WELCOME TO DEMONLAND - PAUL ROOS

[cowboy_from_hell 2,390]

All I see is Roos in the media coming up with new answers that will not categorically rule him in or out of the job. This sounds a lot like Hird when he was on the couch and Scully,Ablett and Buddy now.

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

Shed some light?

The senior player confirmed the rumours that Bomber was mucking around with a popular team mate's girlfriend and was regularly indulging with stuff that you couldn't buy over the bar at the Geelong Ex-Servicemen's Club. Behaviour that didn't exactly win over the sheds.

Said that the senior players got sick of it, because he applied different standards and rules for himself to the player group. He also stated that, even though Bomber built the list, its senior leaders were (at that time) so good that they could virtually win big games despite the coach - and that, in his last year at the club, Bomber's influence was becoming more of a negative than a positive.

He observed that Scott was a top selection as coach, although this was perhaps a bit predictable/convenient given they had won the flag only a few weeks earlier.

I formed the view that they seemed to think Bomber was an extremely experienced/capable coach, but fundamentally a bit of a loose cannon by the end of his time at Geelong, although not in a wholly entertaining/positive way.

If we miss out on Roos - which IMO seems likely, despite some here reading between the lines and thinking a "no" actually means a "yes" - my vote goes strongly for Mark Williams.

I will be disappointed with anyone else given that Choco is ready to go, and passionately so. I reckon the players and supporters alike would absolutely love the personality infusion that he'd inject into this tired old club.

[Bring Back Barassi 552]

Choco all the way. Just the kind of character that the club is screaming out for.

[timD 994]

I'm intrigued, Tim. Would your view on Roos have been different had he publicly accepted already?

See, I think it could all still be smoke and mirrors. We've really no idea what's going on behind the scenes here. For argument's sake, Roos may well have accepted as soon as Jackson approached him. Jackson may not be keen on having a dead chook sitting in the coaches chair for the next 10 weeks and so has decided to hold off on declaring Roos coach until after the new board and president are officially unveiled.

I'm putting this out there because I too have a slight reservation about Roos' commitment. It may well have been put to rest had he come out straight away and said I'll take the job. Ultimately though, we can't possibly know his inner workings at this stage.

Hi Adam - sorry I missed your reply.

My opinion would change based on observed behaviour - I'd hope that relevant information would influence every decision I make!

As for Roos, I'd be less concerned, but not happy.

After all the eff ups we've made, I need to see a hall of lot to believe.

I've said my piece about Roos. From afar, I think he is a 'bloods' man and he has no drive for us. That is ok - if the Dees dropped out of the competition I would not follow AFL. I get it.

I guess we'll see how it plays out...

Have I said that I hate this?

[timD 994]

lol

Interesting analogy.

I have made a similar point and I agree with what you say but the enviroment of hiring a new coach has changed - we cannot interview anyone contracted elsewhere until their season has finished.

This really gives Jackson the leg-room to delay until the end of the season and that means that Roos has time to make a decision.

Maybe he just realises that? And that is why he isn't considering it at the moment?

It's all supposition...but I agree with you and Craig; passion is pre-requisite for a coach.

I don't want to be Blight-ed.

Especially if it involves Grant Thomas taking over as caretaker, being involved in the process for his successor and effectively selecting himself...

But our thomas is neil craig and I'm willing to be that there is a fair character difference in there...

Maybe Jackson is giving leg room. He has to Craig. Craig has the anger, energy and good history of performance. Does he have the EQ? Does he have the footy cred to win the players?

He has been with them for the last 18 months.

The more time goes, the more Craig could find that his determination and 'want' are matched by a clarity of purpose - which to this point he can not have had as he was Neeld's support. I reckon Neil burns for a chance to do it again - to prove a few blokes wrong and to climb the mountain. He loves footy, is a footy person and is at the base of the biggest mountain in AFL. I reckon the size of the challenge and the chance to tell everything (time, fate, the media) to [censored] off and watch this resurrection will seduce him.

My bet is that he will coach us next year because he'll know he wants it and the players will fall for the harness + care that he brings.

[Barney Rubble 1,576]

If I were as confident as the majority posting here.

I would put my money on ROOS at $7.00

The Bookmakers have him at 4th in line, behind Williams, Eade & Craig.

