I hope we show some courage and stick this out. Changing coaches every couple of years is ridiculous.

Spot on mate..

Anyone who hasn't worked out this is going to be a [censored] year needs to have a good hard look............ Changing coaches every 2 years is not the answer.....

Very happy with the first half on Saturday (Clearly lots of development still needed). THe second half fade out is unacceptable........ but you can't blame the Coach for that sudden drop of intensity suely?

What about looking at Pagan if u want to change coaches

I hope we show some courage and stick this out. Changing coaches every couple of years is ridiculous.

I understand that sentiment, but I disagree.

Most novice coaches that are any good at least have the players improving by their second year, or they make an immediate impact in their first. Terry Wallace took a side that had won 5 to 14 in his first. Neale Daniher took a wooden spoon team that won 4 to the finals and 14 in his first. Sanderson had stellar first year at Adelaide - 7 to 17. And there are plenty more examples of coaches having a positive impact on a group in either their first, or second years.

I've never seen a playing group less responsive to a rookie coach and I know from plenty of other examples that it's not a healthy situation. What is going on is not normal. It's very far from normal. There are real issues at this football club.

We are paying Neeld for the year, might as well see what he has got to offer, maybe sneak a few phone calls in to possible coaches if things don't improve

This is nonsense talk about changing coaches. Also stupid is all the ranting about Neeld's rat(censored) recruiting.

He was quite clear that Rodan and Byrnes were brought in for the professionalism they could bring to training.

That's right, training. They could show the kids the standards you need to achieve to be competitive. And they'll play a few games into the bargain. That's it. They aren't supposed to be match winners.

We'll have a better idea of Neeld's thinking when Dawes is out there, Dunny is back and the ruck situation is sorted - probably means when Spencer or Gawn is promoted.

Right now we have to stay staunch.

I understand that sentiment, but I disagree.

Most novice coaches that are any good at least have the players improving by their second year, or they make an immediate impact in their first. Terry Wallace took a side that had won 5 to 14 in his first. Neale Daniher took a wooden spoon team that won 4 to the finals and 14 in his first. Sanderson had stellar first year at Adelaide - 7 to 17. And there are plenty more examples of coaches having a positive impact on a group in either their first, or second years.

I've never seen a playing group less responsive to a rookie coach and I know from plenty of other examples that it's not a healthy situation. What is going on is not normal. It's very far from normal. There are real issues at this football club.

I would argue that none of those teams were as void of embedded senior players as we are. Where are the 7-10 year Demons who just pull a club together. Clubs do rebuild but I doubt there are many, if any examples of teams that have been so completely stripped of those types, so quickly.

I understand that sentiment, but I disagree.

Most novice coaches that are any good at least have the players improving by their second year, or they make an immediate impact in their first. Terry Wallace took a side that had won 5 to 14 in his first. Neale Daniher took a wooden spoon team that won 4 to the finals and 14 in his first. Sanderson had stellar first year at Adelaide - 7 to 17. And there are plenty more examples of coaches having a positive impact on a group in either their first, or second years.

I've never seen a playing group less responsive to a rookie coach and I know from plenty of other examples that it's not a healthy situation. What is going on is not normal. It's very far from normal. There are real issues at this football club.

Daniher's side had been under performing under a lazy bum whom some on this site want to bring back to the club FCS.

If was unacceptable several years ago. At what point does this become total disillusion?

There's a lot of talk of premiership coaches but the reality is that they are premiership coaches, partly because they choose clubs wisely. Had Malthouse stayed at the Bulldogs we'd be talking about him in the same vein as all the other 'failed' coaches. That's not a shot at Malthouse, he clearly knows what he's doing but coaches don't win premierships alone, nor do players. Everything has to be right. We are cleaning up a mess here that is far greater than anything Neeld has or hasn't done.

I would argue that none of those teams were as void of embedded senior players as we are. Where are the 7-10 year Demons who just pull a club together. Clubs do rebuild but I doubt there are many, if any examples of teams that have been so completely stripped of those types, so quickly.

Our percentage is less than GWS' at the corresponding stage last year. It's incredible.

Do you think anyone could have possibly had the team in a worse state ? If they tried ?

I would argue that none of those teams were as void of embedded senior players as we are. Where are the 7-10 year Demons who just pull a club together. Clubs do rebuild but I doubt there are many, if any examples of teams that have been so completely stripped of those types, so quickly.

And other than Jones who is improving under Neeld ?

I would argue that none of those teams were as void of embedded senior players as we are. Where are the 7-10 year Demons who just pull a club together. Clubs do rebuild but I doubt there are many, if any examples of teams that have been so completely stripped of those types, so quickly.

Hardly had any of significance for the past 10 years; Neitz certainly (but only on the field), junior to some extent. And probably only Lyon before that.

Point is we haven't had 7-10 yr players who can pull a club together.

This is probably the crunch issue all round. Desperately need Clark (and maybe Dawes) to fill this role. Grimes and Trengove may in time.

Not defending the recruiting decisions as ultimately they are judged on their on field performance, but one thing the mature recruits do is balance our list out in terms of age, meaning future list management might be a bit easier as we can move older guys on, give some of our kids more time to develop. Rather than a couple of years back where it seemed we were so chock full of 18-22 year olds, it is hard to justify delisting them when they haven't had long in the system..

...but maybe at the expense of talent.

Just watched Neeld's presser.

I think it becomes unacceptable when a 100 point loss is considered a "tremendous response".

You have to sometimes shake your head and wonder how the hell did we get HERE.

