From quarter time. He misses tackles and his disposal is mostly deplorable. And my god Blease is soft and his disposal is overrated.

Blease had a shocker today. Looks down on confidence even at VFL level.

Thought Joel was ok given it was his first game back from injury.

Tigerland just went down at Flemington....omen perhaps?....just sayin.

Blease had a shocker today. Looks down on confidence even at VFL level.

Thought Joel was ok given it was his first game back from injury.

Blease had a shocker so based on Neeld logic he should be first picked to play Freo next week?

Blease had a shocker so based on Neeld logic he should be first picked to play Freo next week?

You can still be the best MFC player while having a shocker at Casey these days...

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2013-05-18/competitiveness-the-aim

Ripping to know that we plan to be as competitive for "as long as we can". That the objective - hell, I was a bit apprehensive about tomorrow but now I can go with a full understanding of what the coach thinks we can achieve.

When was the last time the word "win" was used at our footy club.

Should be a great game. Glad Deledio is the captain of my dreamtean.

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2013-05-18/competitiveness-the-aim

Ripping to know that we plan to be as competitive for "as long as we can". That the objective - hell, I was a bit apprehensive about tomorrow but now I can go with a full understanding of what the coach thinks we can achieve.

When was the last time the word "win" was used at our footy club.

Should be a great game. Glad Deledio is the captain of my dreamtean.

It's terrible 31,727 paid members at the club and the coach can't even set out to win games

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2013-05-18/competitiveness-the-aim

Ripping to know that we plan to be as competitive for "as long as we can". That the objective - hell, I was a bit apprehensive about tomorrow but now I can go with a full understanding of what the coach thinks we can achieve.

When was the last time the word "win" was used at our footy club.

Should be a great game. Glad Deledio is the captain of my dreamtean.

Do you genuinely believe Neeld isn't thinking about winning? Do you genuinely believe we are literally only planning to be competitive?

Saying we plan on being competitive is not mutually exclusive with thinking we're trying to win.

Can we please just be fair and accept that what Neeld is trying to do is attempt to avoid mockery by saying 'we can win' despite our form indicating otherwise. I don't particularly agree with our continual falling back on our inexperience, and I don't particularly like Neeld continually saying 'it's a rebuild of a rebuild of a rebuild'. But I'm not that stupid to read his comments there as saying we're not trying to win at all.

It pains me to say that I really don't care about the result of this game. Even if we were to pull of the impossible and get a win it would not fix anything - we would still lose next weeks game and the week after etc etc.

I just don't know what to look forward to anymore - it can't be game day, not the draft (sick of waiting for development), free agency?, end of the year?, new coach?

What do we have to look forward to now?

Feels like we are chasing rainbows only theres no gold at the end.

It pains me to say that I really don't care about the result of this game. Even if we were to pull of the impossible and get a win it would not fix anything - we would still lose next weeks game and the week after etc etc.

I just don't know what to look forward to anymore - it can't be game day, not the draft (sick of waiting for development), free agency?, end of the year?, new coach?

What do we have to look forward to now?

Feels like we are chasing rainbows only theres no gold at the end.

That's what long journeys always feel like. Hoping for a win tomorrow would be good, but I think at this stage we just need to look out for signs of improvement in individuals. What else can we do?

Round of Upsets, draws, narrow losses and strange umpiring?? Come on Dees your up next.

Viney, Terlich, M. Jones, Frawley, Tapscott, Gawn, Dawes, Howe, Evans, Dunn and McKenzie were all better than Sellar last week.

That's 11 names.

Tapscott and Dawes had 7 and 9 touches respectively and were well beaten granted with limited opportunity. Dunn and McKenzie did nothing but help Ablett to 38 touches. Sellar under great pressure beat his immediate opponent. That is one seriously biased view you have.

Anyone wondering why Toumpas has come back in needs to watch today's Casey game and ask if there were any better options.

Tapscott and Dawes had 7 and 9 touches respectively and were well beaten granted with limited opportunity. Dunn and McKenzie did nothing but help Ablett to 38 touches. Sellar under great pressure beat his immediate opponent. That is one seriously biased view you have.

Ablett didn't rip us a new one despite his millions of touches, so you've got to credit Dunn and McKenzie for that. In addition, McKenzie kept Harbrow almost possessionless when he played on him.

Dawes and Tapscott provided a lot of defensive pressure, with Dawes involved in four of our goals. McKenzie was involved in two of our goals, and Dunn often provided the punch over the point line that stopped a mark from being taken on the goal-line. His timely fists allowed us to rebound from defense, and would certainly have resulted in a number of scoring opportunities if the players up the ground had kicked the ball better.

Dawes led well all day, and although he wasn't rewarded very often he still involved himself in almost half our score.

Tapscott manned his mark very well and forced his opponent to kick to 50/50 or worse contests time after time. He also layed a number of tackles and caused four or five turnovers on the day. There was a passage of play in (I think) the third quarter where he made about four efforts on his own to win the ball off two Suns opponents with no-one else anywhere near him. He deserves to be recognised for that effort alone, and it most certainly was not his only one of that kind last week.

Sellar came 12th in my rankings, though it was so close that you'd be welcome to put him higher than Dunn and McKenzie if you'd like. There are 22 players in a team. That's plenty of room to be out of the Bests and still not be anywhere near the Worsts.