I couldn't see them framing a market in effectively what is a 4 horse race, and having ROOS the outsider, they have done their homework which is their method of due diligence

and have come up their judgement that he has no chance.

PS Bookmakers make judgements without emotion

Edited June 25, 2013 by Chippy

[beelzebub 23,376]

Keep in mind also Bookmakers also frame a market upon whos wagering what. There arent a lot prepared to put money on Roos

[rpfc 28,433]

But our thomas is neil craig and I'm willing to be that there is a fair character difference in there...

Maybe Jackson is giving leg room. He has to Craig. Craig has the anger, energy and good history of performance. Does he have the EQ? Does he have the footy cred to win the players?

He has been with them for the last 18 months.

The more time goes, the more Craig could find that his determination and 'want' are matched by a clarity of purpose - which to this point he can not have had as he was Neeld's support. I reckon Neil burns for a chance to do it again - to prove a few blokes wrong and to climb the mountain. He loves footy, is a footy person and is at the base of the biggest mountain in AFL. I reckon the size of the challenge and the chance to tell everything (time, fate, the media) to [censored] and watch this resurrection will seduce him.

My bet is that he will coach us next year because he'll know he wants it and the players will fall for the harness + care that he brings.

You bring a strong argument, Tim.

I do wonder what light Craig would be seen in if he wasn't at the Dees right now. I think he would be seen on a par with Eade and possibly Williams.

I hope the players respond in these last 9 games, his fate is tied to that - no matter how unfair that is.

But it does give Jackson an incrediable insight into how he would be a Head Coach.

Frankly, my mood is always hopeful but I am very glad that I can say that we will be coached next year by either Paul Roos, Mark Williams, Rodney Eade, or Neil Craig.

[dpositive 1,665]

I hadnt given it any thought until read here but

Cameron Ling might be a wise long term consideration

Has premiership credibility Has been part of a culture rebuild and was influential in maintaining that culture has been an interesting commentator with a broad and developing view on different techniques through his current exposure

seems to still have the fire and has a passion for the game

If he could work with someone like Craig or Roos as the senior mentor even for a short time while he develops his own style it could be fantastic

I would even probably prefer Roos in that role as Craig may be tainted with Neeld connection where Roos comes in clean with his record for developing and leaving a strong culture

It would obviously be critical how the two get on

But well worth exploring and I do not have any personal criticism of Craig

It may also be worth long discussion with Frawley who it was reported has now seen 6 coaches in 7 years

I would definitely sound him out about options

I would also be having informal and formal discussions with players as stakeholders and keeping them in the loop as to what will be forming the decision

We have time to get this right

[Barney Rubble 1,576]

Keep in mind also Bookmakers also frame a market upon whos wagering what. There arent a lot prepared to put money on Roos

Totally agree! He has no chance based on the market framing and the money wagered.

Not even at the very lucrative odds of $7 is there any money for him.

[Deespicable 2,726]

Is it possible that the club (with AFL backing and out of a sense of trying to save the day) has managed to get Paul Roos to agree to oversee the program for a two-year period and that Cameron Ling has been secured on the basis that he will do a two-year apprenticeship similar to Bucks before taking on the main role?

[Grand New Flag 3,227]

Totally agree! He has no chance based on the market framing and the money wagered.

Not even at the very lucrative odds of $7 is there any money for him.

I put money on Roos, the maximum bet was $20!!!!!!!!

This is not a real market, it is simply publicity for the betting agencies. I usually watch the bookmakers, but in this instance, not being a genuine market, it means absolutely nothing.

[binman 42,972]

I put money on Roos, the maximum bet was $20!!!!!!!!

This is not a real market, it is simply publicity for the betting agencies. I usually watch the bookmakers, but in this instance, not being a genuine market, it means absolutely nothing.

Was just about to say exactly the same thing. Nice little promotion for the bookies. Not in any way a real market. I also backed him and could only get 20 on with one bookie and 8 tops with another!

[jazza 1,323]

I put money on Roos, the maximum bet was $20!!!!!!!!

