the final session before the whole squad reunites for the Preseason Training Camp. DEMONLAND'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS It’s going to be a scorcher today but I’m in the shade at Gosch’s Paddock ready to bring you some observations from the final session before the Preseason Training Camp next week.  Salem, Fritsch & Campbell are already on the track. Still no number on Campbell’s

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports 2

    UP IN LIGHTS by Whispering Jack

    Those who watched the 2024 Marsh AFL National Championships closely this year would not be particularly surprised that Melbourne selected Victoria Country pair Harvey Langford and Xavier Lindsay on the first night of the AFL National Draft. The two left-footed midfielders are as different as chalk and cheese but they had similar impacts in their Coates Talent League teams and in the National Championships in 2024. Their interstate side was edged out at the very end of the tournament for tea

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features

    TRAINING: Wednesday 20th November 2024

    It’s a beautiful cool morning down at Gosch’s Paddock and I’ve arrived early to bring you my observations from today’s session. DEMONLAND'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS Reigning Keith Bluey Truscott champion Jack Viney is the first one out on the track.  Jack’s wearing the red version of the new training guernsey which is the only version available for sale at the Demon Shop. TRAINING: Viney, Clarry, Lever, TMac, Rivers, Petty, McVee, Bowey, JVR, Hore, Tom Campbell (in tr

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    TRAINING: Monday 18th November 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers ventured down to Gosch's Paddock for the final week of training for the 1st to 4th Years until they are joined by the rest of the senior squad for Preseason Training Camp in Mansfield next week. WAYNE RUSSELL'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS No Ollie, Chin, Riv today, but Rick & Spargs turned up and McDonald was there in casual attire. Seston, and Howes did a lot of boundary running, and Tom Campbell continued his work with individual trainer in non-MFC

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    2024 Player Reviews: #11 Max Gawn

    Champion ruckman and brilliant leader, Max Gawn earned his seventh All-Australian team blazer and constantly held the team up on his shoulders in what was truly a difficult season for the Demons. Date of Birth: 30 December 1991 Height: 209cm Games MFC 2024: 21 Career Total: 224 Goals MFC 2024: 11 Career Total: 109 Brownlow Medal Votes: 13 Melbourne Football Club: 2nd Best & Fairest: 405 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 12

    2024 Player Reviews: #36 Kysaiah Pickett

    The Demons’ aggressive small forward who kicks goals and defends the Demons’ ball in the forward arc. When he’s on song, he’s unstoppable but he did blot his copybook with a three week suspension in the final round. Date of Birth: 2 June 2001 Height: 171cm Games MFC 2024: 21 Career Total: 106 Goals MFC 2024: 36 Career Total: 161 Brownlow Medal Votes: 3 Melbourne Football Club: 4th Best & Fairest: 369 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 5

    TRAINING: Friday 15th November 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers took advantage of the beautiful sunshine to head down to Gosch's Paddock and witness the return of Clayton Oliver to club for his first session in the lead up to the 2025 season. DEMONLAND'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS Clarry in the house!! Training: JVR, McVee, Windsor, Tholstrup, Woey, Brown, Petty, Adams, Chandler, Turner, Bowey, Seston, Kentfield, Laurie, Sparrow, Viney, Rivers, Jefferson, Hore, Howes, Verrall, AMW, Clarry Tom Campbell is here

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    2024 Player Reviews: #7 Jack Viney

    The tough on baller won his second Keith 'Bluey' Truscott Trophy in a narrow battle with skipper Max Gawn and Alex Neal-Bullen and battled on manfully in the face of a number of injury niggles. Date of Birth: 13 April 1994 Height: 178cm Games MFC 2024: 23 Career Total: 219 Goals MFC 2024: 10 Career Total: 66 Brownlow Medal Votes: 8

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 3

    TRAINING: Wednesday 13th November 2024

    A couple of Demonland Trackwatchers braved the rain and headed down to Gosch's paddock to bring you their observations from the second day of Preseason training for the 1st to 4th Year players. DITCHA'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS I attended some of the training today. Richo spoke to me and said not to believe what is in the media, as we will good this year. Jefferson and Kentfield looked big and strong.  Petty was doing all the training. Adams looked like he was in rehab.  KE

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

×
×
  • Create New...