Agree with that; we look a lot worse this year than last because we've loaded up the side with older players who have absolutely no upside.

Also agree, I came into this game thinking our team was definitely weaker than last year based on what I saw of the new guys over pre-season.

Sorry, try this one.

Interview with Watts

Thanks mate! Keen to see/hear this stuff....

I have one simple question for those responsible at the MFC, i.e Coach and underlings:

What the F have you been doing since the debacle of 2012 ??

They have been stuck under the boulder the board and adminstration created for them.

Geez that post game presser was depressing even more.

Neeld and Grimes have NO CLUE what happened or how to fix it.

Sure they seemed disappointed, but it was a passionless disappointment, almost a sense of resignation.

Make no mistake, we are going nowhere.

I've been writing on Demonland and Demonology since about 2005, but after today (I didn't even see all the game) I've had enough. I am so sick of riding the wave, I'll still watch and maybe attend a game or two but life is too short to waste on here hoping that things will come good.

This club has a history of putting in insipid performances each year - on average 3-5 per year. Regardless of who is coach and what playing group.

Its a cultural thing that has plagued our club for decades. We will come out next week and have a crack but we will fall back to our insipid ways again. Mark my words and count them during the year.

Changing culture is not easy and I thought Neeld was the man to do but now I doubt it.

Moneyball haha

I listened to the game on Triple M. Carey and Schwass didn't hold back and used words such as insipid, embarrassing, putrid.

It's clearly an attitude problem with too many players. You'd have someone like Jack Viney who would go back to the rooms and be hurting on the inside, then you have Mr "Losing doesn't bother me" Watts who's probably sitting there thinking about how many Pink Bacardi Breezers he'll sip through a straw tonight.

We are a bottom 4 side on talent but the effort today was as if we barely cared.

Thanks Sylvia Saint for making me cack myself through these hard and disgusting times lol

I owe so much beer for bets made on

finishing above some clubs this year and on winning a flag before the Tigs it is not funny!! Bugger

I have bets equating to about $100 with friends on our peformance this year. I will be paying them all out on Tuesday

I think it's time for Neeld to use Mick malthouse's love in technique.

Who wants to play to under a ruthless, overly methodical [censored]! If you love your coach you will play for him and given the fall out of Moloney, Riv etc I dont think Neeld's players are buying in.

Give the players some confidence to take the game on.

I've been writing on Demonland and Demonology since about 2005, but after today (I didn't even see all the game) I've had enough. I am so sick of riding the wave, I'll still watch and maybe attend a game or two but life is too short to waste on here hoping that things will come good.

Not to get sappy but I enjoy your posts and hope you stick around.

I owe so much beer for bets made on

finishing above some clubs this year and on winning a flag before the Tigs it is not funny!! Bugger

I have bets equating to about $100 with friends on our peformance this year. I will be paying them all out on Tuesday

I did.

must have missed your post mate, can you show us the 14-goal loss prediction please

I think it's time for Neeld to use Mick malthouse's love in technique.

Who wants to play to under a ruthless, overly methodical [censored]! If you love your coach you will play for him and given the fall out of Moloney, Riv etc I dont think Neeld's players are buying in.

Give the players some confidence to take the game on.

HAHAH and the EXACT OPPOSITE thing was said about Bailey ("these players don't need a good bloke they need a ruthless bastard")

you have to laugh or you'll friggin top yourself

I enjoyed watching jack watts interview post match. Although its scary that he seems so broken after round 1. If the boys don't find some confidence it's going to be a horror year

Jack Watts had 2 kicks.

That is absolutely deplorable he cannot play next week. He didn't even have an opponent!

We have been accepting mediocrity for as long as I can remember. We are still fostering it with Neeld starting to sprout the 'we have the 3rd least experienced group' line. Lack of competitiveness and insipid structures have little to do with the experience of the list. Out coached by a first game coach and most of the players were embarrassed by a first gamer showing more desire and passion than the lot...

A thousand times this. I don't want to hear any more about how we're at 85% fitness, have a young list, need to get the players up around 100-150 game mark etc etc. All this does is create excuses for insipid performances, there are no more excuses for not being a chance to win every single game we front up for. No we may not be a realistic chance to win the flag but we should be a realistic chance to win a GAME. Balls in your court Neeld, Craig, Schwab and McLardy.

I owe so much beer for bets made on

finishing above some clubs this year and on winning a flag before the Tigs it is not funny!! Bugger

I have bets equating to about $100 with friends on our peformance this year. I will be paying them all out on Tuesday

we currently could only aspire to being mediocre !!

currently we're pathetic !!

A thousand times this. I don't want to hear any more about how we're at 85% fitness, have a young list, need to get the players up around 100-150 game mark etc etc. All this does is create excuses for insipid performances, there are no more excuses for not being a chance to win every single game we front up for. No we may not be a realistic chance to win the flag but we should be a realistic chance to win a GAME. Balls in your court Neeld, Craig, Schwab and McLardy.

I don't get the 85% fit bit. What about new recruits, or players from other clubs. Are they all one/two years off the pace as well. It's part of the culture that says give up on winning games because we will win them in the future.

As a group we need to make the club aware of what is wrong and has been happening for some years.

1. We handball to another player who is standing next to an opponent. Indeed, we even handball directly to an opponent !

2. We kick long into a pack and hope someone will mark it - they too often don't.

3. We need desperation - perhaps we do the same as those poor horses in Ireland facing becoming dog food. Do or DIE !!!

4. We need people to lead out for the ball all over the ground!

5. We need shorter kicks which go to those leads.

6. Only kick long if someone is free or at most only has to beat his opponent.

Thats enough!

OK guys/ gals add somer more!!

Great post!

You have to blame the coach.

Look at Hinkley after only 3 months his team were hard at it and put tonnes of defensive pressure on.

Why cant we get to these basics?

This is surely base 1. Commitment, desire,full on in ya face defensive pressure.

We have a spineless coach and a team of pansies.

There is something seriously wrong at our club, Moloney and Rivers could see we are a lost cause, thats why they left.

Hard to play against????

Ha ha ha ha ha ha !

Feel so sorry for Jack Viney,Jack Grimes, Nath Jones,Jimmy Toumpas, Matt Jones and Mitch Clark, to have to play with below par losers like, Jamar,Dunn,Sellar,Garland,Frawley, Sylvia,Byrnes,Rodan,Nicholson,Tappscot etc etc etc..

I think it's time for Neeld to use Mick malthouse's love in technique.

Who wants to play to under a ruthless, overly methodical [censored]! If you love your coach you will play for him and given the fall out of Moloney, Riv etc I dont think Neeld's players are buying in.

Give the players some confidence to take the game on.

it was a big mistake hiring an inexperienced coach after the disater of 2011 and with the still unresolved bitter divisions in the club. Neelds approach has only set the divisions into concrete. There should have been a time for healing but considering who we have in charge it was not possible.

This is the worst demons team ever. I'm 54.

it was a big mistake hiring an inexperienced coach after the disater of 2011 and with the still unresolved bitter divisions in the club. Neelds approach has only set the divisions into concrete. There should have been a time for healing but who we have in charge it was not possible.

After today I'm paying much more attention to your posts MJ.