This is not a real market, it is simply publicity for the betting agencies. I usually watch the bookmakers, but in this instance, not being a genuine market, it means absolutely nothing.

had a little bookie rage myself a few years ago

whilst I understand they have to make money, I had insider info that

MN would get the crows job, so realising he wasn't on the 15/1 line I jumped with 500.00 clams at least at 15/1 or better

they wouldn't take the bet under any circumstances

glad I saved my money . but disappointed they frame markets for advertising and not real betting

[binman 42,972]

Here's my uneducated guess as to how things will play out.

Roos in discussions with the club at the moment. Keen to take it on. No need to announce for a couple of months Wants to extract as much as possible from the AFL in terms of support and draft concessions.

Mid August club announce Roos ha been appointed head coach and will come in at seasons end to oversee draft etc fro next season. In the mean time will meet with Craig and discuss how he would like the boys to play.

Craig will be announced as Football Manager, perfect for the role, has the team onside already (in the same way Balme does at Geelong) and will work hand in glove with Roos and PJ. A smooth transition takes place at seasons end.

After Roos is appointed he announces his assistants. Cameron Ling is one. Leigh Brown stays as does Rawlings. Royal goes and is replaced by Jnr, which goes a long way to healing some wounds.

[Tricky 341]

Here's my uneducated guess as to how things will play out.

Roos in discussions with the club at the moment. Keen to take it on. No need to announce for a couple of months Wants to extract as much as possible from the AFL in terms of support and draft concessions.

Mid August club announce Roos ha been appointed head coach and will come in at seasons end to oversee draft etc fro next season. In the mean time will meet with Craig and discuss how he would like the boys to play.

Craig will be announced as Football Manager, perfect for the role, has the team onside already (in the same way Balme does at Geelong) and will work hand in glove with Roos and PJ. A smooth transition takes place at seasons end.

After Roos is appointed he announces his assistants. Cameron Ling is one. Leigh Brown stays as does Rawlings. Royal goes and is replaced by Jnr, which goes a long way to healing some wounds.

No one could accuse you of being a pessimist binman.

[Wormburner 674]

Here's my uneducated guess as to how things will play out.

Roos in discussions with the club at the moment. Keen to take it on. No need to announce for a couple of months Wants to extract as much as possible from the AFL in terms of support and draft concessions.

Mid August club announce Roos ha been appointed head coach and will come in at seasons end to oversee draft etc fro next season. In the mean time will meet with Craig and discuss how he would like the boys to play.

Craig will be announced as Football Manager, perfect for the role, has the team onside already (in the same way Balme does at Geelong) and will work hand in glove with Roos and PJ. A smooth transition takes place at seasons end.

After Roos is appointed he announces his assistants. Cameron Ling is one. Leigh Brown stays as does Rawlings. Royal goes and is replaced by Jnr, which goes a long way to healing some wounds.

I thought along very similar lines Binman, however Craig has all but ruled himself out of the GM position.

It would be an awesome outcome if it did eventuate though, we can only wish!

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

Totally agree! He has no chance based on the market framing and the money wagered.

Not even at the very lucrative odds of $7 is there any money for him.

I want to slap your maths teacher. How does that market say 'no chance' for Roos?

Mark Williams 3.25

Rodney Eade 4.25

Paul Roos 6.00

translated to percentages that's:

Williams 31%

Eade 24%

Roos 17%

someone else - 28%

[binman 42,972]

No one could accuse you of being a pessimist binman.

No that's true. This is great actually its like we get a bonus pre season where i can get carried away with dreams. Oh oh the Pollyanna syndrome.

Imagine though if it does pan out the way i've described, i'll find it very hard to contain my optimism in the 2014 pre season!

[Barney Rubble 1,576]

I want to slap your maths teacher. How does that market say 'no chance' for Roos?

Mark Williams 3.25

Rodney Eade 4.25

Paul Roos 6.00

translated to percentages that's:

Williams 31%

Eade 24%

Roos 17%

someone else - 28%

Your percentage thing doesn't work.

There are another 15 coaches with odds of between $7.00 & $51.00

You also forgot to include Craig at $5.00

[beelzebub 23,376]

Here's my uneducated guess as to how things will play out.

Roos in discussions with the club at the moment. Keen to take it on. No need to announce for a couple of months Wants to extract as much as possible from the AFL in terms of support and draft concessions.

