"Check-side" kicks for goal

[Jumping Jack Clennett 1,825]

In the Geelong /Adelaide game, the Cats had 2 chances to kick the winning goal from set shots in the last minute.

When I saw Jimmy Bartel take a mark 15 m out on just worse than 45 degrees on his right foot, I thought...."game over". Then.....I saw him lining it up side on holding the ball to one side. I thought..."oh no, he'll miss this". Sure did...not even close. He's a a very reliable set shot with an orthodox kick, and should have done that.

THEN....Skipper, Harry Taylor had another set shot, 15 m out on his left foot, with no time to go . Did he learn from Jimmy? No, he tried the check side banana and missed by 3 metres. He'd have gone a lot closer with a routine drop punt.

If the angle is VERY tight(on the boundary), yes, you have to do a kick with a lot of bend in it. But these two potential match winning attempts were from angles not much more than 45 degrees.

It cost the match.

[monoccular 17,761]

Maybe a case of being "just a bit too clever", like the dribbled kicks one sometimes sees when a player is running into an open goal.

[Pates 9,697]

It's the Steve Johnson influence IMO, he does these sort of set shots all the time. The Bartel shot was tight, but the Harry Taylor one was ridiculous, he's meant to be a good set shot so why wouldn't he do a drop punt?

[daisycutter 30,022]

  On 23/07/2013 at 00:58, Pates said:

It's the Steve Johnson influence IMO, he does these sort of set shots all the time. The Bartel shot was tight, but the Harry Taylor one was ridiculous, he's meant to be a good set shot so why wouldn't he do a drop punt?

or even an old fashioned flat punt........was good enough for peter hudson and many others

n.b. for the gen-xy-ers, a flat punt is not a torpedo

[jazza 1,323]

the side angle way of kicking was generated by the rugby kickers who have an average of 90%

their way of kicking translates to accuracy and afl players have taken this on board

if you DONT believe go to your local park and have a go at kicking the ball 30 metres with a NORMAL action and the SIDE action, think the result will surprise.

when you kick this way its amazing how strait the ball goes

[CHAMP 347]

It amounts to what used to be called "bunging on side". Show Pony stuff really and costly.

[Satyriconhome 10,880]

  On 23/07/2013 at 01:20, daisycutter said:

or even an old fashioned flat punt........was good enough for peter hudson and many others

n.b. for the gen-xy-ers, a flat punt is not a torpedo

And I thought a flat punt was a small river craft with a speech impediment

[CHAMP 347]

  On 23/07/2013 at 01:26, jazza said:

the side angle way of kicking was generated by the rugby kickers who have an average of 90%

their way of kicking translates to accuracy and afl players have taken this on board

if you DONT believe go to your local park and have a go at kicking the ball 30 metres with a NORMAL action and the SIDE action, think the result will surprise.

when you kick this way its amazing how strait the ball goes

You're referring to a ball on a tee. There's a lot more error involved in dropping a ball across the foot.

[daisycutter 30,022]

  On 23/07/2013 at 01:26, jazza said:

the side angle way of kicking was generated by the rugby kickers who have an average of 90%

their way of kicking translates to accuracy and afl players have taken this on board

if you DONT believe go to your local park and have a go at kicking the ball 30 metres with a NORMAL action and the SIDE action, think the result will surprise.

when you kick this way its amazing how strait the ball goes

the place kick is an entirely different thing and irrelevant in our game

it also has no relevance to the banana kick (checkside kick)

[jazza 1,323]

  On 23/07/2013 at 01:29, daisycutter said:

the place kick is an entirely different thing and irrelevant in our game

it also has no relevance to the banana kick (checkside kick)

was talking about the kick across the body, I know what a banana kick and checkside is

whats interesting is players are still experimenting with these kicks atm

before criticism go to the park and TRY. we did at our local club and were amazed by the accuracy

[daisycutter 30,022]