Welcome Al, are you sure you are on the right website/forum?

This post is far too sensible to be on here.

Thanks mate, was on here a couple of years ago but have been off for a while. Problems with email account so had to start fresh, was able to keep old user name though.

So Neelds recruiting has been a disaster, Mitch Clark, Jack Viney, Chris Dawes, Jesse Hogan ok the last two we havent seen but i pretty excited about our forward line next year with Clark, Dawes and Hogan. M Jones has been good and would sit in our top 3 in our b&f Terlich looks ok. The recycled players we gave up nothing, the only player that cost us a decent pick was Dawes. Our midfield needs addressing but you cant fix all our flaws with 2 drafts.

I really believe we will see a massive light in the back half if the year. We dont accept losing like we have today was different than the first two weeks, we played a much better team and for three quarters we went ok, we just relaxed for the third quarter and got smashed.

Comparing Mitch Clark and Chris Dawes is like comparing chalk and cheese.

I've been critical of recruiting Dawes - I only hope I'm wrong.

A Collingwood reject will not improve our list.

Think your wrong on Dawes. He will staighten us up and provide a target. Just tell every litte guy we have to run at full pass to his feet for a crumb and dish off.

Anyone you get rid of without giving them time to do what they're supposed to do is a scapegoat. If we're in this position in 12 months time, then sack Neeld and go after someone else. But to expect miracles after just one season is asking for too much.

I would expect some measure of improvement, but not being blasted back to the footballing stone age!!! UNACCEPTABLE!!! after years of empty promises!! Rebuild on rebuild on rebuild, its a FARCE

Look I love the club, but they are a joke and an embarrassment and it has been hopelessly managed from top to bottom for decades, lurching from crisis to crisis ad infinitum!!

Think your wrong on Dawes. He will staighten us up and provide a target. Just tell every litte guy we have to run at full pass to his feet for a crumb and dish off.

You have to get the ball in the centre to straighten up

If was unacceptable several years ago. At what point does this become total disillusion?

It already is Tony.

The problem is the stupid sheep that support this club giving strength to incompetent administration that pick or authorize the recruitment of sub-standard football department including untried rookie coaches.

The depth of stupidity at this club astounds me. It is not obvious, rather mild mental retardation.

Instead of fixing an obvious problem, like neeld, and previously prendergast and previously Cameron and currentl connolly and mclardy, we'd rather keep the status quo, in a delusional hope that things will eventually come good.

Well, they won't. If you ain't got it, you ain't got it. Just like miller who we persisted with for about 10 bloddy years and then put him in our leadership group as our final desperate hope. Fmd.

I wish I had the presence to grab this club by the throat and give it an almighty slap to the face and say,

WAKE UP. You have crippled us, yet you still hold power. What are you doing, hypnotizing the delusional supporters that follow you.

Are you out of your minds.

Bailey over sheedy.

Neeld over everyone else.

We are getting poleaxed. People laugh at us, now they give us sympathy. The afl treat us as a charity case and it is getting worse and worse. And people say, let's stay the course. Incredible.

Honestly, it feels like the crazy days when George w bush was continuing the world, then he got re-elected. At that point, I lost faith in people. It is the same with MFC members, I have lost faith. You are morons.

Looks like the intelligent few are going to have to take control of the situation. I'm 35, I wish I had the time and money, I think I am 10 years away. But for heavens sake, can someone with a bit of time and stature please stand up and rid us of the cancer that is the MFC elite.

Did you not see the last 3 weeks? Unprecedented in our history. It's a friggin joke!

Tona is understandably emotional, but fundamentally he is right - how much longer do we put up with the errors of judgement made by MFC? Other clubs would have acted much sooner and much more savagely, and with much more ultimate success!

Tona is understandably emotional, but fundamentally he is right - how much longer do we put up with the errors of judgement made by MFC? Other clubs would have acted much sooner and much more savagely, and with much more ultimate success!

Bingo. We seem to be fine with 'having patience' - how bloody well has this patience done us really? We're clearly at an action point. The media can smell the blood, and a loss next weekend will be their excuse to attack.

Why does it not strike people that we actually could have made that error and hired the wrong guy? It's really not unheard of - Primus, Drum and Peter Rohde are the most recent examples of bad coaches.

What will it take? 0-22? Is that how bad we have to be?

Tona is understandably emotional, but fundamentally he is right - how much longer do we put up with the errors of judgement made by MFC? Other clubs would have acted much sooner and much more savagely, and with much more ultimate success!

How do supporters accept this?

I just don't understand?

I'm starting to think our poor culture stems from our apathetic supporter base.

Our avg losing margin this year is over 100 points all at our home ground, with almost a full list and a so called fantastic preseason.

We must change the leadership of the club. No positions are safe. All members in a position of authority are not safe.

The question is, who or what are gonna remove these people from power.

If we lose to gws at home, mclardy and neeld should resign and the club should continue the healthy process of replacing the incompetent with the competent. It should start at the top. It should happen even if we beat gws. I've seen enough errors of judgement to last me a lifetime.

We need a new start. And it starts at the top.

Spot on Diesel. I, like many, am starting to wonder whether Neeld has the right plan (let alone players) to make us competitive. But who would replace him? Roos is too happy on FoxFooty money; Clarkson wont move unless the Hawks flop; and we Cannot (capital C intended) risk another rookie coach.

Agree with the last bit. Can anyone compile a list of senior coaches coming our of contract at season's end?

What about looking at Pagan if u want to change coaches

Doesn't strike me as being a fossil worth digging up.