Mid August club announce Roos ha been appointed head coach and will come in at seasons end to oversee draft etc fro next season. In the mean time will meet with Craig and discuss how he would like the boys to play.

Craig will be announced as Football Manager, perfect for the role, has the team onside already (in the same way Balme does at Geelong) and will work hand in glove with Roos and PJ. A smooth transition takes place at seasons end.

After Roos is appointed he announces his assistants. Cameron Ling is one. Leigh Brown stays as does Rawlings. Royal goes and is replaced by Jnr, which goes a long way to healing some wounds.

would be a win all around.

Time will tell

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

Your percentage thing doesn't work.

There are another 15 coaches with odds of between $7.00 & $51.00

You also forgot to include Craig at $5.00

yes it does Buddy, not to exactly 100%, but if you are at 51.00 that means less than 2%.. add those 15 coaches up it is around 28%

and check it again Craig is at 10.00

Edited June 25, 2013 by Curry & Beer

[DemonOX 8,791]

Here's my uneducated guess as to how things will play out.

Roos in discussions with the club at the moment. Keen to take it on. No need to announce for a couple of months Wants to extract as much as possible from the AFL in terms of support and draft concessions.

Mid August club announce Roos ha been appointed head coach and will come in at seasons end to oversee draft etc fro next season. In the mean time will meet with Craig and discuss how he would like the boys to play.

Craig will be announced as Football Manager, perfect for the role, has the team onside already (in the same way Balme does at Geelong) and will work hand in glove with Roos and PJ. A smooth transition takes place at seasons end.

After Roos is appointed he announces his assistants. Cameron Ling is one. Leigh Brown stays as does Rawlings. Royal goes and is replaced by Jnr, which goes a long way to healing some wounds.

U should be the Promotions manager at the Dees binman.

[jazza 1,323]

I want to slap your maths teacher. How does that market say 'no chance' for Roos?

Mark Williams 3.25

Rodney Eade 4.25

Paul Roos 6.00

translated to percentages that's:

Williams 31%

Eade 24%

Roos 17%

school teachers aaaahhhh

all banned at dees so don't even think about the coaches job application

someone else - 28%

[MadAsHell 4,212]

Here's my uneducated guess as to how things will play out.

Roos in discussions with the club at the moment. Keen to take it on. No need to announce for a couple of months Wants to extract as much as possible from the AFL in terms of support and draft concessions.

Mid August club announce Roos ha been appointed head coach and will come in at seasons end to oversee draft etc fro next season. In the mean time will meet with Craig and discuss how he would like the boys to play.

Craig will be announced as Football Manager, perfect for the role, has the team onside already (in the same way Balme does at Geelong) and will work hand in glove with Roos and PJ. A smooth transition takes place at seasons end.

After Roos is appointed he announces his assistants. Cameron Ling is one. Leigh Brown stays as does Rawlings. Royal goes and is replaced by Jnr, which goes a long way to healing some wounds.

I like your optimism Binman.

My optimist side is telling me we'll have a string of Monday morning press conferences from 2 weeks out from the end of the season to announce our arrivals to help build some momentum into the new season

Monday August 19 heading into Round 22 a press conference to announce the new Head of Football is Matthew Drain. A big thankyou to Josh Mahoney who is no longer required.

Monday August 26 heading into our final game a press conference is called to announce Paul Roos as our new Senior Coach effective as of the end of the season. A big thanks to Neil Craig who will step into the role of development coach for our 1st & 2nd year players while Todd Viney becomes our specialist opposition analyst and Dave Misson will stay on in his role. Assistant coaching changes and board movements to be made in coming weeks, but yes Paul does know what they will be.

Monday September 2, Cameron Ling has signed on as the new midfield coach with Brian Royal making way.

Monday September 9, Shane Woewodin is returning to Melbourne as our new backline coach. Jade Rawlings moved on.

Monday September 16 (After the election) our new board is announced in a partial handover:

President: Alan Stockdale

Vice President: Chris Kelaher

Other Members: Don Argus

Geoff Freeman, Greg Healy

Peter Spargo, Greg Wells

First Monday After Sydney have been knocked out of Finals (23rd or 30th), Leigh Tudor comes in as new forward line coach and Leigh Brown is thanked for his time.