  On 23/07/2013 at 01:34, jazza said:

was talking about the kick across the body, I know what a banana kick and checkside is

whats interesting is players are still experimenting with these kicks atm

before criticism go to the park and TRY. we did at our local club and were amazed by the accuracy

kicking across the body is fine when your natural kicking foot is on the fat side

banana kick is best utilised when natural kicking foot is on the skinny side and the angle is severe

if i remember correctly bartel was on the skinny side hence he tried a banana kick instead of a straight kick

as he is a good straight kick he probably should have used this option as the angle was not so severe

I can't remember whether harry was fat or skinny side, but presume skinny if he used a banana

[jazza 1,323]

  On 23/07/2013 at 02:09, daisycutter said:

kicking across the body is fine when your natural kicking foot is on the fat side

banana kick is best utilised when natural kicking foot is on the skinny side and the angle is severe

if i remember correctly bartel was on the skinny side hence he tried a banana kick instead of a straight kick

as he is a good straight kick he probably should have used this option as the angle was not so severe

I can't remember whether harry was fat or skinny side, but presume skinny if he used a banana

just give it a try first

[mauriesy 7,445]

Bartel is naturally right-footed and Taylor is left-footed. Neither needed a banana, and both were kicking to their best side. They both just hooked the ball too much.

[Sir Why You Little 37,478]

Imagine "Captain Blood" Jack Dyer commentating those kicks!!

He would have run onto the ground swinging.

Drop Punts would have won them the game and silenced South Australia.

"And the winner isn't Geelong..."

[beelzebub 23,392]

  On 23/07/2013 at 01:29, daisycutter said:

the place kick is an entirely different thing and irrelevant in our game

it also has no relevance to the banana kick (checkside kick)

Funny in a sense if your a devotee of the games history

[beelzebub 23,392]

They fooled around and stuffed up..,

Id be lambasting them every which way and sunday if their coach.

its selfish, juvenile and unprofessional. It cost them a win. well done lads fidiots !!

[CHAMP 347]

  On 23/07/2013 at 02:45, belzebub59 said:

Funny in a sense if your a devotee of the games history

It's still relevant in terms of long-kicking records. Wouldn't it be nice to see a 100 yard goal kicked after the siren.

[DeeSpencer 26,694]

I think what the Geelong players hadn't considered were the wind which was very strong.

Obviously we know instinctively how wind influences drop punts but the players don't know so much about how the wind influences snaps.

And yes to the OP they were both snaps not checksides.

[45HG 1,559]

I think they should've kicked both of those goals regardless of the technique employed and too many AFL footballers are sub par from set shots.

As far as I'm aware, Kyle Cheney tried a drop punt from 5 out dead on front...

Poor execution is poor execution.

What I would be interested in finding out is whether or not HT knew how long was left. You'd hate to play on in that instance and have the siren go!

[beelzebub 23,392]

  On 23/07/2013 at 02:51, CHAMP said:

It's still relevant in terms of long-kicking records. Wouldn't it be nice to see a 100 yard goal kicked after the siren.

I know...just being 'silly'

[robbo24 66]

I think Jason Dunstall sums it up well.

[low flying Robbo 979]

They've probably practised time and time again at training with both and decided which option they thought was more reliable for them

[daisycutter 30,022]

  On 23/07/2013 at 02:21, jazza said:

just give it a try first

give what a try?

i've already said kicking across the body is fine when at an angle and on the fat side

  On 23/07/2013 at 02:56, the master said:

I think what the Geelong players hadn't considered were the wind which was very strong.

Obviously we know instinctively how wind influences drop punts but the players don't know so much about how the wind influences snaps.

And yes to the OP they were both snaps not checksides.

so they weren't checksides....... so much for radio commentators

[beelzebub 23,392]

  On 23/07/2013 at 03:16, low flying Robbo said:

They've probably practised time and time again at training with both and decided which option they thought was more reliable for them

Im with jason. ( fn hilarious btw ) its a stupid and low percentage option. lairising at practice seems way cool, but gameday is always different.

[CHAMP 347]

  On 23/07/2013 at 03:06, belzebub59 said:

I know...just being 'silly'

I was being serious. Clearly a properly executed place kick has a significant distance advantage over any other kick.

Fred Fanning's kick in seconds final aside.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_holds_record_for_longest_kick_in_football