Don't call me biased, because that's one thing I'm not.

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2013-05-18/competitiveness-the-aim

Ripping to know that we plan to be as competitive for "as long as we can". That the objective - hell, I was a bit apprehensive about tomorrow but now I can go with a full understanding of what the coach thinks we can achieve.

When was the last time the word "win" was used at our footy club.

Should be a great game. Glad Deledio is the captain of my dreamtean.

Absolutely [censored] weak. God I hope he gets moved on quickly. His pre-game excuses are beyond the point of embarrassing. The man would struggle to motivate Tony Robbins to get out of bed.

The man's biggest sin seems to be that he's telling the truth in an industry whose first language is the telling of lies.

Shame on him for not telling the punters that we're going to flog the Tigers today.

Chris Newman out, can't hurt.

(It's still the match preview thread, right?)

The man's biggest sin seems to be that he's telling the truth in an industry whose first language is the telling of lies.

Shame on him for not telling the punters that we're going to [censored] the Tigers today.

Jack, the problem is that it is the same defeatist attitude both Daniher and Bailey had. His job isn't to predict what will happen one way or the other. His aim is to win, that is all he should be saying.

Can we please just be fair and accept that what Neeld is trying to do is attempt to avoid mockery by saying 'we can win' despite our form indicating otherwise. I don't particularly agree with our continual falling back on our inexperience, and I don't particularly like Neeld continually saying 'it's a rebuild of a rebuild of a rebuild'. But I'm not that stupid to read his comments there as saying we're not trying to win at all.

All Neeld should be saying is we are trying to win. Being competitive is a non-negotiable, it should be expected of every player in every game, not an aim.

It feels as though Neeld has just continued from where Bailey left off with all this "competitive" talk. Mind boggling to say the least.

Funny but I haven't heard Sheedy use the W word lately and yet everybody heaps praise on them even after an 83 point thrashing.

Neeld has been consistent throughout with his message about his inexperienced team.

The public pressure on him will bring about his downfall before he sees out the time to get his job done but good luck to the next guy because he'll need to be a genius to survive under the microscope of some until the younger brigade get the games under the legs that are necessary to win against the top sides.

Funny but I haven't heard Sheedy use the W word lately and yet everybody heaps praise on them even after an 83 point thrashing.

Neeld has been consistent throughout with his message about his inexperienced team.

The problem is he is using it as an excuse, he shouldn't be making excuses.

Ablett didn't rip us a new one despite his millions of touches, so you've got to credit Dunn and McKenzie for that. In addition, McKenzie kept Harbrow almost possessionless when he played on him.

Dawes and Tapscott provided a lot of defensive pressure, with Dawes involved in four of our goals. McKenzie was involved in two of our goals, and Dunn often provided the punch over the point line that stopped a mark from being taken on the goal-line. His timely fists allowed us to rebound from defense, and would certainly have resulted in a number of scoring opportunities if the players up the ground had kicked the ball better.

Dawes led well all day, and although he wasn't rewarded very often he still involved himself in almost half our score.

Tapscott manned his mark very well and forced his opponent to kick to 50/50 or worse contests time after time. He also layed a number of tackles and caused four or five turnovers on the day. There was a passage of play in (I think) the third quarter where he made about four efforts on his own to win the ball off two Suns opponents with no-one else anywhere near him. He deserves to be recognised for that effort alone, and it most certainly was not his only one of that kind last week.

Don't call me biased, because that's one thing I'm not.

Sellar played on their main forward target who despite lack of midfield pressure had 3 marks and 2 goals. To me that is someone who clearly won his immediate battle.

Regardless of how effective they were you cannot possibly call Ablett having 38 touches a win for Dunn and McKenzie (granted good on Harbrow early).

Tapscott you are saying was good based on statistically one effective tackle, he "manned the mark well" and one passage of play.

Lets carry this over to todays game and hopefully we are both debating how good the effort was by all rather than nit picking mediocre performances.

Can we please just be fair and accept that what Neeld is trying to do is attempt to avoid mockery by saying 'we can win' despite our form indicating otherwise. I don't particularly agree with our continual falling back on our inexperience, and I don't particularly like Neeld continually saying 'it's a rebuild of a rebuild of a rebuild'. But I'm not that stupid to read his comments there as saying we're not trying to win at all.

So it's fine to get flogged if before the game you state that this would happen?

The man's biggest sin seems to be that he's telling the truth in an industry whose first language is the telling of lies.

Shame on him for not telling the punters that we're going to [censored] the Tigers today.

Well said Jack.

Its a pity he did not see fit to tell the truth to members and supporters at the start of the year.

Its amazing how useful the "truth" can be when you want it.

Well said Jack.

Its a pity he did not see fit to tell the truth to members and supporters at the start of the year.

Its amazing how useful the "truth" can be when you want it.

More worryingly, I think he believed everything he said over the pre-season. I don't think he lied to us, he just didn't recognise what was going on, which is probably worse.

More worryingly, I think he believed everything he said over the pre-season. I don't think he lied to us, he just didn't recognise what was going on, which is probably worse.

Even the almighty Ben-Hur/Hannabal thought we would be better this year after watching training and he's never wrong...